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 Posted:   Jan 20, 2008 - 6:57 PM   
 By:   Rozsaphile   (Member)

I sometimes wonder if the movie POPE JOAN isn't as mythical as the "historical" character it purports to depict.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 20, 2008 - 10:47 PM   
 By:   JSWalsh   (Member)

" As for the fake columns on non-existent composers, I thought they were amusing and harmless..."

Page Cook was the Max Bellochio of his time!

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 20, 2008 - 10:56 PM   
 By:   philip*eric   (Member)

Page Cook was extremely influential in my love of 'filmusic' so despite his sometimes odd/misleading columns , he was an important figure for nearly 30 years for soundtrack music fans.
Just like Joecaps and Manderley , I think how thrilled Page Cook would be today at the world of classic movie dvds and soundtrack cds. He wrote to me once after I sent a letter to the editor about THE GREATEST STORY EVER TOLD and I was so pleased this man whose column I read religiously contacted me. He even offered to make me a tape copy of the GSET tracks he had but which I had purchased from Miklos Rozsa Society .
Does anyone have a picture of Charles they can share? I never saw one of him and was always curiuous ...

 
 Posted:   Jan 21, 2008 - 1:59 AM   
 By:   Steve Johnson   (Member)

" As for the fake columns on non-existent composers, I thought they were amusing and harmless..."

Page Cook was the Max Bellochio of his time!


LOL! Thank God there was no Internet back then. People might have really bought the crap.

No offense intended to Mr B. You sir, know how to peddle fiction.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 21, 2008 - 3:03 AM   
 By:   John Smith   (Member)

"Page Cook was the Max Bellochio of his time!"

An earlier counterpart of Clifford Irving, Stephen Glass and Jayson Blair, perhaps? The crucial difference, however, between Page Cook and these high-profile fraudsters is that Page Cook was (by and large) tongue-in-cheek with his fabrications, and, as Manderley has pointed out, a lot of Cook’s readers were clearly in on the joke.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 21, 2008 - 3:06 AM   
 By:   JSWalsh   (Member)

"Page Cook was the Max Bellochio of his time!"

An earlier counterpart of Clifford Irving, Stephen Glass and Jayson Blair, perhaps?


Well, none of them gave me anything I enjoyed reading, so, NO! wink

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 21, 2008 - 3:52 AM   
 By:   John Smith   (Member)

"Page Cook was the Max Bellochio of his time!"

An earlier counterpart of Clifford Irving, Stephen Glass and Jayson Blair, perhaps?


Well, none of them gave me anything I enjoyed reading, so, NO! wink



I beg to differ. Stephen Glass’s articles made compelling reading, especially the infamous “Hack Heaven”. The man certainly knew how to spin a yarn!

Incidentally, I loved Mychael Danna’s understated score for “Shattered Glass.”

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 21, 2008 - 5:17 AM   
 By:   adilson   (Member)

We can not charge taste of the world, I think that that person was the case, the criticism about Jarre and many others are stupid

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 21, 2008 - 5:43 AM   
 By:   franz_conrad   (Member)

I think we should raise a fund for Max to get some top people to engineer enough evidence for him to write the first retrospective book on the ALAN FIVEHOUSE franchise. Clearly no-one else is more qualified.

 
 Posted:   Jan 21, 2008 - 9:15 AM   
 By:   Jon A. Bell   (Member)

A very odd duck, any way you look at him. His glowing liner notes for the Gerhardt Alfred Newman release and his subsequent scathing pan of the album in FIR certainly fit the pattern.

Every time a "Page Cook" FSM thread is posted, and I learn more details about him, my disgust for this delusional idiot increases exponentially.

His "reviews" largely consisted of juvenile insults ("meandering droolings" was a tiresome favorite), and all evidence suggests the guy was in genuine need of mental help.

-- Jon

 
 Posted:   Jan 21, 2008 - 11:19 AM   
 By:   Steve Johnson   (Member)

A very odd duck, any way you look at him. His glowing liner notes for the Gerhardt Alfred Newman release and his subsequent scathing pan of the album in FIR certainly fit the pattern.

