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 Posted:   Jul 21, 2008 - 12:06 PM   
 By:   lp   (Member)

SPOILERS AHEAD!!!!

I'm not gonna bother addressing most of your opinion, but there's a few point about the movie that I would like to clarify a bit...

Nolan creates similar problems by attempting bad comedy through worse Greek Theater. BATMAN MUST MAKE A CHOICE IN A DEADLY GAME OF CAT AND MOUSE - WHICH PERSON WILL HE SAVE? Of course he saves the obvious one because that sets up the second half of the movie! Leave no stone unturned, eh Mr Nolan?


Actually, Wayne/Batman didn't save the obvious one. The Joker told him the wrong information. Gordon asked Batman who's he's going to rescue and Batman responded "Rachel Dawes". The Joker switched the address around because he wanted Batman to save Harvey so he can suffer and be turned.


The shining example of this is the scene where Gordon is shot dead, brought back and then Batman's girlfriend is killed. You don't jerk your audience around like that; you can't kill someone, bring THEM back and then actually kill someone else. Thats BAD writing and creates a giant hole in terms of pacing. Stop fucking with your plot developments, Nolan.


I don't understand why that's "BAD" writing, when it defies your expectation of conventional story telling? The

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 21, 2008 - 12:19 PM   
 By:   Eric Sandstrom   (Member)

PG-13 my ass.

What was rated R about The Dark Knight?

 
 Posted:   Jul 21, 2008 - 12:38 PM   
 By:   mastadge   (Member)

well I don't know if Catwoman is the next villian(ess) but certainly might be interesting if re-done like The Joker. I can't see The Penguin fitting in this series either...and who does that leave for villians? Riddler? Mr. Freeze? (God no!)

Bane. The real Bane. Not the fat guy in the suit from the previous movie. The one who broke Batman's spine. The next movie should be Knightfall.

 
 Posted:   Jul 21, 2008 - 1:01 PM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

Loved the film, loved the score.
Still digesting it all....

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 21, 2008 - 2:03 PM   
 By:   skgai   (Member)

Is the score in order on the CD?

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 21, 2008 - 4:05 PM   
 By:   Reeler   (Member)

Why did you like Batman Begins?

It was a twist on the common character motivation for Bruce Wayne.

Further, the moral of the story is that first you must supersede your heritage (ex: father and mother) and then even beyond what you are taught (ex: League Of Shadows) to find what you really are.

Now, if they had that same moral in TDK - they'd have had a long scene where Batman talks to someone for ten minutes in very literal terms, with the same dramatic impact as someone reading the ingredients off a package of hot dogs.


I didn't see the whole thing, but I got the impression they went too far with the melodramatics. Do you think they could've added more action, or?

 
 Posted:   Jul 21, 2008 - 4:10 PM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

I didn't see the whole thing, but I got the impression they went too far with the melodramatics. Do you think they could've added more action, or?

Which Batman movie are you talking about? The Dark Knight or Batman Begins?

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 21, 2008 - 4:18 PM   
 By:   Reeler   (Member)

I didn't see the whole thing, but I got the impression they went too far with the melodramatics. Do you think they could've added more action, or?

Which Batman movie are you talking about? The Dark Knight or Batman Begins?


BB

 
 Posted:   Jul 21, 2008 - 4:19 PM   
 By:   Agent Norman Newman   (Member)

Well, I saw it, and it was only $4 before noon "morning price", pretty sweet deal if you ask me..but I was disappointed, it seemed like batman was hardly in the movie. and they kill off rachel---how disappointing (though not as disappointing as re-casting the character.)

I thought Begins was a million times more enjoyable (and the score was too)

 
 Posted:   Jul 21, 2008 - 4:26 PM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

I didn't see the whole thing, but I got the impression they went too far with the melodramatics. Do you think they could've added more action, or?

Which Batman movie are you talking about? The Dark Knight or Batman Begins?


BB


I think Batman Begins is pretty much pitch-perfect. While some of the dialouge is expository (especially between Bruce and Ducard), its a little more digestible since its a retelling of a famous origin story and requires a certain amount of "on the nose" material. Also, none of that exposition was particularly long - certainly nothing to the lengths of the Joker's speech at the end of TDK.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 21, 2008 - 5:39 PM   
 By:   BigMacGyver2000   (Member)

How come each record breaking movie these days seems to have a remote control score? I find it kind of disturbing that Zimmer can add another top seller to his resume in such a short amount of time.

 
 Posted:   Jul 21, 2008 - 5:49 PM   
 By:   CindyLover   (Member)

PG-13 my ass.

I had the oddest feeling reading Bob Kane's credit at the end.

And pardon me, but weren't there attractive women in this kind of movie, once upon a time?


Maggie Gyllenhaal doesn't look like Stripe the Gremlin to me. But this allows me to bring up something that's bothered me... after The Prestige, Batman Begins and (from reliable sources) this, does Christopher Nolan secretly wish he could just make a movie without women?

 
 Posted:   Jul 21, 2008 - 5:54 PM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

after The Prestige, Batman Begins and (from reliable sources) this, does Christopher Nolan secretly wish he could just make a movie without women?

I have the world's most off-color joke in reply, but its in such bad taste, I'm going to keep it to myself.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 21, 2008 - 9:44 PM   
 By:   Mikhail   (Member)

Maggie Gyllenhaal doesn't look like Stripe the Gremlin to me. But this allows me to bring up something that's bothered me... after The Prestige, Batman Begins and (from reliable sources) this, does Christopher Nolan secretly wish he could just make a movie without women?

I haven't a clue what you're talking about. What is the similarity between these three regarding women?

 
 Posted:   Jul 22, 2008 - 4:17 AM   
 By:   CindyLover   (Member)

Well, they seem to be treated as tokens.

 
 Posted:   Jul 22, 2008 - 12:48 PM   
 By:   T.J. Turner   (Member)

The worst thing about this movie is Batman's voice. Why does he have to sound like the Cookie Monster?

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 22, 2008 - 2:34 PM   
 By:   franz_conrad   (Member)

The worst thing about this movie is Batman's voice. Why does he have to sound like the Cookie Monster?

Teeheehee!

 
 Posted:   Jul 23, 2008 - 12:20 AM   
 By:   Sigerson Holmes   (Member)

The worst thing about this movie is Batman's voice. Why does he have to sound like the Cookie Monster?


Bale is just another wannabe.

Here's the movie I'm waiting for . . .

 
 Posted:   Jul 23, 2008 - 5:59 AM   
 By:   Mr. Jack   (Member)

Kevin Conroy remains the definitive Batman voice.

 
 Posted:   Jul 24, 2008 - 10:03 AM   
 By:   Gold Digger   (Member)

IMHO score is pretty awful. First track is pure noise. Shocking stuff.

 
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