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 Posted:   Dec 9, 2013 - 7:45 PM   
 By:   PFK   (Member)

If you guys are gonna bitch about anything bitch about the fact they had a year to get 6 titles ready, but they are not shipping until the week of Jan 6! If you are gonna take people's money (especially before the holidays) have the courtesy of having the product in stock and ready to ship. Otherwise, wait until the New Year and start it off with a bang!

smile

MV




No problem with me MV.

I didn't order any of the Varese Club titles! smile

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 9, 2013 - 7:51 PM   
 By:   PFK   (Member)

But beyond that, what Golden Age fan would not appreciate Brass Target?

No kidding. I guess some will just have to pretend the exact same music was composed in 1958 instead of 1978.

Seriously, I do wonder if the strictly Golden Age collectors at least listened to the samples for Brass Target.




Brass Target is indeed a fine score by a fine composer. Much in the golden age style.

I bought the LP when it came out, I'm playing it right now. Yes! I still play LPs! smile

Like many other Club cds, Brass Target is yet another reissue from Varese, but good to see it for those who missed it.

I get the feeling the new owners of Varese could care less about golden age scores.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 9, 2013 - 8:02 PM   
 By:   musicpaladin2007   (Member)

Is it possible that Lukas is writing snarky remarks because, oh I don't know, he PRODUCED at least one of the albums in question and spent what I would imagine is a significant quantity of his time preparing the release?

So not only are you going to bitch and whine about the lack of golden age releases, but you're also going to accuse him & Varese of "throwing together" releases. Awesome.

Class acts we have on this board here, real class acts of selfish greedy brats that have no appreciation and rather than take what is graciously given to them through hours of blood sweat and tears, to whine and moan about their personal interests not being fulfilled.

I for one am excited about the Nemesis release. I really was worried that Varese was going to sit on that one for a while.

 
 Posted:   Dec 9, 2013 - 8:55 PM   
 By:   Dana Wilcox   (Member)

Is it possible that Lukas is writing snarky remarks because, oh I don't know, he PRODUCED at least one of the albums in question and spent what I would imagine is a significant quantity of his time preparing the release?

So not only are you going to bitch and whine about the lack of golden age releases, but you're also going to accuse him & Varese of "throwing together" releases. Awesome.

Class acts we have on this board here, real class acts of selfish greedy brats that have no appreciation and rather than take what is graciously given to them through hours of blood sweat and tears, to whine and moan about their personal interests not being fulfilled.



As far as I can see this soundtrack thing is still a capitalist venture, theoretically operating on consumer demand. I am as appreciative as anyone here of what Lukas Kendall pioneered at FSM, but that does not extend to the sort of fawning, uncritical devotion you seem to think we owe to the soundtrack producers. I hate to pop your bubble, but these guys do not spend their days doing what they do as a charitable gift to the film music enthusiasts of the world. This is a business, and if Kendall or Varese or any of these guys feels personally insulted by a consumer expressing what it is he would like to buy, then I have to wonder who exactly the real crybabies are in this picture. Your perspective on this is skewed all out of whack. IMO of course.

 
 Posted:   Dec 9, 2013 - 8:59 PM   
 By:   Burk Whittenburg   (Member)

I get the feeling the new owners of Varese could care less about golden age scores.

Smart ownership - I like them! Thankfully they seem to know what sells best and that clearly isnt scores to movies that were released over half a century ago

The new titles are amazing and I bought the entire batch. Thank you Varese, you've done an outstanding job - please keep these goodies coming!!

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 9, 2013 - 9:10 PM   
 By:   haineshisway   (Member)

Agreed Bruce. You have released some lovely titles this year. I really love The Pleasure of His Company, How Green Was my Valley, and The Miracle Worker.

But beyond that, what Golden Age fan would not appreciate Brass Target? The theme is lovely and it sounds wonderful.


Brass Target is great - the fact that it's taken them, well, do the math, is pretty incredible.

 
 Posted:   Dec 9, 2013 - 9:13 PM   
 By:   Josh   (Member)

Agreed Bruce. You have released some lovely titles this year. I really love The Pleasure of His Company, How Green Was my Valley, and The Miracle Worker.

But beyond that, what Golden Age fan would not appreciate Brass Target? The theme is lovely and it sounds wonderful.


Brass Target is great - the fact that it's taken them, well, do the math, is pretty incredible.


Brass Target is my most-wanted title from this Club batch. It will be mine, oh yes...

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 9, 2013 - 9:18 PM   
 By:   haineshisway   (Member)

Is it possible that Lukas is writing snarky remarks because, oh I don't know, he PRODUCED at least one of the albums in question and spent what I would imagine is a significant quantity of his time preparing the release?

So not only are you going to bitch and whine about the lack of golden age releases, but you're also going to accuse him & Varese of "throwing together" releases. Awesome.

Class acts we have on this board here, real class acts of selfish greedy brats that have no appreciation and rather than take what is graciously given to them through hours of blood sweat and tears, to whine and moan about their personal interests not being fulfilled.

I for one am excited about the Nemesis release. I really was worried that Varese was going to sit on that one for a while.