Every time a "Page Cook" FSM thread is posted, and I learn more details about him, my disgust for this delusional idiot increases exponentially.

His "reviews" largely consisted of juvenile insults ("meandering droolings" was a tiresome favorite), and all evidence suggests the guy was in genuine need of mental help.

-- Jon



He was definitely a few fries short of a Happy Meal. In retrospect though, who gives a damn what his opinions about anything were?

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 21, 2008 - 11:47 AM   
 By:   Rozsaphile   (Member)

Remember Manderly's astute comment about two personalities? One of them did a lot of good. Maybe you need to have "been there" (i.e.. been around during the 1960s) to really appreciate PC/CB and his contributions to film music.

 
 Posted:   Jan 21, 2008 - 12:01 PM   
 By:   mistermike   (Member)

My favorite Cook comment was in reference to Maurice Jarre's score for a film about the prophet Mohammed, where Cook suggested that some terrorists who took control of a building in Washington, D.C. did so because they were so incensed by Jarre's score to this film.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 21, 2008 - 4:30 PM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)


His "reviews" largely consisted of juvenile insults ("meandering droolings" was a tiresome favorite), and all evidence suggests the guy was in genuine need of mental help.

-- Jon


Sounds like it's time for another round of Page Cook's blasts, these from 1971-72:

Escape From the Planet of the Apes (Goldsmith) - "not worth discussing"

Mary, Queen of Scots (Barry) - "Barry, who virtually refuses to acknowledge music has had a past, scarely even tries in this score for verisimilitude. ... Barry's main theme for Mary is equally dismal. ... Barry supplies several harpsichord variations and one oboe solo over the melodic line in an attempt to get some life into the listless drone, but to no avail."

Straw Dogs (Fielding) - "rather poor in conception and execution."

Young Winston (Alfred Ralston) - "[Ralston's] psudeo-Edwardian main theme ... is a trite, diluted and meandering sludge. Its implications are impossible to divine."

And some short takes from other 1972 films:
Two English Girls (Delerue) - "conspicuously banal"
The Getaway (Quincy Jones) - "improvised junk"
Duck, You Sucker (Morricone) - "silly"
Hammersmith Is Out (Frontiere) - "drivelling"
The Godfather (Rota) - "inept"
Fellini's Roma (Rota) "a sad sign-post of Rota's crumbling musicality"
A Separate Peace (Charles Fox) - "dreary and sentimental"
Child's Play (Michael Small) - a "barrage of noise"

 
 Posted:   Jan 22, 2008 - 2:02 PM   
 By:   WILLIAMDMCCRUM   (Member)

" As for the fake columns on non-existent composers, I thought they were amusing and harmless..."

Page Cook was the Max Bellochio of his time!


LOL! Thank God there was no Internet back then. People might have really bought the crap.

No offense intended to Mr B. You sir, know how to peddle fiction.


Thank God there WAS no internet back then: people would have destroyed him with half-baked misinterpretations. When I read Cook, I see a chap with his tongue in his cheek, ADOPTING a stance that is Wildean and ironic.

I think some of you chaps are a bit like the folk who go to public court hearings and hiss at the defense lawyers from the balcony! They are only doing their job, and, like in a 2-party government system, you have to have people who PUT THE CASE for a certain argument, especially if that argument is under-represented.

Cook knew that others would disagree, and it was the debate that he relished. You all act as though he were maligning your ancestors or defending Hitler. He put a point, enjoyed doing it and knew he was part of a DEBATE. When something goes into print it is concretised, 'The letter kills', but I'm sure he was more than that. It was a feeler, a 'throw it out and see' approach. How many realised he was so young? I never did, and I find that fun. He WANTED to be hated as much as loved. And if he never was paid, he could pretty much say as he liked! At least he could use words: many reviewers today can't even spell.

Joe Caps has said he seems to have been very generous in real life. Maybe the persona was a compensation, but he was probably a person who FELT a great deal, hence both the vitriol AND the generosity. At least he said something, and worried where film-music was going. And he was just as hard on the old traditionalists when they were bombastic or superfluous or cliched.

