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 Posted:   Jul 10, 2006 - 3:26 PM   
 By:   dalekmindprobe   (Member)



I don't really think it's an opinion of whether or not POTC 2 is a film score. It is a film score.


Ok thanks!

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 11, 2006 - 2:41 PM   
 By:   Kev McGann   (Member)

Just saw it last night and (kinda) liked it.
I wasn't a huge fan of the first one, apart from Depp who salvaged it for me. Knightley and Bloom just annoyed me in 1 as did the English baddies (though they were slightly more believable than the cartoon ones from The Patriot) and Badelt's (???) score was terrible.
This one, though ridiculously overlong, was generally good fun and the score sounded miles better (though did I hear Kilar's Dracula a few times?) this time 'round. There was more variation and I could have sworn I heard the orchestra a couple of times. The tinkly locket theme was nice and the jig cue good fun.
Although I knew 3 was on the way, there were a few surprised (and angry) looks from the plebs when the lights went up...Oops, guess no one told them this was a link film.
It was chocker though (unusual in the cinema these days) and everyone seemed to be enjoying themselves.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 11, 2006 - 7:12 PM   
 By:   Jillian   (Member)

I didn't find the sequel to be amazing...I liked the first POTC,...this one seemed to drag and was more circuitous of a story. There were some good jokes, some good action but they seemed to be more of separate entities than a contribution to the movie as a whole. It's just bothersome because some details seemed to have been left out. I wish there was more focus on the actual storyline and the background. I guess I'll have to wait for the third one to come out.

Now...onto Zimmer and his...crew. lol, I found the score once again to be bottom shelf. Of course the theme is going to be used again and ornaments will be added here and there to "spice it up." That's what happens with most sequels. However, there's this one cue that we first hear in the original Pirates when Jack and Will are trying to steal a boat, so they both hide under a row-boat sneaking around in the water. As if that cue wasn't over-used enough in the first Pirates, they had to take and over-use it once again in the second Pirates. I actually kind of liked this cue when I first heard it. It was cool the second time, okay the third time...and then...well, I don't think I need to go on.
One of the cues that I kind of liked in the sequel was the one when Davy Jones was playing his organ. However, I would've wished for a fuller more cathedral organ type sound. That's just my opinion/preference.
I hold no bias towards the movie when I watch it because I'm not a Zimmer fan. But afterwards it's just the same old thing...another Zimmer score...another rough, testosterone-fueled thing punched out and spoiled. Machine produced, mass production, nothing special.
Yes, I'm harsh, but...oh well. big grin

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 11, 2006 - 11:38 PM   
 By:   MarkB   (Member)

Did anyone else think the "Kraken" theme (at least as heard in the film -- haven't heard the album) sounded a lot like Led Zepplin's "Kashmir." Not accusing anyone of plagiarism, but that's all I could think of each time that theme started up in the movie.

Mark

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 11, 2006 - 11:50 PM   
 By:   Jillian   (Member)

Yes and no...it has almost exactly the same bassline as Kashmir, but then again Kashmir also reminds me of "The Planets" to some extent.
I wouldn't put it past Zimmer, but I don't believe that he had Kashmir in mind when he was writing this theme.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 12, 2006 - 11:09 AM   
 By:   sergioleone   (Member)

a complete SHIT!

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 13, 2006 - 2:59 AM   
 By:   bondo321   (Member)

a complete SHIT!


I think I speak for the entire musical and literary community when I say your opinion is greatly appreciated, and we value your insightful input. I truly believe we are all better people now, having heard it.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 13, 2006 - 7:48 AM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

I gotta say, and this is shameful, that I'm totally addicted to the Kraken cue. A minor-key adrenaline rush: it's just great! I must have played it a good dozen times this week alone!

The rest... well it's better than the first score. Less deafening too! But yes, my interest does tend to wane slightly towards the end.

I still think the film is somewhat overrated (apart from Keira obviously).

