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 Posted:   Dec 9, 2013 - 8:28 PM   
 By:   jb1234   (Member)

It's really hard to believe that "Attack Pattern" wasn't on the original release. It's one of the best action cues, entertainingly apocalyptic.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 10, 2013 - 12:07 AM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

I've lived with the almost-complete score for Nemesis for quite a lot of years and IMHO it plays brilliantly well. A million times better than fhe original CD. The action and suspense are better balanced, ths textures are less overwhelming, classic themes return, the architecture of the writing is more pronounced. The only downside is the rather anti-climatic nature of the final few cues but a) the end of the film is just awful and I dare any composer to enhance it and b) Varese may have remedied it slightly by joininv two of the cues together. I can only recommend it.

And thank you for clarification on the Positronic front. So it's the press release that's wrong then. A bit anal to be sure, but where would an obsessive Goldsmith fan be without some anality? ;-)

 
 Posted:   Dec 10, 2013 - 1:07 AM   
 By:   Superman1701   (Member)

STAR TREK NEMESIS

Hands down has the worst cover & poster art of the entire series.
A minor quibble in light of this great 2CD set.


Actually the expanded version of First Contact has the worst artwork for the entire series. Nemesis is probably the best of the 4 TNG expanded releases for the artwork.

Mike for what you said about the OST...hmm I'll hang onto it for the time being until I can get my copy of the complete score. Keeping Insurrection's OST was a right call considering it had the longer version of "Children's Story".


I have kept all of the old Trek OST albums if for
no reason other then to remember where I came from (so to speak). I mean as yall know, thats all we had for years until 4 years ago when the light started to shine at the end of the tunnel. And some of those old albums like First Contact had some minor bonus stuff which was cool at the time (ex. The quicktime video that was included). I remember walking into Tower Records (while my father waited in the car) one day and buying the original Nemesis album before i saw the film. Of course I was disappointed that the cues on the album were slightly different then what i heard in the film, but im so grateful this has finally gotten the treatment it deserves. Good times indeed.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 10, 2013 - 4:47 AM   
 By:   Marlene   (Member)

STAR TREK NEMESIS

Hands down has the worst cover & poster art of the entire series.
A minor quibble in light of this great 2CD set.

The new GNP Crescendo FIRST CONTACT deluxe cover is very cool!
I like the emphasis on diseased yellow enhancing the imposing Borg threat.
Regardless Varese didn't choose the art, Paramount did.


I think that the cover for Nemesis isn´t optimal... but it´s what´s possible given the available poster designs. Keeping that in mind, they did a good job IMO.

However, I cannot agree on GNPs First Contact covers. That one is one of the worst cover designs I´ve seen in years. Ugly fonts, placement is odd/wrong... it looks cheap, there´s no style. The design for Insurrection for example is much better.

 
 Posted:   Dec 10, 2013 - 10:20 AM   
 By:   OneBuckFilms   (Member)

STAR TREK NEMESIS

Hands down has the worst cover & poster art of the entire series.
A minor quibble in light of this great 2CD set.

The new GNP Crescendo FIRST CONTACT deluxe cover is very cool!
I like the emphasis on diseased yellow enhancing the imposing Borg threat.
Regardless Varese didn't choose the art, Paramount did.


I think that the cover for Nemesis isn´t optimal... but it´s what´s possible given the available poster designs. Keeping that in mind, they did a good job IMO.

However, I cannot agree on GNPs First Contact covers. That one is one of the worst cover designs I´ve seen in years. Ugly fonts, placement is odd/wrong... it looks cheap, there´s no style. The design for Insurrection for example is much better.


I think the First Contact cover is in the "ok, but could be much better" category.

The release in person leaves a better impression than the cover on the site alone.

The Generations and Insurrection covers are much better, IMHO, and certainly show the releases in a good light.

I think the Nemesis release is fine. Same cover art as the OST, but better arrangement of title etc., with the ubiquitous "DELUXE EDITION" banner across the top.

Each label has it's style for presenting scores, and this is really obvious when looking at which labels release which score on CD.

Intrada did something interesting here, looking to match their Star Trek IV, V and VI releases to the 2 FSM releases, and breaking away from their usual style, which is an appropriate, humble thing for them to do.

Of all the releases of the Star Trek scores, I believe LLLRs Star Trek: The Motion Picture is my favorite, with everything top notch, stunning artwork, amazing sound and mastering, great, detailed and beautifully produced booklet, and all-around awesome work.

All of the first 6 movie score releases are fantastic, and the GNP releases are pretty excellent for the most part.

There's something appropriate about the styles of the TOS films compared to the TNG films, and the Nemesis release being an appropriate stylistic departure for that phase of the franchise (based on what we've seen).

 
 Posted:   Dec 10, 2013 - 1:08 PM   
 By:   Trent B.   (Member)

Actually the cover used for Nemesis' OST is different.

http://www.varesesarabande.com/servlet/the-302/Star-Trek-cln--Nemesis/Detail

 
 Posted:   Dec 10, 2013 - 1:23 PM   
 By:   OneBuckFilms   (Member)

Oh your right. Stylistically very close though.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 10, 2013 - 2:01 PM   
 By:   Rnelson   (Member)

Since everyone's on the cover art I'll chime in. We can talk about the music when we hear it.

The designers generally have to work with whatever the studios generated (unless they have the budget to design something original, not a bad thing, depending on the quality of the final product) which in the case of Nemesis was never that appealing to begin with... all that green smoke and mist. The new cover is kind of funny as it looks like Shinzon is farting out the title, "NEMESIS!"... maybe that's why all the mist is green.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 10, 2013 - 2:04 PM   
 By:   captain_avis   (Member)

The new cover is kind of funny as it looks like Shinzon is farting out the title, "NEMESIS!"... maybe that's why all the mist is green.