Since I'm the one who made the "throwing together" comment and since you obviously did not read it carefully, I said there were two releases out of the six that had obviously been planned - and add Brass Target to that, too, probably. The other three? Not so much and they, of course, have nothing to do with Lukas or anyone else. No one accused Lukas of anything.

 
 Posted:   Dec 9, 2013 - 9:20 PM   
 By:   Dana Wilcox   (Member)

Agreed Bruce. You have released some lovely titles this year. I really love The Pleasure of His Company, How Green Was my Valley, and The Miracle Worker.

But beyond that, what Golden Age fan would not appreciate Brass Target? The theme is lovely and it sounds wonderful.


Brass Target is great - the fact that it's taken them, well, do the math, is pretty incredible.


Ditto to the props for Bruce. I have really appreciated the great track record Kritzerland has established for continuing to offer great Golden and Silver Age titles. I haven't bought every single one but I have a goodly stack of them, that's for sure. Brass Target is the only one of the Varese titles I've ordered.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 9, 2013 - 9:25 PM   
 By:   PFK   (Member)

I have bought all the golden age and silver age Kritzerland cds.

Thanks Bruce for producing so many classy cds!

And since, once again, I have bought NO Varese Club cds, I'll take that money saved and buy the future Kritzerland cds!'

Thank you Varese!

 
 Posted:   Dec 9, 2013 - 9:25 PM   
 By:   Dana Wilcox   (Member)

I get the feeling the new owners of Varese could care less about golden age scores.

Smart ownership - I like them! Thankfully they seem to know what sells best and that clearly isnt scores to movies that were released over half a century ago

The new titles are amazing and I bought the entire batch. Thank you Varese, you've done an outstanding job - please keep these goodies coming!!


I pretty much don't give a shit for most of what passed for film music in the 90s, but I can't imagine myself congratulating a record company for NOT releasing any 90s scores, simply because I don't like them. Nice guy you are. Glad you aren't in charge of what gets released!

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 9, 2013 - 9:57 PM   
 By:   PFK   (Member)

I get the feeling the new owners of Varese could care less about golden age scores.

Smart ownership - I like them! Thankfully they seem to know what sells best and that clearly isnt scores to movies that were released over half a century ago

The new titles are amazing and I bought the entire batch. Thank you Varese, you've done an outstanding job - please keep these goodies coming!!




I don't care for most of the 80s and 90s scores, so I don't read or post on those topics. If other fans love the 80s and 90s then that's fine too. To each his/her own.

So Mr. Whittenburg, if you don't like the golden age scores then why are you reading and posting on a golden age topic?

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 9, 2013 - 10:02 PM   
 By:   PFK   (Member)

Is it possible that Lukas is writing snarky remarks because, oh I don't know, he PRODUCED at least one of the albums in question and spent what I would imagine is a significant quantity of his time preparing the release?

So not only are you going to bitch and whine about the lack of golden age releases, but you're also going to accuse him & Varese of "throwing together" releases. Awesome.

Class acts we have on this board here, real class acts of selfish greedy brats that have no appreciation and rather than take what is graciously given to them through hours of blood sweat and tears, to whine and moan about their personal interests not being fulfilled.

I for one am excited about the Nemesis release. I really was worried that Varese was going to sit on that one for a while.




I think you are taking all of this much too seriously! smile

 
 Posted:   Dec 9, 2013 - 10:05 PM   
 By:   Lukas Kendall   (Member)

I don't ask or expect people to have a positive opinion of anything I've worked on just because this is my site. I'm not the opinion police!

I'm certainly not the spokesman for Varese. I'm happy I was able to work on Nemesis for them and, in the process COMPLETE ALL 10 STAR TREK TOS/TNG MOVIE EXPANDED EDITIONS. Which I had wanted to do forever, and had been wanted forever, and took many of us, working together (labels/engineers/studios/producers, several years.

I merely comment, as an observer of human behavior, that (some) people are awfully demanding of the labels. I see posts complaining that there are too many CDs to buy, and also CDs criticizing the choices of titles...which is it?

I suppose each person would like there to be released only the titles that he (usually he, not she) wants, and can afford to buy, in the most desirable order for cost and listening purposes. It's just not possible.

I think people should reserve their ire for when incompetent producers/labels truly screw up an important release—which, fortunately, rarely if ever happens these days.

Lukas

 
 Posted:   Dec 9, 2013 - 10:06 PM   
 By:   Burk Whittenburg   (Member)

I get the feeling the new owners of Varese could care less about golden age scores.

Smart ownership - I like them! Thankfully they seem to know what sells best and that clearly isnt scores to movies that were released over half a century ago

The new titles are amazing and I bought the entire batch. Thank you Varese, you've done an outstanding job - please keep these goodies coming!!


I pretty much don't give a shit for most of what passed for film music in the 90s, but I can't imagine myself congratulating a record company for NOT releasing any 90s scores, simply because I don't like them. Nice guy you are. Glad you aren't in charge of what gets released!


Glad you aren't either! big grin

 
 Posted:   Dec 9, 2013 - 10:23 PM   
 By:   Burk Whittenburg   (Member)

I get the feeling the new owners of Varese could care less about golden age scores.

