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 Posted:   Mar 3, 2014 - 12:31 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Argumentum ad populum.

I don't care if the Pope likes it. I still don't find it good.

 
 Posted:   Mar 3, 2014 - 12:33 PM   
 By:   La La Land Records   (Member)

Argumentum ad populum.

I don't care if the Pope likes it. I still don't find it good.


And that is why you fail wink

MV

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 3, 2014 - 12:43 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Probably. Then again I was never cut out for the Hollywood mentality.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 3, 2014 - 12:45 PM   
 By:   Dylan S   (Member)

I haven't heard "Gravity" so I'll refrain from commenting on its worth (or lack of).

I have heard the "Frozen" song and I'm with Bruce Kimmel on that one. It was so atrocious that it inspired me to look through an entire list of Best Original Song winners from 1935 to the present. Turns out I've heard about 90% of them, and lo and behold they all make *perfect* sense to me from when the category was first introduced and "The Continental" won, and continuing on in 1938 with "Thanks For the Memories," or 1940 with "When You Wish Upon a Star," or 1942 with "White Christmas," or 1944 with "Swinging on a Star," or 1961 with "Moon River," etc. and this lasts all the way up through the eighties and into the nineties - from a historian's point of view (though still in my 20s I'm younger than some of those around these parts), Best Song generally was the best song, and represented the year very well. But the Best Songs of the last 10-15 years no longer seem like the year's best song, nor do they even seem representative of the year - all of those winners of the last 15 years bunched together just looks like a crisis, as if the Academy truly had no idea who to give it to or why.

 
 Posted:   Mar 3, 2014 - 12:50 PM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

Like Japan itself, it's terrified of confronting its war crimes, let alone any culpability and responsiblity.

Guess you never saw Godzilla (1954).

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 3, 2014 - 12:51 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

The last 15 years? There have been many great film songs in the Oscar category in that period, although not all of them became winners.

"Skyfall" last year was good. So was "Pi's Lullaby" (although it didn't win). "We Belong Together" in 2010 was fine. And let's not forget the absolutely fantastic "Into the West" from 2003. I like Eminem's "Lose Yourself" too.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 3, 2014 - 12:53 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

So glad you aren't running things in Hollywood
MV



Yeah, 'cause Hollywood is just so damn amazing to begin with.
roll eyes

 
 Posted:   Mar 3, 2014 - 12:55 PM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

So glad you aren't running things in Hollywood
MV



Yeah, 'cause Hollywood is just so damn amazing to begin with.
roll eyes


Like!

 
 Posted:   Mar 3, 2014 - 12:58 PM   
 By:   La La Land Records   (Member)

So glad you aren't running things in Hollywood
MV



Yeah, 'cause Hollywood is just so damn amazing to begin with.
roll eyes


If it wasn't so amazing then why are you even here on this board? Why do you love film and music so much...so much so that you comment on this board?

MV

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 3, 2014 - 1:06 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

If it wasn't so amazing then why are you even here on this board? Why do you love film and music so much...so much so that you comment on this board?
MV



I adore film and music.
Industry insiders who have to resort to infantile comments... not so much.
razz

 
 Posted:   Mar 3, 2014 - 1:08 PM   
 By:   La La Land Records   (Member)

If it wasn't so amazing then why are you even here on this board? Why do you love film and music so much...so much so that you comment on this board?
MV



I adore film and music.
Industry insiders who have to resort to infantile comments... not so much.
razz


You're the one being sarcastic. I'm just holding up the mirror

MV

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 3, 2014 - 1:23 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

You're the one being sarcastic. I'm just holding up the mirror
MV



I don't see you holding up a mirror. I saw you disparaging someone's opinion of a movie by implying that Hollywood could never be wrong.
You should already be well aware that a financially successful movie (or an Oscar for that matter) doesn't necessarily make it a good movie.

 
 Posted:   Mar 3, 2014 - 1:28 PM   
 By:   La La Land Records   (Member)

You're the one being sarcastic. I'm just holding up the mirror
MV



I don't see you holding up a mirror. I saw you disparaging someone's opinion of a movie by implying that Hollywood could never be wrong.


In a case like Frozen Hollywood is obviously not wrong. It's a financial and critical success. It has won a plethora of awards, including 2 Oscars. When you have BOTH things in your favor you are not a wretched film. It's simple basic facts.

