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 Posted:   Dec 11, 2018 - 5:14 AM   
 By:   AdoKrycha007   (Member)

He's a MAIN producer and a screenwriter!

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 11, 2018 - 5:14 AM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

"a filmmaker whose personal influence and artistic control over a movie are so great that the filmmaker is regarded as the author of the movie."

Snyder is not in this list
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_film_auteurs

 
 Posted:   Dec 11, 2018 - 5:25 AM   
 By:   spielboy   (Member)

He's a MAIN producer and a screenwriter!

plus he's EVERYWHERE in the worldwide marketing campaign (hardly "just the screenwriter"...)

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 11, 2018 - 5:29 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Snyder is not in this list
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_film_auteurs


Nor is every auteur since the dawn of time. Google 'Snyder' and 'auteur', you'll see that many have found pleasure in analyzing his trademarks in recent years. And I agree -- love him or hate him, he's one of the most iconic and most recognizable directors of his generation, using the full mayhem of contemporary Hollywood FX towards his unique vision.

 
 Posted:   Dec 11, 2018 - 5:52 AM   
 By:   AdoKrycha007   (Member)

plus he's EVERYWHERE in the worldwide marketing campaign (hardly "just the screenwriter"...)

exactly!

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 11, 2018 - 5:55 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Of course he's being used in the marketing. He's the biggest name involved! But that's not really a criterion for judging someone's creative involvement. Film companies always use the biggest names for this, even if they've only been marginally involved. In this case, Jackson is more involved than just 'marginal', of course, but still not enough to carry the full blame for the film's shortcomings. Blame primarily director Rivers and whatever 'suits' meddled in the creative process.

 
 Posted:   Dec 11, 2018 - 6:16 AM   
 By:   AdoKrycha007   (Member)

Producer is more powerful than director !
And he's a producer and a screenwriter.

 
 Posted:   Dec 11, 2018 - 6:31 AM   
 By:   spielboy   (Member)

film director, screenwriters, casting, production designer, cinematographer, editor, visual FX... all this crew come from Peter Jackson's LOTR, HOBBIT and KONG films. And he got the book rights 10 years ago

I think the man IS quite involved , dont know why you prefer to blame the invisible "suits" first

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 11, 2018 - 7:35 AM   
 By:   SoldierofFortune   (Member)

The score is a remix of "Brothers In Arms" track from Fury Road..
This guy is Uwe Boll of film music roll eyes



If Mad Max has choir...

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 11, 2018 - 7:48 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

film director, screenwriters, casting, production designer, cinematographer, editor, visual FX... all this crew come from Peter Jackson's LOTR, HOBBIT and KONG films. And he got the book rights 10 years ago

I think the man IS quite involved , dont know why you prefer to blame the invisible "suits" first


Because it makes no sense to put all the blame on a guy who didn't direct the film, or when you consider the wheels that are in motion for creating a blockbuster like this, with all the considerations for target audience, money on the table etc.

There is nothing wrong with Jackson's screenplay. If he has any blame, it would be that he didn't 'supervise' the realization of that screenplay more thouroughly as one of several producers. That's it.

 
 Posted:   Dec 11, 2018 - 3:23 PM   
 By:   spielboy   (Member)

I dont put "all the blame" on him, I just responded to your previous comments

Of course he's being used in the marketing. He's the biggest name involved! (...) Film companies always use the biggest names for this

To be fair, he didn't direct it. Only wrote the screenplay

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 11, 2018 - 3:57 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Yeah, I know. We disagree on the degree of blame here. If anything, Jackson is "third in line" as far as blame is concerned, IMO.

Also, with all this talk about blame, I should point that I do think the film has several redeeming values. It's not a turkey or anything. It's just disappointing.

 
 Posted:   Dec 11, 2018 - 4:53 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

Yeah, I know. We disagree on the degree of blame here. If anything, Jackson is "third in line" as far as blame is concerned, IMO.

You'll forgive me, but I think this is a silly game. Why does "blame" affect the movie? The movie works for you or it doesn't. If you financed the film, maybe you look for who to blame, so you don't make the same mistake. But why should we?

In my opinion, only obsessive fans look to deflect blame from their favorite filmmakers, because they want to believe them incapable of failing otherwise. But all great filmmakers misstep. Hitchcock, Chaplin, Fellini, Spielberg, Polanski… I could go on and on, they've made brilliant films but they've also blown it sometimes. That's because they're human beings, and they take chances, and films are complicated animals and sometimes they just don't come out they way you'd hoped.

Can I blame Jackson for the dreary "Hobbit" movies? How about "King Kong," or "The Lovely Bones"?

Honestly, it's a knee jerk response to blame those imagined "suits" who meddled in what would surely have been brilliance. I get it – in my job in television, I deal with suits every day. And sometimes they're destructive (in my opinion), and other times they help, and more often than not, they're just a nuisance.

But come on. Even Willie Mays dropped the ball sometimes. Doesn't mean he wasn't a great baseball player.

 
 Posted:   Dec 11, 2018 - 4:53 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

Double post. I mean, I think I'm worth it, but still.

 
 Posted:   Dec 11, 2018 - 5:57 PM   
 By:   TM   (Member)

Double post. I mean, I think I'm worth it, but still.

Ahahahaha

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 12, 2018 - 2:00 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Can I blame Jackson for the dreary "Hobbit" movies? How about "King Kong," or "The Lovely Bones"?

Of course. He actually DIRECTED those movies (strongly disagree about the merits of those, btw -- only misfire is the third HOBBIT film). He did NOT direct MORTAL ENGINES. Crucial difference. MORTAL ENGINES is no more a Peter Jackson film than, say, CABIN IN THE WOODS is a Josh Whedon film or MAN OF STEEL is a Christopher Nolan film.

So when someone posts "What a disaster by Peter Jackson", I think that's a statement that requires some nuance, at the very least. Don't you?

 
 Posted:   Dec 12, 2018 - 9:56 AM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

You are right, Thor. (Except about the Hobbit movies.) I was being strident.

Don't get me wrong – I do believe it's silly to expend too much energy ordering blame. We don't know how this film came about.

I'm not an auteurist myself, which I'll admit is self-serving. (I'm still stinging from a review of a television show I did ten years ago. I'd scripted a camera move, which I then had to cajole the directors into actually doing. And then a newspaper critic gushed about how the directors did their best to gussy up my limp script with clever camerawork like the exact thing I'd scripted and convinced them to do!)

Regardless, there was a time when Steven Spielberg was the brand on a half-dozen films he produced (but didn't direct) every year, and he got credit when they were good and blame when they weren't. It comes with the territory. Jackson's name is the brand for this film (as was Whedon's for "Cabin in the Woods," though I don't recall Nolan being especially prominent in any "Man of Steel" marketing), so fair or not (and I have no idea), he'll be credited or blamed for a lot of it.

 
 Posted:   Dec 12, 2018 - 12:43 PM   
 By:   spielboy   (Member)

MORTAL ENGINES is no more a Peter Jackson film than, say, CABIN IN THE WOODS is a Josh Whedon film

ouch, bad comparative example smile

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 12, 2018 - 2:41 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

MORTAL ENGINES is no more a Peter Jackson film than, say, CABIN IN THE WOODS is a Josh Whedon film

ouch, bad comparative example smile


Why?

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 14, 2018 - 4:36 AM   
 By:   SoldierofFortune   (Member)

I'm listen the score and by far, one of the best by Tom

Beautiful choir, heavy action and themes (that Terminator-esque theme for Shrike with that emotional spin or Hester's theme and his variations in Shan Guo, is gorgeous)

 
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