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 Posted:   Feb 15, 2017 - 6:14 PM   
 By:   Jim Bailey   (Member)

Anybody else expecting Princess Leia's theme to feature prominently in the end titles?

Would be a fitting tribute to someone as iconic as Leia was.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 15, 2017 - 6:31 PM   
 By:   Adam S   (Member)

I personally doubt he would do that where the music is basically commenting on news that the audience is aware of outside the Star Wars universe. Then again, maybe her character will have an arc in the movie that might make it more appropriate.

- Adam

 
 Posted:   Feb 15, 2017 - 7:33 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

I personally doubt he would do that where the music is basically commenting on news that the audience is aware of outside the Star Wars universe.

Well, obviously, the character is in the movie, so the use of the theme would be appropriate regardless. I think that ending the credits with Leia's theme (perhaps intertwined with others, as he did so beautifully in "The Force Awakens") would be very appropriate. And by the time you're deep into the credits, reading the names of the stereoscopic compositors and assurances that no animals were harmed in the making of the movie, the audience is pretty much outside the Star Wars universe, anyway.

 
 Posted:   Feb 15, 2017 - 9:00 PM   
 By:   EdG   (Member)

I think for this film the "Luke And Leia" theme will probably be more appropriate.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 15, 2017 - 9:28 PM   
 By:   Adam S   (Member)

I personally doubt he would do that where the music is basically commenting on news that the audience is aware of outside the Star Wars universe.

Well, obviously, the character is in the movie, so the use of the theme would be appropriate regardless. I think that ending the credits with Leia's theme (perhaps intertwined with others, as he did so beautifully in "The Force Awakens") would be very appropriate. And by the time you're deep into the credits, reading the names of the stereoscopic compositors and assurances that no animals were harmed in the making of the movie, the audience is pretty much outside the Star Wars universe, anyway.


I'm not opposed to it necessarily and he could do a good job. But I do like that he treats the end credits as an extension of the movie and there is usually a narrative logic to how he starts and ends it such as the example of Force Awakens that you mention - even if there is only 5 people in the audience at that point. I'm just making a guess about what his approach would be based on a guess that her role is relatively more secondary in the movie. Could be wrong on either or both counts.

- Adam

 
 Posted:   Feb 15, 2017 - 9:30 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

Could be wrong on either or both counts.

As could I, certainly. So anybody hoping for a fistfight between us is going to be disappointed.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 16, 2017 - 5:52 AM   
 By:   Jim Bailey   (Member)

I personally doubt he would do that where the music is basically commenting on news that the audience is aware of outside the Star Wars universe. Then again, maybe her character will have an arc in the movie that might make it more appropriate.

- Adam


Yes true, it depends what direction they take with the character. I sure hope she isn't killed off. There are plenty of ways to write characters out of movies witnout killing them (which was my biggest complaint about The Force Awakens)

 
 Posted:   Feb 16, 2017 - 10:35 AM   
 By:   Warlok   (Member)


As could I, certainly. So anybody hoping for a fistfight between us is going to be disappointed.



smile

:l

frown

 
 Posted:   Feb 16, 2017 - 10:47 AM   
 By:   Mike Esssss   (Member)

As could I, certainly. So anybody hoping for a fistfight between us is going to be disappointed.

Whoops, guess I better take down the chalkboard and return all this money.

 
 Posted:   Feb 16, 2017 - 1:16 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

I sure hope she isn't killed off. There are plenty of ways to write characters out of movies witnout killing them (which was my biggest complaint about The Force Awakens)

If there are other ways in this case, I don't know them. Obviously, I have no real idea of the plot of this movie or the plan for Leia in this one and the next. But given her importance in the mix (sister of good guy, mother of bad guy), her absence from the climax is not easily explained away ("Oh yeah, she had to make a quick stop in the Dagobah System, and you know what the traffic is like."). There are many clever people working on it, and maybe there are options I don't see (or can't, given what I don't know), but it's a quandary.

I would also say that Han wasn't killed so he could be written out. It was a creative choice, and it made sense to me.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 16, 2017 - 1:20 PM   
 By:   Marcato   (Member)

they need to kill her off and they can do that in the crawl, if they just write her off it will be like the missing Joker in THE DARK KNIGH RISES

 
 Posted:   Feb 17, 2017 - 3:41 AM   
 By:   adamclark83   (Member)

I'd love to know if the Star Wars theme will get a new orchestration for the crawl, similar to how each movie in the OT were different, or the PT where it was the same throughout.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 17, 2017 - 4:46 AM   
 By:   Willgoldnewtonbarrygrusin   (Member)

It would have been great to have Leia in a final confrontation with her son who killed the love of her life, having deluded himself into thinking he is honouring his grandfather. This would really have closed that circle perfectly.