Smart ownership - I like them! Thankfully they seem to know what sells best and that clearly isnt scores to movies that were released over half a century ago

The new titles are amazing and I bought the entire batch. Thank you Varese, you've done an outstanding job - please keep these goodies coming!!




I don't care for most of the 80s and 90s scores, so I don't read or post on those topics. If other fans love the 80s and 90s then that's fine too. To each his/her own.

So Mr. Whittenburg, if you don't like the golden age scores then why are you reading and posting on a golden age topic?


Rest assured, you won't find me anywhere near a thread announcing a new golden age score. This is a different topic altogether & I'm entitled to express my thoughts, just like everyone else.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 9, 2013 - 10:34 PM   
 By:   PFK   (Member)

I don't ask or expect people to have a positive opinion of anything I've worked on just because this is my site. I'm not the opinion police!

I'm certainly not the spokesman for Varese. I'm happy I was able to work on Nemesis for them and, in the process COMPLETE ALL 10 STAR TREK TOS/TNG MOVIE EXPANDED EDITIONS. Which I had wanted to do forever, and had been wanted forever, and took many of us, working together (labels/engineers/studios/producers, several years.

I merely comment, as an observer of human behavior, that (some) people are awfully demanding of the labels. I see posts complaining that there are too many CDs to buy, and also CDs criticizing the choices of titles...which is it?

I suppose each person would like there to be released only the titles that he (usually he, not she) wants, and can afford to buy, in the most desirable order for cost and listening purposes. It's just not possible.

I think people should reserve their ire for when incompetent producers/labels truly screw up an important release—which, fortunately, rarely if ever happens these days.

Lukas




"I see post complaining that there are too many CDs to buy, and also CDs criticizing the choices of titles ... which is it?"

Answer: Choice of titles. Now you know! smile

 
 Posted:   Dec 9, 2013 - 10:36 PM   
 By:   Dana Wilcox   (Member)

I don't ask or expect people to have a positive opinion of anything I've worked on just because this is my site. I'm not the opinion police!

I'm certainly not the spokesman for Varese. I'm happy I was able to work on Nemesis for them and, in the process COMPLETE ALL 10 STAR TREK TOS/TNG MOVIE EXPANDED EDITIONS. Which I had wanted to do forever, and had been wanted forever, and took many of us, working together (labels/engineers/studios/producers, several years.

I merely comment, as an observer of human behavior, that (some) people are awfully demanding of the labels. I see posts complaining that there are too many CDs to buy, and also CDs criticizing the choices of titles...which is it?

I suppose each person would like there to be released only the titles that he (usually he, not she) wants, and can afford to buy, in the most desirable order for cost and listening purposes. It's just not possible.

I think people should reserve their ire for when incompetent producers/labels truly screw up an important release—which, fortunately, rarely if ever happens these days.

Lukas


All of this because Joe said he wished there had been a single stinkin' Golden Age title among the Varese releases? It didn't seem like "ire" to me, but I guess it depends on which side of the counter you're on. Also, I don't think there are many people here who would advocate for only the stuff they personally like to be released. Hopefully most of us understand that a variety of interests must be appealed to, and are charitable enough to be happy for those whose whose wishes are being satisfied with a particular release, even if it isn't something particularly exciting to them. So on those issues we disagree.

I do agree with the last part of what you said. The only soundtrack I can ever recall buying that was truly screwed up was the Varese release of THE THORN BIRDS, missing the main title dulcimer part that Mancini himself considered the heart of the composition. No acknowledgement, no apology, much less a replacement disc with the dulcimer part restored. I wouldn't even mention it had Varese made the slightest effort to correct the situation, or offer something by way of compensation for the omission. I do have some "ire" about that, and it has caused me to doubt the personal integrity of the people who run the company.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 9, 2013 - 10:37 PM   
 By:   PFK   (Member)

I get the feeling the new owners of Varese could care less about golden age scores.

Smart ownership - I like them! Thankfully they seem to know what sells best and that clearly isnt scores to movies that were released over half a century ago

The new titles are amazing and I bought the entire batch. Thank you Varese, you've done an outstanding job - please keep these goodies coming!!




I don't care for most of the 80s and 90s scores, so I don't read or post on those topics. If other fans love the 80s and 90s then that's fine too. To each his/her own.

So Mr. Whittenburg, if you don't like the golden age scores then why are you reading and posting on a golden age topic?


Rest assured, you won't find me anywhere near a thread announcing a new golden age score. This is a different topic altogether & I'm entitled to express my thoughts, just like everyone else.




"Rest assured, you won't find me anywhere near a thread announcing a new golden age score."

Good to know! smile

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 9, 2013 - 11:05 PM   
 By:   TerraEpon   (Member)


All of this because Joe said he wished there had been a single stinkin' Golden Age title among the Varese releases? It didn't seem like "ire" to me, but I guess it depends on which side of the counter you're on.


Well, the thread title is in all caps (which correlates with screaming), with five question marks, then five exclamation points in the text, plus the general implication that they somehow 'owe' people a Golden Age title because it's been so long since the last club releases.

That seems pretty ireful to me.

 
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