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 Posted:   Jan 31, 2014 - 11:20 AM   
 By:   Mr. Popular   (Member)

goozer: "And as the only one who was actually the target of "name-calling"..."


Hermes, any vitriol directed at you was of your own doing. You took what amounted to a simple technical error and blew it into such a monumental crime against humanity that even the Star Trek fanboys who perpetuate the 'Kirk vs. Picard' debate would wonder what the obsession was all about and tell you- as I have- to GET PAST YOURSELF.

Your post/response to Ford Thaxton from the 24th ("Please spare me the 'White Knight' invective and save your accusations and ad hominem for someone else") is so indicative of an "I'm right and the ENTIRE rest of the world doesn't know what it's talking about" mentality that it's little wonder you've taken to retitling the works of others. Not to mention ripping said band's musical approach/style for a (ahem) "solo album" that probably didn't sell a fraction of what a just released 30+ year old score that's been issued across multiple formats and on different labels has- sound issues and all. And your response you Robin's explanation- with 'read', 'voice', 'write', et al in boldface? Pathetic. Also, sad.

Given the frequency of leaps in digital technology- especially as far as sound is concerned- more and more flaws of this nature are going to occur simply because of the gaps between the two sources. Is it something that needs to be addressed with future releases? Absolutely. Did it warrant the over-the-top, hyperbolic, ranting, "shared on every forum that I am a member of" response you gave it? Not even remotely. Some might even say it was "inexcusable".


What I am curious to know is whether Robin has responded to "Goozer". From my understanding of his posts Robin responded with that comment to him and hasn't responded to him since. Did Goozer take Robin's email and post it for the world to see without responding to him with a clarification, challenge or further demands? When you take somebody's email and post it for the world to see without responding back and trying to resolve the issue further I find that to be rude.

Personally, if Robin wrote that response to me I'd respond back with clarification. If, after several emails, we can't come to some closure and I feel wronged THEN I post it for the world to see so everybody understands there was an attempt to be civil with the label managers. I suspect that Robin has seen his post on Amazon, here and elsewhere and has just decided it's not worth it. He responded to my question and was very nice about it so I don't understand why the OP didn't build up a fairer email trail in which to sell his issues with Thief.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 5, 2014 - 8:29 PM   
 By:   TheXFactor   (Member)

What I am curious to know is whether Robin has responded to "Goozer". From my understanding of his posts Robin responded with that comment to him and hasn't responded to him since. Did Goozer take Robin's email and post it for the world to see without responding to him with a clarification, challenge or further demands? When you take somebody's email and post it for the world to see without responding back and trying to resolve the issue further I find that to be rude.

Personally, if Robin wrote that response to me I'd respond back with clarification. If, after several emails, we can't come to some closure and I feel wronged THEN I post it for the world to see so everybody understands there was an attempt to be civil with the label managers. I suspect that Robin has seen his post on Amazon, here and elsewhere and has just decided it's not worth it. He responded to my question and was very nice about it so I don't understand why the OP didn't build up a fairer email trail in which to sell his issues with Thief.



Agreed with you straight across the board- especially with regards to taking a single e-mail message from someone and posting it before making a legitimate attempt at resolution. Said e-mail is really shown out of context when you think about it, and in this case it's not only rude but indicative of the ritalin-addled, instant gratification based brain of a majority of internet users. Not everyone online mind you, but the vast majority.

I also think you hit the nail right on the head about Robin simply deciding it's not worth it. I mean, he doesn't get a chance to respond properly due to an illness, a single person ("goozer" in this instance) has seemingly dedicated his entire existence to making negative posts online, on Amazon, on "every forum" that he's a member of" etc etc etc (some would define that as the DEFINITION of a troll BTW), so there's no way he could hope for any kind of positive outcome.

I will note however that in the weeks subsequent to these flaws being detected, the sun has still risen every day, the Earth still rotates on it's axis, the tides continue to come in/roll out- almost as if this "inexcusable" error really had little to do with anything at all. Except in the mind of an aging TD fanboy.

 
 Posted:   Mar 10, 2014 - 3:43 AM   
 By:   Francis   (Member)

Finally half a year later this has arrived with the signed booklet, it's a nice looking edition, easily the best I've seen a perseverance release look. Sadly the flaws are there: the wobbly and dropout bits, they are not 'minor issues', the fact that this is even being debated in this thread is silly.

ZERO POINT ZERO quality control was done on this title, if anyone had bothered to listen to what they were putting out, these errors couldn't have been overlooked. Couldn't they have simply used the two or three tracks from older releases to smooth out the now damaged masters?

As I said, it's a shame as this edition looks so nice, I guess I will have to find another source and replace the tracks in itunes so I can at least listen to them without those distractions.

P.S. It says a lot about the validity of some producers when they state that unless you are listening to this at an ungodly loud level on Headsets 99% of the planet won't even notice it.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 10, 2014 - 7:05 AM   
 By:   Mr. Popular   (Member)

Finally half a year later this has arrived with the signed booklet, it's a nice looking edition, easily the best I've seen a perseverance release look. Sadly the flaws are there: the wobbly and dropout bits, they are not 'minor issues', the fact that this is even being debated in this thread is silly.

