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 Posted:   Dec 10, 2013 - 12:05 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

It's an important score in my film music fandom -- one of the first that really made me a soundtrack fan in the first place. That being said, even the original release has segments that aren't that exciting (like the militaristic percussion stuff or some suspense cues), and I'm suspecting all the extra music belongs in that category. I'll certainly sample the soundtrack for curiousity, but I seriously doubt I'll be picking it up, alltime favourite or not.

It's obvious you're not going to buy the expanded soundtrack. Why even mention it?


Why mention it? Because it's one of my alltime favourite scores, and I want to comment on it when the topic comes up -- whether it's the regular release, the expanded release or the Hawaii release. I find it fascinating how people tend to think only those who will BUY the release has a right to comment in a thread like this. It apparently doesn't suffice to have a relationship to the score.

Furthermore, I would think it's more valuable in a discussion forum to add a few cents about one's history relating to the score and opinions regarding the release than a mere "ordered!" or similar? Or would you disagree with that too?

(incidentally, I haven't yet decided whether I will buy it or not. I'm waiting for the samples to become available again).

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 10, 2013 - 12:06 AM   
 By:   Tango Urilla   (Member)

The Abyss is one of my favorite films and has long been a glaring omission in my film score collection. I never took the plunge on the original CD, so I'm glad I held out for this new version with improved sound and the score now complete. Definitely gonna order this soon, likely along with Nemesis. Nemesis and Insurrection are the only two Trek films I haven't seen or heard the music from, but based on positive comments I've read here, I'm willing to give it a shot and add it to my gradually growing Trek collection, which presently includes ST:TMP, ST:G, and ST:FC (and hopefully ST:TFF soon).

A small quibble: I just wish these CDs would be shipping now instead of next month. Can't really put them on the ol' Christmas wish list when they won't arrive until January.

But I guess that really is a small quibble to me since there is so much else to be had right now. "An embarrassment of riches" is a term I've seen pop up frequently on this board and that truly is what we've got with all these monumental releases arriving one after the next (or four, five, six at a time). As recently as three months ago, I picked up three MAJOR newly complete scores I genuinely didn't think would be released for a long, long time. It feels kind of ridiculous at times to look at my collection and see all the long-sought-after music I now own to enjoy at any time. And to think, 2014 will likely see the floodgates flowing like never before. What an awesome time to be in this hobby.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 10, 2013 - 5:17 AM   
 By:   djintrepid   (Member)

I definitely ordered this. I've been waiting for years hoping it would get it's due. I'm grateful that Varese took the time.

It's possible that there is music that was composed and recorded for the film, but didn't make it into the finished cut. You know how that goes!

I too have not been able to access the sound samples. I get the same traffic quota message as everyone else. I did see the sound samples yesterday only once and got to hear a little bit of music from Suspect, but then when I left the site to do something else, they were gone and I haven't seen them since. It's too bad, as I might have ordered more than The Abyss.

 
 Posted:   Dec 10, 2013 - 6:52 AM   
 By:   Score Whore   (Member)

It's an important score in my film music fandom -- one of the first that really made me a soundtrack fan in the first place. That being said, even the original release has segments that aren't that exciting (like the militaristic percussion stuff or some suspense cues), and I'm suspecting all the extra music belongs in that category. I'll certainly sample the soundtrack for curiousity, but I seriously doubt I'll be picking it up, alltime favourite or not.

It's obvious you're not going to buy the expanded soundtrack. Why even mention it?


Why mention it? Because it's one of my alltime favourite scores, and I want to comment on it when the topic comes up -- whether it's the regular release, the expanded release or the Hawaii release. I find it fascinating how people tend to think only those who will BUY the release has a right to comment in a thread like this. It apparently doesn't suffice to have a relationship to the score.

Furthermore, I would think it's more valuable in a discussion forum to add a few cents about one's history relating to the score and opinions regarding the release than a mere "ordered!" or similar? Or would you disagree with that too?

(incidentally, I haven't yet decided whether I will buy it or not. I'm waiting for the samples to become available again).


I have no problem with you talking about the score. I just don't need to hear every time how you're not going to buy an expanded release. We get it. You like your soundtracks a particular way. We don't need to hear every time an expanded score is released that you're not going to buy it. Talk about the score as much as you want, but really, it's nearly 2014 and all the regulars here know your take on expanded scores vs "the listening experience".

