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 Posted:   Feb 16, 2015 - 11:13 AM   
 By:   Francis   (Member)

My comment was more to the fact that it seemed like he took on this project because it was guaranteed royalties from soundtrack sales, so it didn't even matter that the music was good at all.

I don't know about royalties, but a lot of composers take on certain scores because it bought them a house. And they don't always turn in a subpar score because of it. I'll wait to judge the score after I've seen the movie. Wearing my trench coat disguise of course.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 16, 2015 - 11:21 AM   
 By:   lonzoe1   (Member)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZikhwKBQ1-E

Hmm. Doesn't sound like he only signed on for the royalties, imo.

 
 Posted:   Feb 16, 2015 - 11:25 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

My comment was more to the fact that it seemed like he took on this project because it was guaranteed royalties from soundtrack sales, so it didn't even matter that the music was good at all.

I don't know about royalties, but a lot of composers take on certain scores because it bought them a house. And they don't always turn in a subpar score because of it. I'll wait to judge the score after I've seen the movie. Wearing my trench coat disguise of course.


Do we really believe Elfman needs the money?

 
 Posted:   Feb 16, 2015 - 11:31 AM   
 By:   Shaun Rutherford   (Member)

I think the allure of actually selling hard (ahem) copies of a score in higher numbers than usual would make a "name" title like this too much to pass on.

 
 Posted:   Feb 16, 2015 - 11:41 AM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

Composers sign on to score films for all sorts of reasons. Some are financial, some are personal, some are creative, some are simply to challenge oneself. Obviously, not all films turn out the way one hopes when one signs on, and not all collaborations turn out to be fruitful.

It's easy to be cynical, but I don't see any particular reason to believe that Elfman did not find this film a worthy creative pursuit.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 16, 2015 - 11:53 AM   
 By:   Francis   (Member)

Composers sign on to score films for all sorts of reasons. Some are financial, some are personal, some are creative, some are simply to challenge oneself. Obviously, not all films turn out the way one hopes when one signs on, and not all collaborations turn out to be fruitful.

It's easy to be cynical, but I don't see any particular reason to believe that Elfman did not find this film a worthy creative pursuit.


Schiffy, stop being so level headed and astute!

There clearly must be something wrong with Elfman's bank account when he's scoring Donald Rumsfeld documentaries and softcore flicks. big grin

 
 Posted:   Feb 16, 2015 - 11:54 AM   
 By:   CindyLover   (Member)

My comment was more to the fact that it seemed like he took on this project because it was guaranteed royalties from soundtrack sales, so it didn't even matter that the music was good at all.

No one said that about Carter Burwell, Alexandre Desplat and Howard Shore when they scored Twilight
movies (or indeed about Desplat when he did Harry Potter and the Deadly Hallows), so why say that about Elfman now?

 
 Posted:   Feb 16, 2015 - 12:20 PM   
 By:   Shaun Rutherford   (Member)

Because Elfman's been phoning it in for his high-profile projects for several years? Like John said earlier, you hear much more inspiration in Elfman's smaller projects and non-film work these days. He's playing the game now, unable to bring anything fresh to the table musically.

Short of John Williams, if you're a composer and you see people buying up anything with the words "Fifty Shades Of Grey" written on it, you jump at the chance to make some sweet Maurice Jarre Ghost bank.

 
 Posted:   Feb 16, 2015 - 12:58 PM   
 By:   Sean Nethery   (Member)

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 16, 2015 - 1:44 PM   
 By:   mfox   (Member)

Well, I listened to it, and it certainly puts the "background" in background music. If sex was this dull and generic the human race would have died out eons ago.

 
 Posted:   Feb 16, 2015 - 2:07 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Um, yeah...I'll just say that your "several years" of phoning in te high profile assignments must start after Alice in WONDERLAND, because that score is truly magnificent, particularly in complete form.

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Feb 16, 2015 - 2:22 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Um, yeah...I'll just say that your "several years" of phoning in te high profile assignments must start after Alice in WONDERLAND, because that score is truly magnificent, particularly in complete form.

Yavar


Alice suffers a bit from temp tracking, but yeah it's a wonderful score.

 
 Posted:   Feb 16, 2015 - 3:34 PM   
 By:   Shaun Rutherford   (Member)

Yeah, post-Alice. What a great theme.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 16, 2015 - 4:00 PM   
 By:   Thgil   (Member)

It's definitely Elfman in his "Serenade Schizophrenia" and contemporary pop mode, but it's not bad and I too look forward to the rest.

And there's nothing wrong with the cover. It does look a bit like a fashion magazine ad, which isn't a bad thing.


The composition has no focal point, The placement of the tie is funny, (get it?) cut off faces isn't very alluring. There's no sense of eroticism in the piece. But I know art is in the eye of the beholder.


Basic Instinct's simple, yet evocative, art is farrrrr better in my opinion.

I'm curious about the score itself.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 16, 2015 - 4:02 PM   
 By:   John Mullin   (Member)

I do love the ALICE score (despite hating the movie), and I think THE WOLFMAN, also from 2010, is pretty stellar. Later in 2010, he did THE NEXT THREE DAYS, which I think is excellent as well, and the following year he did RESTLESS, which I love.

I didn't like much of what he did in 2012, however... DARK SHADOWS didn't really light me up beyond that amazing "Prologue" cue. MIB3 didn't do much for me.... same with FRANKENWEENIE, HITCHCOCK, and PROMISED LAND. I thought there was a lot of interesting stuff in SILVER LININGS PLAYBOOK, however, which is another score where he got to work a very different palate than he normally gets to.

 
 Posted:   Feb 16, 2015 - 8:59 PM   
 By:   CindyLover   (Member)

Well, that sounds about how we figured it would from modern-day Elfman.

I don't recall getting a letter authorising Shaun Rutherford to speak for everybody on the planet.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 16, 2015 - 8:59 PM   
 By:   lonzoe1   (Member)

Eh... I don't believe Elfman's been phoning it in these days. Those who honestly think that simply can't handle his more low key/intimate scores, imo. In other words not their cup of tea.

 
 Posted:   Feb 16, 2015 - 9:35 PM   
 By:   Mr. Jack   (Member)

I thought Dark Shadows was a phenomenal score....one of his best for Burton. And Frankenweenie and Hitchcock had plenty to recommend them.

As for Fifty Shades, I skimmed a review of the soundtrack album in US Magazine (I know...), and it got the usual diss, "Only the concluding pair of score tracks by Danny Elfman will send you to sleep" which reviewers of mainstream songtracks always throw in if there's a token score track or suite included.

 
 Posted:   Feb 17, 2015 - 4:24 AM   
 By:   Juanki   (Member)



I can't find this exciting moment on the whole recording. What a dull score!

 
 Posted:   Feb 17, 2015 - 4:55 AM   
 By:   Shaun Rutherford   (Member)

Eh... I don't believe Elfman's been phoning it in these days. Those who honestly think that simply can't handle his more low key/intimate scores, imo. In other words not their cup of tea.

It's more that he has streamlined his sound, much in the same way most composers do at his age. You can't expect him to keep every second of his music interesting like his career highlights, such as Dolores Claiborne and Mission: Impossible, where there's always something going on. At the same time, maybe the colorful and inventive orchestrations are why I liked Elfman in the first place. Streamlined Elfman just comes off as bland. Maybe in another 10 years, when film music has devolved even more, this more recent stuff will blow my mind, like how even the worst late-90's score by Goldsmith does now.

 
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