But... let´s face it. Leia had never really been part of the great confrontational scenes in any Star Wars movie - so I doubt that she now would have gotten that one final scene in Episode IX. That will probably go to Rey. Or, at least, it will go to Luke - which still will make a lot of sense since he was Vader´s big hope, instead bringing Vader down - and now, probably, being responsible for Kylo Ren´s rise.

Also, there are only two options here: to write her out, showing respect for Carrie Fisher, or to use a double and CGI to bring her back, which IMO would be horrible and wrong.

By the way - this just in: the German title for "THE LAST JEDI" is "Die letzten Jedi", using the plural. Which underlines that the film will not only focus on the one remaining (Luke).

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 17, 2017 - 5:26 AM   
 By:   townerbarry   (Member)

SPOILERS AHEAD!!!



It is all about Blue Milk

 
 Posted:   Feb 17, 2017 - 7:03 AM   
 By:   Adventures of Jarre Jarre   (Member)

  • It would have been great to have Leia in a final confrontation with her son who killed the love of her life, having deluded himself into thinking he is honouring his grandfather. This would really have closed that circle perfectly.

    But... let´s face it. Leia had never really been part of the great confrontational scenes in any Star Wars movie - so I doubt that she now would have gotten that one final scene in Episode IX. That will probably go to Rey. Or, at least, it will go to Luke - which still will make a lot of sense since he was Vader´s big hope, instead bringing Vader down - and now, probably, being responsible for Kylo Ren´s rise.

    Also, there are only two options here: to write her out, showing respect for Carrie Fisher, or to use a double and CGI to bring her back, which IMO would be horrible and wrong.

    By the way - this just in: the German title for "THE LAST JEDI" is "Die letzten Jedi", using the plural. Which underlines that the film will not only focus on the one remaining (Luke).


    I'm guessing that the reason Luke abandoned Kylo and Rey was because they were so adept at the Force, they required only the barest of training to excel in their skills, whether it's telepathy or piloting starships or otherwise. With so much power gained with so little wisdom, this could make them both dangerous, and with Kylo's betrayal, both had to be abandoned as Luke went into exile to assure their stagnation. Of course, this is one of a thousand questions left up in the air, in Disney all-too-obvious theatrical TV series franchise.

    As for CG Leia, "horrible" perhaps, but "wrong"? Depends if Billie Lourd and the estate give their approval, as was similarly sought for Cushing's likeness in Rogue One. Whatever happens, happens.

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     Posted:   Feb 17, 2017 - 7:17 AM   
     By:   Shaun Rutherford   (Member)

    I have pretty much the best idea about how to send off Leia and have it work within the story, but strangely, no one has called me.

     
     
     Posted:   Feb 17, 2017 - 7:44 AM   
     By:   Thgil   (Member)

    Another interesting wrinkle to this is that Williams is now working with STAR WARS directors who grew up deifying him, who perhaps feel more compelled to defer to him or at least include him in more creative decisions than a peer like Lucas did.

    Lucas respected Williams' decisions (for the most part) in the original trilogy. The butchering of his music in the prequels was yet another indication that he had changed as a director. In my opinion anyway. In the commentary track for Inner Space, Joe Dante said that the best way to work with someone as talented as Goldsmith is to leave them alone. It's quite possible that this mentality is at play behind the scenes of The Last Jedi.

     
     Posted:   Feb 17, 2017 - 8:34 AM   
     By:   LeHah   (Member)

    I'd love to know if the Star Wars theme will get a new orchestration for the crawl, similar to how each movie in the OT were different, or the PT where it was the same throughout.

    The PT was the same because Lucas asked the same recording (1998) be used in all three of the prequel films. Definitely one of his stranger musical requests (along with the reuse of the TPM music during most of the Arena battle in AOTC)

     
     Posted:   Feb 17, 2017 - 9:29 AM   
     By:   darthbrett   (Member)

    I think Disney already confirmed that they would not do a CG Leia for Epis. IX.

    Now - here's an interesting thought. What if Leia already dies in Epis. VIII?; meaning Leia's death was filmed and her being in Epis. 9 was a non-issue factor before Carrie passed but Disney won't acknowledge that to avoid a possible unintended spoiler reveal.

     
     
     Posted:   Feb 17, 2017 - 9:30 AM   
     By:   Matt S.   (Member)

    I'd love to know if the Star Wars theme will get a new orchestration for the crawl, similar to how each movie in the OT were different, or the PT where it was the same throughout.

    I think the orchestration was changed slightly before TESB, but has been the same for all films after that. It's just that it was newly recorded for each film (aside from the prequels, which as LeHah mentioned used the TPM recording for all three). I hope it is newly recorded again for The Last Jedi, as I feel the TFA recording was a little weak in the low brass; I could barely hear the trombones and tubas.

     
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