John

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 13, 2006 - 3:18 PM   
 By:   bondo321   (Member)

Don't be ashamed John! You're not exactly the most outspoken fan of Zimmer's, so it's cool to see you enjoy even a little of his music.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 14, 2006 - 12:40 PM   
 By:   Filmscorecollecter   (Member)



I still think the film is somewhat overrated (apart from Keira obviously).

John


Of course, John! wink

You just don't like Giacchino! Hey, at least you liked some of Zimmer's score!

I saw the film last night and was surprised at the ending even though I knew a third installment was on the way. Depp and Bloom put on good performances and Knightley was alright given the situation and her character.
The music, in my mind, was great. The waltz cue and the one sea-faring theme were great. I ordered the CD.

By the way: Wednesday night on "Jay Leno" selections from "POTC" and Kaper's "Mutiny on the Bounty" were used in a piece! wink

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 14, 2006 - 10:13 PM   
 By:   Filmscorecollecter   (Member)

a complete SHIT!

Whoa.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 15, 2006 - 4:05 AM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

Don't be ashamed John! You're not exactly the most outspoken fan of Zimmer's, so it's cool to see you enjoy even a little of his music.

Oh I like quite a lot of Zimmer's stuff, particularly his early scores, almost everything up to and including Broken Arrow - plus a few others. I just object to the concept and realisation of Media Ventures!

I'm just hoping HE wrote the Kraken stuff! Who can tell...?

JR

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 15, 2006 - 2:36 PM   
 By:   bondo321   (Member)

I'm just hoping HE wrote the Kraken stuff! Who can tell...?

JR



I would imagine that much of the new material is Zimmer's doing, namely the new themes for Davy Jones, the Kraken, Jack Sparrow, and the East India Trading Co.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 15, 2006 - 2:48 PM   
 By:   Filmscorecollecter   (Member)




I would imagine that much of the new material is Zimmer's doing, namely the new themes for Davy Jones, the Kraken, Jack Sparrow, and the East India Trading Co.


Great theme for Sparrow.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 15, 2006 - 5:21 PM   
 By:   bondo321   (Member)

According to Geoff Zanelli's site (one of the additional composers on POTC 1), he wrote the Cannibal Island theme and Tia Dalma's theme, and composers Tom Gire and John Sponsler wrote "Wheel of Fortune".

 
 Posted:   Jul 15, 2006 - 8:46 PM   
 By:   Dana Wilcox   (Member)

After enjoying the first POTC, I found this one to be as lacking in direction as Jack Sparrow's ship, and irritatingly loud to boot. This includes the score (which easily qualified as "bombast" by the dictionary's definition). I didn't care whether Kira and Orlando got back together again, and was in general disappointed by the comparative lack (aside from the sequence with the cannibals) of Johnny Depp and his humor, which is the real strength of the series. *Really* dumb plot this time, earwash score, and who really cares what happens to Orlando Bloom anyway? I didn't expect to dislike this, but there you have it.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 15, 2006 - 10:13 PM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

After enjoying the first POTC, I found this one to be as lacking in direction as Jack Sparrow's ship, and irritatingly loud to boot. This includes the score (which easily qualified as "bombast" by the dictionary's definition). I didn't care whether Kira and Orlando got back together again, and was in general disappointed by the comparative lack (aside from the sequence with the cannibals) of Johnny Depp and his humor, which is the real strength of the series. *Really* dumb plot this time, earwash score, and who really cares what happens to Orlando Bloom anyway? I didn't expect to dislike this, but there you have it.

It was better than Superman Returns. But only just.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 16, 2006 - 8:09 AM   
 By:   Reeler   (Member)

Save your money people.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 11, 2014 - 2:56 PM   
 By:   ShadowStar   (Member)

I loved the part where Jack Sparrow ran across the rope bridge on the island of cannibals. Is that part represented on this score?

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 11, 2014 - 5:11 PM   
 By:   bondo321   (Member)

Unfortunately no. A good bit of the Cannibal Island music is composed by Geoff Zanelli and remains unreleased. Luckily you can grab a few extra minutes from his official site:

http://www.geoffzanelli.com/projects/pirates-of-the-caribbean-dead-mans-chest/

The expanded/complete version of this score is a HUGE improvement over the OST.

 
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