Th clue is in the non de plume ... he 'cooked' the pages. With spices and heat.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 22, 2008 - 2:31 PM   
 By:   philip*eric   (Member)

" As for the fake columns on non-existent composers, I thought they were amusing and harmless..."

Page Cook was the Max Bellochio of his time!


LOL! Thank God there was no Internet back then. People might have really bought the crap.

No offense intended to Mr B. You sir, know how to peddle fiction.


Thank God there WAS no internet back then: people would have destroyed him with half-baked misinterpretations. When I read Cook, I see a chap with his tongue in his cheek, ADOPTING a stance that is Wildean and ironic.

I think some of you chaps are a bit like the folk who go to public court hearings and hiss at the defense lawyers from the balcony! They are only doing their job, and, like in a 2-party government system, you have to have people who PUT THE CASE for a certain argument, especially if that argument is under-represented.

Cook knew that others would disagree, and it was the debate that he relished. You all act as though he were maligning your ancestors or defending Hitler. He put a point, enjoyed doing it and knew he was part of a DEBATE. When something goes into print it is concretised, 'The letter kills', but I'm sure he was more than that. It was a feeler, a 'throw it out and see' approach. How many realised he was so young? I never did, and I find that fun. He WANTED to be hated as much as loved. And if he never was paid, he could pretty much say as he liked! At least he could use words: many reviewers today can't even spell.

Joe Caps has said he seems to have been very generous in real life. Maybe the persona was a compensation, but he was probably a person who FELT a great deal, hence both the vitriol AND the generosity. At least he said something, and worried where film-music was going. And he was just as hard on the old traditionalists when they were bombastic or superfluous or cliched.

Th clue is in the non de plume ... he 'cooked' the pages. With spices and heat.


Well said Mr Crum - some on here can not grasp how important PC's columns were to us in the 60s through the early 90s - one of the only sources for information and critical coverage of film soundtracks. I am personally glad that he was there for "us".

 
 Posted:   Jan 22, 2008 - 2:32 PM   
 By:   Ron Pulliam   (Member)

I think you give him far too much credit for something that was never, IMO, deliberate on his part.

Cook cared about Cook. I never saw anything in his writings that indicated he welcomed/appreciated opposing points of view.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 22, 2008 - 3:32 PM   
 By:   Joe Caps   (Member)

Page Cook cred about many things, but he was definitely opinionated.

His real name Charles Boyer, was NOT the same as the actors, Boyer being pronounced boy-er.

He changed it for writing and took the names of two of his favorite performers, Geraldine page and barbara cook. Page Cook.

 
 Posted:   Jan 23, 2008 - 10:12 AM   
 By:   Ron Pulliam   (Member)

And let us not forget Cook's famous "about-faces" -- most specifically the year of "Greystoke: The Legend of Tarzan".

Cook raked John Scott over the coals and accused him of lifting great chunks of Elgar instead of writing original music. This was in his review, and then later in his column on the best and worst of the year, Scott's score taking some special scorn in that column.

Then, another column came along in which Cook indicated he had been forced to reexamine his stance on the score, admitted the great bulk of the score was truly original, and he then said it was brilliant and declared it to have been the best score of its year. It never appeared on any list that way, of course.


In the 1980s, a far more mature Cook abandoned, for the most part, reviewing scores on CD and turned his attention to scores preserved with the movies on laserdiscs. During this time, he "discovered" masterpieces. One was Kaper's "Mutiny on the Bounty." He had "originally" been very dismissive of the score, but the laserdisc opened his eyes and he proclaimed it magnificent.

 
 Posted:   Jan 23, 2008 - 1:07 PM   
 By:   scottthompson   (Member)

I recall Page Cook writing about ongoing correspondence with Miklos Rozsa during the era Rozsa was writing EYE OF THE NEEDLE, LAST EMBRACE, FEDORA, and DEAD MEN DON'T WEAR PLAID. I wonder if this claim of ongoing correspondence with Rozsa was also one of his fabrications? I really enjoyed his columns, but I'm increasingly disturbed with the man's rationality given all the stuff presented as bogus journalism he seems to have involved himself in, and the extremes in both directions he exhibited in his personality.

SCOTT

 
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