ZERO POINT ZERO quality control was done on this title, if anyone had bothered to listen to what they were putting out, these errors couldn't have been overlooked. Couldn't they have simply used the two or three tracks from older releases to smooth out the now damaged masters?

As I said, it's a shame as this edition looks so nice, I guess I will have to find another source and replace the tracks in itunes so I can at least listen to them without those distractions.

P.S. It says a lot about the validity of some producers when they state that unless you are listening to this at an ungodly loud level on Headsets 99% of the planet won't even notice it.


I've worked with WEA. They provide the masters and don't always give you options to use replacement material.

 
 Posted:   Mar 10, 2014 - 11:07 AM   
 By:   Francis   (Member)


I've worked with WEA. They provide the masters and don't always give you options to use replacement material.


I'm sorry but stop with these lame excuses, this thread is riddled with BS. It is extremely easy to track down a CD that is still widely available, rip the tracks and clean up the mistakes. I'd be surprised if WEA could even tell the difference! They are working together with Perseverance so my bet is they don't have high standards anyway. Didn't Perseverance on this board ask if people had vinyl copies of "Red Sonja" because they wanted to put it out?

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 10, 2014 - 11:19 AM   
 By:   Ford A. Thaxton   (Member)


I've worked with WEA. They provide the masters and don't always give you options to use replacement material.


I'm sorry but stop with these lame excuses,

Sadly FANBOY, that is often times the cold and hard truth of the matter.

Robin's deal with the label is very simple.

He pays for the CD and they deliver FINISHED GOODS (aka Finished pressed CDS)...

Now, while far from a perfect master, it's not as awful as some of the more anal folks around here have posted.

Now if that is the approved master that the label is willing to press from, that's just the way it is.

this thread is riddled with BS.

Mostly coming from clueless fanboys who have never had to deal with WEA in their entire lives in order to get a release out the door.

It is extremely easy to track down a CD that is still widely available, rip the tracks and clean up the mistakes. I'd be surprised if WEA could even tell the difference!

FLAW IN LOGIC: you do understand that they are the ones who have to provide the master in the first place in order to have the CD made right?

When you use something other then THEIR approved master, they tend to get a bit upset with you.

Something that i'm sure Robin would wish to avoid doing.

They are working together with Perseverance so my bet is they don't have high standards anyway. Didn't Perseverance on this board ask if people had vinyl copies of "Red Sonja" because they wanted to put it out?

Not one of their brighter moments, but as a I recall, the production company couldn't locate any masters and that was all he had to work with.

It happens far more often then you might think.

And what does that have to do with the current discussion anyway?

Answer: NOTHING.

FUN FACT: It appears the first press run sold out and they are now waiting for the repress to arrive to fill backorders.

I'm glad Robin got a really winner here.

Ford A. Thaxton

 
 Posted:   Mar 10, 2014 - 11:26 AM   
 By:   Francis   (Member)


FUN FACT: It appears the first press run sold out and they are now waiting for the repress to arrive to fill backorders.

I'm glad Robin got a really winner here.

Ford A. Thaxton


Yes, a real winner! I'm actually glad this rush job is earning them money, it's about the only thing it set out to do!

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 10, 2014 - 11:38 AM   
 By:   Mr. Popular   (Member)


I've worked with WEA. They provide the masters and don't always give you options to use replacement material.


I'm sorry but stop with these lame excuses, this thread is riddled with BS. It is extremely easy to track down a CD that is still widely available, rip the tracks and clean up the mistakes. I'd be surprised if WEA could even tell the difference! They are working together with Perseverance so my bet is they don't have high standards anyway. Didn't Perseverance on this board ask if people had vinyl copies of "Red Sonja" because they wanted to put it out?


Really? Have you ever been involved first hand with a deal at WEA? I have.

You sign a deal. They send THEIR masters. You do the best with the masters. They manufacture.

They do not allow, for legal reasons, the use of other released CDs UNLESS THE DEAL ALLOWS FOR IT.

I get it, you think it's excuses and that is fine. The funny thing is, I am not making excuses and I find it sad you think I am.

 
 Posted:   Mar 10, 2014 - 11:38 AM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 10, 2014 - 11:39 AM   
 By:   Ford A. Thaxton   (Member)


FUN FACT: It appears the first press run sold out and they are now waiting for the repress to arrive to fill backorders.

I'm glad Robin got a really winner here.

Ford A. Thaxton


Yes, a real winner! I'm actually glad this rush job is earning them money, it's about the only thing it set out to do!


Reality Check: When the product sells, it's WINNER..

Have a nice day.

Ford A. Thaxton

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 10, 2014 - 11:42 AM   
 By:   Mr. Popular   (Member)


I've worked with WEA. They provide the masters and don't always give you options to use replacement material.


