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Jul 29, 2014 - 10:45 AM
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GoblinScore
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Another problem with both of Giacchino's Trek scores is that the main theme - while memorable - doesn't seem to emotionally represent anything. Compare that with, say, Horner's Trek theme that perfectly captures the Hornblower-in-space feeling that Nick Meyer was going for, or the graceful nobility of the Goldsmith theme, and you'll see what I mean. Giacchino's main theme merely evokes a vague sense of "expectant build-up" towards something, and little else. The theme also sounds like it would be more befitting to a superhero movie than a Trek movie. Its overuse doesn't really help matters.
I hate to get on that bandwagon, but yes - the only things I end up thinking of when I hear Giacchino's ever present Trek main theme, is how inappropriate it is for this series (I think Dursin said it sounded like something that belonged in Batman?),how there is no 'B' section or really any counterpoint (at least none that could be spun into other motifs) that would really have helped things, what DOES this theme actually SAY - with all the freedom and time Giacchino had, this is what he came up with? Every time, and usually in that order.....so I can't listen to his Trek scores 
Had to vent, glad a few others agree with me - glad that everyone got an expanded on this at least, happy for you - its just too bad that theme didn't do anything more than.....well, I don't know what it does.
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Jul 29, 2014 - 10:54 AM
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Chris Avis
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I hate to get on that bandwagon, but yes - the only things I end up thinking of when I hear Giacchino's ever present Trek main theme, is how inappropriate it is for this series (I think Dursin said it sounded like something that belonged in Batman?),how there is no 'B' section or really any counterpoint (at least none that could be spun into other motifs) that would really have helped things, what DOES this theme actually SAY - with all the freedom and time Giacchino had, this is what he came up with? Every time, and usually in that order.....so I can't listen to his Trek scores
Had to vent, glad a few others agree with me - glad that everyone got an expanded on this at least, happy for you - its just too bad that theme didn't do anything more than.....well, I don't know what it does.
The main theme *is* definitely a weakness, though it doesn't completely ruin the scores for me. It's exuberant but not sophisticated and there's a few spots where it really pumps you up... I'm thinking in particular of the sequence where the Enterprise emerges from Titan's atmosphere in the first film. I feel that it would be a good subtheme in the score, but I wish that Giacchino had been able to write something along the lines of Horner's or Goldsmith's main theme for his work. His theme for Spock is quite lovely and ranks up there with the great work Horner and Eidelman did for the character.
Chris
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(I think Dursin said it sounded like something that belonged in Batman?)
Because it sounds kinda like Batman Forever.
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My favorite cue from both scores is one that was barely even used in the (first) movie - "Jehosafats."
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I suspected the standard jewel case based on the Varese artwork, and good news it is.
Also based on the content, I can retire my OST copy of the score.
As for the main theme, I happen to really like it. It is perfectly suited to the sense of adventure, fun and heroism that is at the heart of the JJ Abrams incarnation of Star Trek.
If one looks at TOS as it actually is, it is an action-adventure show, and itself had massive, strong themes in it's scoring.
The Gene Roddenberry utopian explorers thing was not really front and center until TNG.
The themes for Kirk and Spock are really more about those characters than anything else, and rightly so.
In looking at Star Trek vs. Into Darkness, I love both scores, but find Into Darkness to have a stronger antagonist theme (and a far stronger antagonist, two of them really), and the Klingon material is superb, making it for me the stronger score overall.
Think Star Wars (fantastic in its own right) and Empire (A fantastic evolution of existing themes with fantastic new ones).
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I think there really is a stylistic similarity between Gerald Fried’s Captain Kirk theme and Giacchino’s main theme. It’s all danger and action. In Giacchino’s case it’s mixed with some wistful longing.
Yeah, TOS was anything but Utopian.
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By the way it's not entirely complete. There's the so called bootleg that leaked early this year, and the VS release will not include 6m43A Spock to Spock and End Credits Part 2. Anyone know why this is? They provided the film version end credits, instead of the concert version I'm guessing..
The End Credits is understandable, IMHO, and the intended version is in the "would be nice" category.
Spock to Spock, if it's the scene I think it is, contains a nice rendition of Harrison's Theme that would be great.
There is so much fantastic music in this score that is not on the OST that I'll likely be geeking out big time when this CD arrives.
"London's Falling" sounds is a great progression from the family theme into Harrison's theme.
And the theme for Admiral Marcus is almost completely absent from the OST, but is an essential lynchpin of the score, reflecting the true heavy of the film.
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