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 Posted:   Jun 15, 2017 - 3:49 PM   
 By:   cormoranstrike   (Member)

I'm gonna put myself on mastersofuniverse and thor's side of this argument. Elfman is one of my fav composers, but I personally hate that the MCU films have no musical continuity and now it seems the DCCU is going the same route.

The lack of musical continuity in early MCU can be traced to the doorsteps of one person: Ike Perlmutter, the infamous penny pincher. But as of September 2015, he is no longer calling the shots at MCU, and that is why things are changing on that front and composers returning (like Silvestri coming back for Avengers 3 & 4).

As for DC films, so far they have had musical continuity from film to film (examples like RGW using Zimmer's theme in Wonder Woman), so there is no reason to expect things to change with Justice League even if a new composer is coming on board. Remains to be seen.

 
 Posted:   Jun 15, 2017 - 3:58 PM   
 By:   Advise & Consent   (Member)

Well, fantastic. So we're going to hear a mishmash of Batman, Sleepy Hollow, Corpse Bride, Big Eyes, Oz, Dark Shadows, Alice in Wonderland, and Frankenweenie.

Really? Even better news than I thought.

 
 Posted:   Jun 15, 2017 - 4:05 PM   
 By:   cormoranstrike   (Member)

Was this, perhaps, then what Elfman did on the other generic superhero film, but Tyler had too much clout to get fully replaced?

Maybe too much clout, or perhaps would've been completely replaced on Avengers 2, but there was simply not enough time left. Elfman was called in at the last minute, with two weeks to go, to write additional cues to "save the film", is what I read. Also, I seem to recall reading here that Marvel was angry with Tyler because he was supposed to be working 100% on Avengers, but was in fact also working on Furious 7 at the same time. That is why, after doing several scores for Marvel and having seemingly become their "main guy", he was suddenly let go and never returned.

 
 Posted:   Jun 15, 2017 - 4:57 PM   
 By:   SBD   (Member)

*reads through last twenty or so comments*

Y'know, there just wasn't enough piss on this parade. Thanks, guys!

 
 Posted:   Jun 15, 2017 - 5:02 PM   
 By:   Advise & Consent   (Member)

*reads through last twenty or so comments*

Y'know, there just wasn't enough piss on this parade. Thanks, guys!


Agreed. On the other hand it doesn't matter because Elfman has the gig regardless of the naysayers. Looking forward to this new work.

 
 Posted:   Jun 15, 2017 - 5:53 PM   
 By:   mastadge   (Member)

Captain America -- the most individual thematic continuity, with Silvestri's theme for The First Avenger being referenced early in The Winter Soldier, and Civil War continuing the Winter Soldier material (which I didn't care for), but disappointingly not this for whatever reason (my favorite part of the Winter Soldier score):

It was also referenced by Tyler in Thor: The Dark World.

 
 Posted:   Jun 15, 2017 - 7:21 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

Was this, perhaps, then what Elfman did on the other generic superhero film, but Tyler had too much clout to get fully replaced?

No composer has the clout to say "You can't replace my work," much less "You have to keep at least some of it!" It seems fairly clear that the rescoring of the second "Avengers" movie was a matter of triage. Elfman tackled the sickest scenes first, and couldn't tackle them all. (Plus, they may have liked some of Tyler's work.)

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 16, 2017 - 2:28 AM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

"He just hops to another composer over and over again. One might argue that a composer he worked with prior was busy and had to get somebody else"
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Maybe it's the composers who work with Whedon and think 'F*ck that, I'm not coming back again to spend time with that @rse wipe, Life's too short' wink
Elfman must be made of sterner stuff.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 16, 2017 - 3:02 AM   
 By:   Randy Watson   (Member)

Prepare to be passed on the next Whedon film, Danny boy.

Not every director works with the same composer over and over again. James Mangold usually turns to a different composer for each new film. Same with John McTiernan and Wolfgang Petersen to name a few.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 16, 2017 - 5:32 AM   
 By:   KeoNato   (Member)

Prepare to be passed on the next Whedon film, Danny boy.

Not every director works with the same composer over and over again. James Mangold usually turns to a different composer for each new film. Same with John McTiernan and Wolfgang Petersen to name a few.


Not to quibble but Mangold has worked with Beltrami three times now.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 16, 2017 - 10:11 AM   
 By:   John Mullin   (Member)

Where is it written that a filmmaker has to be monogamous to a particular composer? Or that it's a sign that the collaboration didn't go well if he/she is not?

Richard Donner rarely worked with the same composer twice (not counting the Lethal Weapon sequels)... the result has been a lot of great soundtracks for a very diverse group of movies.

 
 Posted:   Jun 16, 2017 - 2:48 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Otto Preminger seemed to work with a different composer each time, yet he had great taste in picking a diverse array of composers to work with, and each of them tended to produce some of their best work for him, with Paul Glass's Bunny Lake Is Missing, Jerry Goldsmith's In Harm's Way, Ernest Gold's Exodus...plus Hugo Montenegro's Hurry Sundown being his magnum opus.

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Jun 16, 2017 - 3:22 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

Where is it written that a filmmaker has to be monogamous to a particular composer? Or that it's a sign that the collaboration didn't go well if he/she is not?

Thank you! I've been wondering the same thing. If I admire a variety of composers, is it wrong for a film director to feel the same way?

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 17, 2017 - 2:33 AM   
 By:   DannyBiker   (Member)

Nobody whines when a director works with a different cinematographer or editor indeed...

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 17, 2017 - 4:38 AM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

Yes we do. I and many others have wanted Spielberg to kick Kaminski on regular occasions.

 
 Posted:   Jun 17, 2017 - 10:07 AM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

Nobody whines when a director works with a different cinematographer or editor indeed...

That's because I suspect a number of people here are like me: we are film score fans and don't care about the cinematographer hired (unless it's a known shakey-cam user).

Plus, I've never heard Whedon express his love of a cinematographer's work or that he wept at a cinematographer's efforts. And Whedon never was a cinematographer on one of his projects, as he was a score composer on one, foregoing any composer at all and using himself as if he was Streisand.

 
 Posted:   Jun 17, 2017 - 10:33 AM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

Gee, Justin – can't Whedon love many composers?

I love tuna salad sandwiches, but that doesn't mean that's all I ever want to eat.

 
 Posted:   Jun 17, 2017 - 10:51 AM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

Gee, yes. But after his heaps of praise, yet constant change in composers, I smell something fishy.

 
 Posted:   Jun 17, 2017 - 2:20 PM   
 By:   TM   (Member)

Gee, yes. But after his heaps of praise, yet constant change in composers, I smell something fishy.

The best creative choice isn’t always to be inflexible. Whedon uses plenty of the same folk on his pet projects. The Avengers thing was obviously about the studio wanting to use Tyler instead of Silvestri, and Whedon getting a chance to go a different way at the last possible moment. As to not using Silvestri, I couldn’t see this kind of movie working with his kind of score. And a lot of it is just plain scheduling too, plus only certain "name" brand recognition composers a studio will let touch a big tentpole flick.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 21, 2017 - 11:47 AM   
 By:   MClayton   (Member)

With the exception of Wonder Woman, the DCEU scores have been recorded in Los Angeles. Will Justice League follow suit, or will the studio opt for cost-effectiveness? JL was filmed primarily in London (along with the reshoots) so it wouldn't surprise me if the latter happened.

 
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