I'm sorry but stop with these lame excuses, this thread is riddled with BS. It is extremely easy to track down a CD that is still widely available, rip the tracks and clean up the mistakes. I'd be surprised if WEA could even tell the difference! They are working together with Perseverance so my bet is they don't have high standards anyway. Didn't Perseverance on this board ask if people had vinyl copies of "Red Sonja" because they wanted to put it out?


Really? Have you ever been involved first hand with a deal at WEA? I have.

You sign a deal. They send THEIR masters. You do the best with the masters. They manufacture.

They do not allow, for legal reasons, the use of other released CDs UNLESS THE DEAL ALLOWS FOR IT.

I get it, you think it's excuses and that is fine. The funny thing is, I am not making excuses and I find it sad you think I am.


Oh and btw, with the advances and the manufacturing costs factored in, these are not cheap packages to put together. The fact Robin is pricing these reasonably is admirable. I can't imagine he's making out like a bandit.

 
 Posted:   Mar 10, 2014 - 11:52 AM   
 By:   Francis   (Member)


I get it, you think it's excuses and that is fine. The funny thing is, I am not making excuses and I find it sad you think I am.


I'm sorry but based on the other responses in this thread (or lack thereof), I don't find this issue handled to my satisfaction (I can't speak for anyone but myself). I don't think Robin is making out like a bandit, I know he is a soundtrack fan but I also know his label has a reputation of hit and miss both in the legal and quality department.

I don't know if you personally worked on this or not, but if you got damaged masters from WEA, am I to presume you just run with the masters they send you and there is zero effort done to at least address the issue and try to fix it?

The other question I'm asking myself is: would Intrada, Kritzerland, La-la land records have put out this release with such apparent flaws? I know BSX would have given Ford's responses so far.

 
 Posted:   Mar 10, 2014 - 11:53 AM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

Here's a question:

Why can't we have "Thru Metamorphic Rocks" included on any of these soundtrack incarnations?
I love the piano bit at the beginning and the film version of the roof cutting scene.

As far as I can tell, the album version of Igneous is nowhere to be found in the film.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 10, 2014 - 12:57 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

I guess the lesson to not get rid of previous editions is emphasized once again.

 
 Posted:   Mar 10, 2014 - 2:15 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)


Reality Check: When the product sells, it's WINNER..


Perhaps speaking on a purely financial level, but if many of the people who made your release sell are dissatisfied with it (particularly if quality problems were not advertised), I don't think it can be considered a winner all around...

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 10, 2014 - 2:52 PM   
 By:   Kim Tong   (Member)


Reality Check: When the product sells, it's WINNER..


Perhaps speaking on a purely financial level, but if many of the people who made your release sell are dissatisfied with it (particularly if quality problems were not advertised), I don't think it can be considered a winner all around...

Yavar


This would also hurt the sale of future releases from that label. I know I am going to question anything they release from now on and I will not purchase their Red Sonja, Rain Man and Thief. I have also discarded Slipstream.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 10, 2014 - 3:02 PM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

I have also discarded Slipstream.

Perseverance is a joke of a label, but Slipstream is a solid disc, regardless of its "licencing issues"

 
 Posted:   Mar 10, 2014 - 3:04 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

The latter is a shame because fully legal or no, it is easily their finest release in terms of sound quality, packaging, and liner notes.

I'm with the people who don't understand what is gained by you discarding it; since you already gave them your money it's not as if it hurts Perseverance....I'll be keeping mine but will be happy to re-buy it should Intrada or LLL ever be able to work with the licensor.

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 10, 2014 - 3:10 PM   
 By:   Ford A. Thaxton   (Member)


Reality Check: When the product sells, it's WINNER..


Perhaps speaking on a purely financial level, but if many of the people who made your release sell are dissatisfied with it (particularly if quality problems were not advertised), I don't think it can be considered a winner all around...

Yavar


This would also hurt the sale of future releases from that label. I know I am going to question anything they release from now on and I will not purchase their Red Sonja, Rain Man and Thief. I have also discarded Slipstream.


Then you a dumbass... It's great title.

SLIPSTREAM was a a clusterfrak for any number of reasons, most the because the person who signed and granted the rights to Robin made a very HUMAN mistake in thinking they had were able to grant the rights.

It happens, some folks just went out of their way to make it a vastly bigger issue for their own reasons.

As for RED SONJA, it wasn't his brightest move to ask for LP's to make the master, but at the end of day that was all that he had to work with and as I recall it sounded not too bad and given it was that or nothing, what was your better idea BTW?

I would have included the VARESE master on that release (Or did he, I don't recall)

Now, Robin has made mistakes along the way, no doubt it, but I think they have done some fine work and seeing the same dusty dozen fanboys piss on him for their own joy based on a lot of BS is really being fair to him.

He's been able to reissue a number of titles as mid-line CDS that I'm happy to have.


Ford A. Thaxton

 
 Posted:   Mar 10, 2014 - 3:36 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

My better idea for Red Sonja: complete Tadlow re-recording! smile I know, I know...all I have to is write the check, right Ford?

Yavar

 
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