 
 Posted:   Dec 10, 2013 - 6:59 AM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

Why mention it? Because it's one of my alltime favourite scores, and I want to comment on it when the topic comes up -- whether it's the regular release, the expanded release or the Hawaii release. I find it fascinating how people tend to think only those who will BUY the release has a right to comment in a thread like this. It apparently doesn't suffice to have a relationship to the score.

It has nothing to do with any perceived "right" to state anything. Its that you had a habit of blanketing any expanded release with backhanded statements of why you wouldn't buy something. Which I think was something that had gotten so repetitive, you'd been warned about it by the Powers That Be.

 
 Posted:   Dec 10, 2013 - 7:01 AM   
 By:   Josh "Swashbuckler" Gizelt   (Member)

Regarding about shipping in the New Year: One of the people involved with the production of this disc posted a picture of their CD-R copies of the disc master on Facebook after it was announced. It was dated May of this year. These albums seem to have been in production for quite some time. It is possible that many of them only just cleared, and Varèse is doing the Club announcement now to get it in before the end of the year.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 10, 2013 - 8:22 AM   
 By:   Loverozsa   (Member)

Stop bickering, children!!! My 7th grade students have infinitely more maturity than some who post on this site. Stop complaining or reacting to complaints- just be grateful for all we are
getting (and will get) in terms of new releases!!!

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 10, 2013 - 8:35 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

I have no problem with you talking about the score. I just don't need to hear every time how you're not going to buy an expanded release. We get it. You like your soundtracks a particular way. We don't need to hear every time an expanded score is released that you're not going to buy it. Talk about the score as much as you want, but really, it's nearly 2014 and all the regulars here know your take on expanded scores vs "the listening experience".

I think the last time I even went into a debate about that issue was back in 2011, during the BREAKDOWN ordeal. So it hardly qualifies as 'every time'. Also -- whenever there is a release of a score that I like, I will definitely comment on it -- whether it's my opinion on the score, my history with it, the highlights, the disappointing parts, the artwork, the film OR the way it is presented. That's just how it is. If scores I like are presented in a form I dislike, that will necessarily be part of the total evaluation. Even if that means repeating something that everyone already knows.

There are two things I find equally useless. Those who constantly say "ordered!" and those who say "I won't buy it!". What I DON'T find useless, however, is those who say WHY a release interests them or not, maybe with some thoughts on the actual music itself. That's the kind of diversity I think a healthy film music forum (that isn't just a mouthpiece for labels) should strive for.

My two cents. We can go back to discussing THE ABYSS now, if you want to.

 
 Posted:   Dec 10, 2013 - 10:25 AM   
 By:   Spiegelson   (Member)

1989/90: The Abyss, Batman, Last Crusade, Star Trek V, Back to the Future II and III, Red October, Always – Man that was a great year!

1989 was MY YEAR! That's why we try to do as many scores from that era

Batman
Lethal Weapon 2
Star Trek V
Black Rain
Pet Semetary
Fat Man and Little Boy
Tango and Cash

We even have few more planned in 2014!

Can't wait to get THE ABYSS!

MV



1995 was excellent, maybe better than 1989 smile

Batman Forever
Die Hard: With A Vengeance
Congo (Intrada)
Bad Boys
Species (Intrada)
A Walk in the Clouds
First Knight
Money Train

For 2014 and 2015 maybe

Apollo 13
Jumanji
Casper
Waterworld
Seven
Braveheart
Outbreak
Heat
The American President
Under Siege 2: Dark Territory
Sense and Sensibility
Judge Dredd
Copycat
Powder
Assassins

cool

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 10, 2013 - 12:42 PM   
 By:   Mr. Popular   (Member)

I definitely ordered this. I've been waiting for years hoping it would get it's due. I'm grateful that Varese took the time.

It's possible that there is music that was composed and recorded for the film, but didn't make it into the finished cut. You know how that goes!

I too have not been able to access the sound samples. I get the same traffic quota message as everyone else. I did see the sound samples yesterday only once and got to hear a little bit of music from Suspect, but then when I left the site to do something else, they were gone and I haven't seen them since. It's too bad, as I might have ordered more than The Abyss.