Oh God, now I'll never be able to look at the cover without thinking of that image. Still, that would explain why this movie stinks so bad.

Chris

 
 Posted:   Dec 10, 2013 - 2:25 PM   
 By:   Francis   (Member)


Oh God, now I'll never be able to look at the cover without thinking of that image. Still, that would explain why this movie stinks so bad.

Chris


I was thinking I might check out the blu-ray of nemesis again (I have the TNG movie set). Then I remembered how shitty it was and figured I'd just wait for the music. big grin

 
 Posted:   Dec 12, 2013 - 2:45 AM   
 By:   adamclark83   (Member)

Mike, how will the sound quality on this release compare with the OST as that one didn't get good marks for it? Which masters has been used this time?

 
 Posted:   Dec 13, 2013 - 2:58 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

It's great that all of Treks 1-10 have now been produced complete by Lukas (and most/all have involvement from Michael Mattessino and Jeff Bond), so I had a slightly greedy idea. Now that Lukas and Jeff are "in" with Varese a bit, I'm guessing it's likely they might be involved with the inevitable DE of Star Trek Into Darkness.

Personally, I can't think of a better time to reissue the first Giacchino Trek score -- put both of his scores out together, the original now overseen by Lukas for consistency with the rest of the complete Trek scores, ie. thorough liner notes, Mattessino mastering with any missing alternates and chorus/percussion overlays now included, and packaging that allows it to sit on the shelf with the other Trek feature score complete editions.

After all, 5000 copies might be enough for Nemesis because the film and score are the least popular that Goldsmith worked on, but it definitely *wasn't* enough for the very popular 2009 Star Trek, selling out in a matter of months and fetching high prices on the secondhand market. A reissue would make it available again AND give the opportunity to fix some of the issues with the first release.

For now though, I'm just ecstatic about Nemesis complete! I imagine a lot of people will be giving this a re-appraisal, because so much of the best music in the score was left off the first release (it was really the worst of all the Treks, album-wise). Really cool that Jerry revisited some of his material from TMP to bring his contribution full circle. I still think, of all his Trek scores, this is the only one I'd pare down for my own listening (too much low key suspense music), but now at least it's all available for superior "album programs" to be made.

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 13, 2013 - 4:09 PM   
 By:   Tango Urilla   (Member)

Personally, I can't think of a better time to reissue the first Giacchino Trek score -- put both of his scores out together, the original now overseen by Lukas for consistency with the rest of the complete Trek scores, ie. thorough liner notes, Mattessino mastering with any missing alternates and chorus/percussion overlays now included, and packaging that allows it to sit on the shelf with the other Trek feature score complete editions.


That would be fantastic to have both of Giacchino's scores released complete. I missed out on Varese's Trek '09 expansion and haven't picked up Into Darkness yet as I'm holding out for the inevitable expansion of that.

Also really looking forward to experiencing Nemesis for the first time in January.

 
 Posted:   Dec 13, 2013 - 7:11 PM   
 By:   Trent B.   (Member)


Personally, I can't think of a better time to reissue the first Giacchino Trek score -- put both of his scores out together, the original now overseen by Lukas for consistency with the rest of the complete Trek scores, ie. thorough liner notes, Mattessino mastering with any missing alternates and chorus/percussion overlays now included, and packaging that allows it to sit on the shelf with the other Trek feature score complete editions.
-Yavar


A voice of reason.

Townson was the soul creditor for the Trek 09 Deluxe Edition. The fact that there were still micro-edits and was not the intended version of the score like the other 10 releases suggest it was primarily a personal edit for his.

I agree it would be a good time to re-issue it as the COMPLETE INTENDED version. No micro-edits missing or choir. Although I could understand it if the Chris Tilton percussion dubs are missing since royalties would have to be paid to him too.

I'm just glad Star Trek Nemesis was done correctly.

Yavar, my email is in my profile, drop me a line. Let me know who you are in the subject so I don't delete the email.

 
 Posted:   Dec 14, 2013 - 2:42 PM   
 By:   ST-321   (Member)

I would certainly buy both.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 8, 2014 - 11:56 AM   
 By:   dwirving68   (Member)

Does anyone know if GNP will issue Hi-Res album art (1500x1500 would be sweet!) for this? Someone at albumartexchange posted blown up versions of the 600x600 art and the results are pretty nasty.

 
 Posted:   Jan 8, 2014 - 12:11 PM   
 By:   Trent B.   (Member)

Does anyone know if GNP will issue Hi-Res album art (1500x1500 would be sweet!) for this? Someone at albumartexchange posted blown up versions of the 600x600 art and the results are pretty nasty.

GNP? Don't you mean Varèse? Varèse issued the OST (which is still available), not GNP.

What's wrong with the cover from the original poster of this thread? The size seems fine to me. I don't think it will be issued any higher size. Someone would have to do a high res scan of the main cover once people get their copies.

BTW still no shipping notification from Varèse...maybe they haven't gotten their mail yet today but I thought businesses would get theirs in the morning.

 
 Posted:   Jan 8, 2014 - 12:41 PM   
 By:   JeffM   (Member)

I've heard nothing as well. I originally chalked it up to bad weather til I realized that it was like 80 in CA. LOL!

 
 Posted:   Jan 8, 2014 - 1:13 PM   
 By:   mastadge   (Member)

My order says "shipped" but it also lists the ship date as 12/12/13, so that is meaningless.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 8, 2014 - 1:43 PM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

Received a shipping notification from Colosseum Schallplatten this afternoon!

 
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