There is nothing wrong with disliking a movie but berating it when things called "facts" get in the way of your personal tirade then YES one should be called out on their own words.

There is way too much hate on this board. Then again, this is a message board where pesky things like "facts" get in the way of one's own opinion.

MV

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 3, 2014 - 1:32 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

In a case like Frozen Hollywood is obviously not wrong. It's a financial and critical success. It has won a plethora of awards, including 2 Oscars. It's simple basic facts.
There is nothing wrong with disliking a movie but berating it when things called "facts" get in the way of your personal tirade then YES one should be called out on their own words.
There is way too much hate on this board.
MV



Ooh. Irony. smile

And what tirade? I was merely having a laugh based on your defense of Hollywood (for which Hollywood is thankful, by the way).

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 3, 2014 - 1:42 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

There is nothing wrong with disliking a movie but berating it when things called "facts" get in the way of your personal tirade then YES one should be called out on their own words.

If you're referring to me, I never set out to offer any 'facts'. It's merely my opinion. I thought that was fairly obvious. I even had an "IMO" in there.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 3, 2014 - 1:47 PM   
 By:   jwb   (Member)



A billion dollars and Oscars for Best Animated Film and Song begs to differ.

So glad you aren't running things in Hollywood

MV


Is there ever really much competition when it comes to animated films? And it is so saturated and bloated. Its usually Disney and Pixar fighting themselves, as they are both the same company. The only other big company that does animated films is Dreamworks.

Considering animated films are targeted for kids and kids like animated films and parents need to entertain them and parents need to go to these films as well, of course animated films make lots of money. I certainly don't think because an animated film makes lots of money it must not good. Not today anyway.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 3, 2014 - 1:48 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)



A billion dollars and Oscars for Best Animated Film and Song begs to differ.

So glad you aren't running things in Hollywood

MV


Is there ever really much competition when it comes to animated films? And it is so saturated and bloated. Its usually Disney and Pixar fighting themselves, as they are both the same company. The only other big company that does animated films is Dreamworks.

Considering animated films are targeted for kids and kids like animated films and parents need to entertain them and parents need to go to these films as well, of course animated films make lots of money.


Well, this year both THE WIND RISES and ERNEST AND CELESTINE were up against the Disney/Pixar/Dreamworks domination. And both of them far superior to the latter's output.

Oh, and in case it needs pointing out.......IN MY OPINION.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 3, 2014 - 1:52 PM   
 By:   jwb   (Member)



A billion dollars and Oscars for Best Animated Film and Song begs to differ.

So glad you aren't running things in Hollywood

MV


Is there ever really much competition when it comes to animated films? And it is so saturated and bloated. Its usually Disney and Pixar fighting themselves, as they are both the same company. The only other big company that does animated films is Dreamworks.

Considering animated films are targeted for kids and kids like animated films and parents need to entertain them and parents need to go to these films as well, of course animated films make lots of money.


Well, this year both THE WIND RISES and ERNEST AND CELESTINE were up against the Disney/Pixar/Dreamworks domination. And both of them far superior to the latter's output.


Yeah, but naturally the guys with the bigger marketing and distribution budgets do better. That's why I agree just because your film made a lot of money and won a few awards doesn't mean you are better than the other guy's.

 
 Posted:   Mar 3, 2014 - 2:09 PM   
 By:   La La Land Records   (Member)



A billion dollars and Oscars for Best Animated Film and Song begs to differ.

So glad you aren't running things in Hollywood

MV


Is there ever really much competition when it comes to animated films? And it is so saturated and bloated. Its usually Disney and Pixar fighting themselves, as they are both the same company. The only other big company that does animated films is Dreamworks.

Considering animated films are targeted for kids and kids like animated films and parents need to entertain them and parents need to go to these films as well, of course animated films make lots of money.


Well, this year both THE WIND RISES and ERNEST AND CELESTINE were up against the Disney/Pixar/Dreamworks domination. And both of them far superior to the latter's output.

Oh, and in case it needs pointing out.......IN MY OPINION.


lol

"The worst Disney film since the mid 80s"

In your opinion, is FROZEN worse than HOME ON THE RANGE? BOLT? MEET THE ROBINSONS? smile

MV

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 3, 2014 - 2:18 PM   
 By:   jwb   (Member)

IMHO, I'll watch BOLT before I'd re-watch FROZEN.

 
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