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 Posted:   Sep 13, 2012 - 7:33 PM   
 By:   Sigerson Holmes   (Member)

Let me guess: the Lincoln music was composed by an uncredited Johnny Williams, and we're all going to be blown away to find out that he reprises this material in the score to the new Spielberg movie! wink


That would be pretty bizarre.

--Almost as bizarre as seeing the words "Justin Boggan" on this message board again.

 
 Posted:   Sep 13, 2012 - 8:03 PM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

Let me clarify, as I see my original question wasn't clear: I meant, the two "unsung" composers -- did they contribute original scoring, or was it stock?

 
 Posted:   Sep 13, 2012 - 9:06 PM   
 By:   Lukas Kendall   (Member)

Jeff, I have another question nagging me for a while: the score for "Return to Tomorrow" by George Duning contains (apart from a few tracked cues) mainly new music by Duning (the more "romantic" themes for Sargon and Thalassa), but later in the episode, when Henoch begins his sinister acts, we clearly hear the "danger motif" from Steiner's scores from "Balance of Terror" and "Mirror, Mirror", interwoven with Dunings music. Did Duning USE Steiner's motif here, or was it some clever mixing by the musical editor, using the new Duning music and pre-existing Steiner cues?

Duning interpolated Steiner's theme

 
 Posted:   Sep 13, 2012 - 10:16 PM   
 By:   bdm   (Member)

...And it's only September 13; boy Lukas and Jeff, will you guys be fed up with all these queries by the time this great set is released; then likely fed up with all the queries after.

I don't know how you can put up with it all, but thank God (and you two) that you do, and then just go back at it again for another project. Thanks guys!

 
 Posted:   Sep 13, 2012 - 11:28 PM   
 By:   Neil S. Bulk   (Member)

I'd like to hear that bit of music in Space Seed when Kirk is smashing the glass on Khan's freezing unit. I think it's another Balance of Terror outtake, the theme is unmistakable. It wasn't used in any other episode.

You'll want to listen to "The Conscience of the King" then.

What's funny is, when I would be working on this set and came upon a piece of music like that, I would say to Jeff, "They're reviving Khan now" and not necessarily what the music was composed for.

Neil

 
 Posted:   Sep 14, 2012 - 6:14 AM   
 By:   chriss   (Member)

We have Lincoln's music--several versions in fact. And it's not composed by Fred Steiner.




 
 Posted:   Sep 14, 2012 - 6:20 AM   
 By:   Scott McOldsmith   (Member)

I'd like to hear that bit of music in Space Seed when Kirk is smashing the glass on Khan's freezing unit. I think it's another Balance of Terror outtake, the theme is unmistakable. It wasn't used in any other episode.

You'll want to listen to "The Conscience of the King" then.

What's funny is, when I would be working on this set and came upon a piece of music like that, I would say to Jeff, "They're reviving Khan now" and not necessarily what the music was composed for.

Neil


GAH! I think I'm going to just stop talking and wait to read the booklet while listening to the CDs. I once though this was "King" because the wood wind arrangement yelled out "Mullendore!" But then that damned theme which was all over Balance of Terror convinced me otherwise. Methinks most of what we assumed about who wrote when and when is going to be turned pretty much upside down.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 14, 2012 - 7:56 AM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

I'd like to hear that bit of music in Space Seed when Kirk is smashing the glass on Khan's freezing unit. I think it's another Balance of Terror outtake, the theme is unmistakable. It wasn't used in any other episode.

You'll want to listen to "The Conscience of the King" then.


ahh, mostly from the scene when Riley escapes sickbay (and/or phaser overload scene).

GAH! I think I'm going to just stop talking and wait to read the booklet while listening to the CDs

good idea for all of us "experts." wink

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 14, 2012 - 9:09 AM   
 By:   Joe E.   (Member)

With this much material, organizing everything by airdate order (and perhaps divided by season) would seem best.

Alternates/unused music programmed to follow the scores, library cues at the end of each season. Extras, like the recent re-record of the theme, last.


Airdate order? Why on Earth would airdate order be best? Production order, surely...

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 14, 2012 - 9:59 AM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

Airdate order? Why on Earth would airdate order be best? Production order, surely...

naw, syndication order is the way to go

 
 Posted:   Sep 14, 2012 - 10:11 AM   
 By:   GreatGonzo   (Member)

Star date order, surely?

 
 Posted:   Sep 14, 2012 - 10:32 AM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

If it's not in reverse alphabetical order by composer's first name, they've just lost a sale.

 
 Posted:   Sep 14, 2012 - 11:10 AM   
 By:   OneBuckFilms   (Member)

If it's not in reverse alphabetical order by composer's first name, they've just lost a sale.

smile

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 14, 2012 - 11:11 AM   
 By:   RollTide1017   (Member)

Extras, like the recent re-record of the theme, last.
I haven't read this entire thread but is this going to be included in the set?

 
 Posted:   Sep 14, 2012 - 11:17 AM   
 By:   Scott McOldsmith   (Member)

Yes, I believe they are. Probably one of the few tracks I won't listen to more than once. I was never a fan of the rerecording and when I watch the Blu-Rays, even when I choose the new effects, I go with the mono sound mix.

 
 Posted:   Sep 14, 2012 - 11:43 AM   
 By:   OneBuckFilms   (Member)

The main title re-recordings are going to be there, from what I understand.

I personally like the re-recordings, save for the soprano, which just doesn't sound right to me.

This is going to be quite the treat, and probably the biggest hilight of the CD shelf. If it'll even fit, of course.

I'll have to figure out how to display it, but I'll make room.

Once I have this, and Generations is out there complete, there will be an interesting milestone reached:

Every scene that was scored with James T. Kirk will be musically released.

Every scored scene with the original USS Enterprise will have been released on CD. Every voyage. Every moment.

That's unheard of.

 
 Posted:   Sep 14, 2012 - 2:26 PM   
 By:   other tallguy   (Member)

Extras, like the recent re-record of the theme, last.
I haven't read this entire thread but is this going to be included in the set?


My very first thought was "why would this thread be included in the set?"

 
 Posted:   Sep 14, 2012 - 5:58 PM   
 By:   Jeff Bond   (Member)

Because it's an interesting extra and since this will be the definitive release for TOS, what other opportunities would there ever be to release the main title rerecording?

There was a statement made earlier too that someone wished we'd have left off all the unused music from the set. Okayyyyy...so you don't want more music from "Amok Time"? You don't want to hear what happened when someone said to a composer, "write some music for this new series we're making, Star Trek. We don't how we're gonna use it yet, but just come up with something." If you're offended by that idea, I guess I can understand not wanting to hear it...in some insane bizarro universe maybe. The fact is leaving all that music off would not have reduced the cost of the set or the number of CDs. What's incredible about this set is I don't think any other TV series has had ALL its music catalogued in one release like this. This is an unprecedented look into the process of how television music was done in the 1960s, and for one of the most influential television programs ever made. So sue us if we wanted to include everything... smile

 
 Posted:   Sep 14, 2012 - 6:28 PM   
 By:   Traveling Matt   (Member)

Mr. Bond, you and the others involved are doing just fine. smile

 
 Posted:   Sep 14, 2012 - 6:31 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

MIAMI VICE
that's the box set i want!
smile

 
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