Seems they are fixing this. Just noticed that Brass Target is fixed. So is Abyss.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 10, 2013 - 12:58 PM   
 By:   trstnvnk   (Member)

1995 was excellent, maybe better than 1989 smile

Batman Forever
Die Hard: With A Vengeance
Congo (Intrada)
Bad Boys
Species (Intrada)
A Walk in the Clouds
First Knight
Money Train

For 2014 and 2015 maybe

Apollo 13
Jumanji
Casper
Waterworld
Seven
Braveheart
Outbreak
Heat
The American President
Under Siege 2: Dark Territory
Sense and Sensibility
Judge Dredd
Copycat
Powder
Assassins

cool


1995 is probably my favorite film year! Expanded Heat and Apollo 13 are scores I can't wait to see expanded! Seven, Under Siege 2 and Copycat would also be very sweet. Crimson Tide would also be nice!

 
 Posted:   Dec 10, 2013 - 7:18 PM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

There are two things I find equally useless. Those who constantly say "ordered!" and those who say "I won't buy it!". What I DON'T find useless, however, is those who say WHY a release interests them or not, maybe with some thoughts on the actual music itself. That's the kind of diversity I think a healthy film music forum (that isn't just a mouthpiece for labels) should strive for.



"This board was not made for Thor!"

wink

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 10, 2013 - 7:32 PM   
 By:   itstownerman   (Member)

Say of all the Cameron Movies..I like this one the best...The Longer Version...though Ed Harris, Mary Elizabeth Mastrantonio..still call it The Abitch..and still will not talk about this film...something about that crazy director. But anyone know the back story on how Alan got this gig...Close Encounters Under The Sea? I like the score...it has all of Hollywood jam into one score...Action! BAM! Love Music..BAM! some Oooing and awing...BAM! It is all there.


I found this on the internet bout the expanded Abyss Movie....

As Alan Silvestri was not available to compose new music for the restored scenes, Robert Garrett, who had composed temp music for the film's initial cutting in 1989, was chosen to create new music. The Special Edition was completed in December 1992, with 28 minutes added to the film, and saw a limited theatrical release in New York City and Los Angeles on February 26, 1993, and expanded to key cities nationwide in the following weeks.

Oh My Lanta...Thor is not a happy camper..another expanded score. He is a hater. Thor doesn't like Film Score People to enjoy life. To Bad Thor.

 
 Posted:   Dec 10, 2013 - 7:38 PM   
 By:   Trent B.   (Member)

If everyone would do what I and a lot of others have done...put Thor on ignore he will eventually go away.

 
 Posted:   Dec 10, 2013 - 11:51 PM   
 By:   Superman1701   (Member)

Glad I ordered this!

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 11, 2013 - 1:28 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Thor doesn't like Film Score People to enjoy life.

LOL....that summed it up right there. How dare you enjoy life? big grin

 
 Posted:   Dec 11, 2013 - 1:47 AM   
 By:   Francis   (Member)

In all honesty, what is the difference on this forum between saying you are getting the release or saying you wont get the release? Hardly any musical discussion is done anyway aside from a couple of generalizations. And Thor, you'll have to explain to me how you can do a total evaluation of something you wont get to evaluate in the first place? wink

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 11, 2013 - 1:52 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Well, I've had some years of experience with the ol' C&C, you know, and I know this particular score very well. So I think I'm pretty well equipped to do a 'purchase evaluation'.

I'm glad to see that the samples are up again on the Varese site. Unfortunately, I didn't discover anything in the sampled, unreleased tracks that added much to the experience. I had hoped there would be more of the glittering synth stuff, for example. Most of the samples are from tracks that are already on the old release. Guess I'll have to wait for a promo or a Spotify release, if one is forthcoming. I still haven't 100% decided if I'm getting it or not.

"Coffey Break" is an inspired track name, though!

 
 Posted:   Dec 11, 2013 - 6:30 AM   
 By:   Other Tallguy   (Member)

Thor doesn’t sound all that grumpy to me…

Interesting question, from up thread: I always figured Horner didn’t get the gig after Aliens (although it seems that Cameron temped the heck out of it with Brainstorm) but why Silvestri?

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 11, 2013 - 6:48 AM   
 By:   jwb   (Member)

Thor doesn’t sound all that grumpy to me…

Interesting question, from up thread: I always figured Horner didn’t get the gig after Aliens (although it seems that Cameron temped the heck out of it with Brainstorm) but why Silvestri?


Cameron was involved a little bit with Predator early on. He liked Silvestri's score and so hired him for The Abyss.

 
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