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 Posted:   Sep 29, 2009 - 6:34 AM   
 By:   Koray Savas   (Member)


Ok, always thought that Hans Zimmer was the main composer. Is there a list somewhere of who composed what? I've always wondered...


I have the complete score with a breakdown of who exactly composed what. Would it be okay for me to post the cue list and composers here?

Interestingly, if you listen to Glennie-Smith's THE MAN IN THE IRON MASK, the theme is almost identical to that of THE ROCK. Anyone know why he did that?

Yes, because he felt he screwed up on The Rock and wanted to make up and fully develop the themes he started.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 29, 2009 - 6:41 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

So you're basically calling Zimmer a liar, Koray?

I'm sorry, but I'd rather take the truth directly from the source's mouth instead of some second-hand fanboy wish thinking.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 29, 2009 - 6:46 AM   
 By:   Koray Savas   (Member)

How am I calling Zimmer a liar? Someone just quoted Zimmer saying it, it was Nick Glennie-Smith's score, and they brought him in.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 29, 2009 - 6:48 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

How am I calling Zimmer a liar?

Because you're insinuating that Zimmer didn't write the two main themes of the film, which Zimmer himself says he did.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 29, 2009 - 6:52 AM   
 By:   Koray Savas   (Member)

Listen to Glennie-Smith's original demos. All the foundations for the themes that ended up in the film are there.

The theme you hear in the Opening Titles, I believe is Zimmer's. The action theme, the dun-duh-na-na-na-na, that's Glennie-Smith's, and so is the Fort Walton Kansas theme.

 
 Posted:   Sep 29, 2009 - 6:52 AM   
 By:   mastadge   (Member)


Ok, always thought that Hans Zimmer was the main composer. Is there a list somewhere of who composed what? I've always wondered...


I have the complete score with a breakdown of who exactly composed what. Would it be okay for me to post the cue list and composers here?


I would love to see that, thanks!

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 29, 2009 - 6:56 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Listen to Glennie-Smith's original demos. All the foundations for the themes that ended up in the film are there.

The theme you hear in the Opening Titles, I believe is Zimmer's. The action theme, the dun-duh-na-na-na-na, that's Glennie-Smith's, and so is the Fort Walton Kansas theme.


Sorry, man, I still take Zimmer's own words over yours.

 
 Posted:   Sep 29, 2009 - 7:17 AM   
 By:   mastadge   (Member)

Sorry, man, I still take Zimmer's own words over yours.

While I generally agree that I'll go with what a person says, I have seen plenty of errors in composer interviews, where they've forgotten details about their earlier work, or the order in which they did which scores, or in their heads had rearranged some details of their early work to better fit their own internal narrative of their musical progression, so while I have no reason to believe Zimmer's lying, I seem to recall, for instance, a Gregson-Williams interview where he gave more of the credit to Glennie-Smith, and I have no reason to believe he's lying, either.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 29, 2009 - 9:24 AM   
 By:   Koray Savas   (Member)

Thor I'm not trying to go against Zimmer, after all I love the guy. All I'm trying to do is reinforce what he was quoted saying. Nick Glennie-Smith was the original composer, he started off with demos. Bruckheimer was not pleased, so he brought Zimmer onto the project to help him. I'm not saying that Zimmer didn't write that one theme, he did. But the Fort Walton, Kansas theme and the rousing action theme are by Glennie-Smith. The more somber, militaristic theme, that's Zimmer. There actually might be one more theme that's Zimmer's. I need to listen to the whole score again.


And would I get in trouble if I posted the track listings and composers for the complete score?

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 29, 2009 - 9:27 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Thor I'm not trying to go against Zimmer, after all I love the guy. All I'm trying to do is reinforce what he was quoted saying. Nick Glennie-Smith was the original composer, he started off with demos. Bruckheimer was not pleased, so he brought Zimmer onto the project to help him. I'm not saying that Zimmer didn't write that one theme, he did. But the Fort Walton, Kansas theme and the rousing action theme are by Glennie-Smith. The more somber, militaristic theme, that's Zimmer.

It would of course be easier if we knew what theme we're talking about, exactly.

This is the Zimmer theme I'm talking about:



...starting off with the solitary, melancholy brass statement and going into the famous theme at 1:29.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 29, 2009 - 9:44 AM   
 By:   Koray Savas   (Member)

Yes, that's Zimmer. Ugh the OST is so frustrating. I can't find the Glennie-Smith theme that originated from the demo. It starts off the end credits of the film, if you can remember.

 
 Posted:   Sep 29, 2009 - 9:51 AM   
 By:   EvilDead   (Member)

"The Battle" (Gladiator) is one of my favorites, but many come to mind. "The Kraken" (Pirates 2), almost everything from The Rock, "Leave No Man Behind" (Black Hawk Down), etc.

Hard to pick one...


The Rock was mostly Nick Glennie-Smith.


Ok, always thought that Hans Zimmer was the main composer. Is there a list somewhere of who composed what? I've always wondered...


Uhm...did you read the replies three-four posts up? Your answer is there.


I DID read the comments, and besides saying that "the main theme and a few other bits" are done by Zimmer, I'm still not sure what parts are done by NGS and HGW? smile

 
 Posted:   Sep 29, 2009 - 9:52 AM   
 By:   EvilDead   (Member)


Ok, always thought that Hans Zimmer was the main composer. Is there a list somewhere of who composed what? I've always wondered...


I have the complete score with a breakdown of who exactly composed what. Would it be okay for me to post the cue list and composers here?


I would love to see that, thanks!


Me too! smile

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 29, 2009 - 10:06 AM   
 By:   Koray Savas   (Member)

Well here's the cue list. If it's against the rules or something, it can be taken down.

1. Opening Titles - Hans Zimmer & Nick Glennie-Smith
2. Hummel Gets The Rockets - Nick Glennie-Smith
3. Baby Doll - Harry Gregson-Williams & Don Harper
4. Rock House Jail - Nick Glennie-Smith, Don Harper & Steven M. Stern
5. Hummel's Speech - Hans Zimmer & Nick Glennie-Smith
6. Window Crash/Fairmont - Harry Gregson-Williams & Steven M. Stern
7. The Chase - Harry Gregson-Williams & Don Harper
8. Jade - Nick Glennie-Smith
9. The Mission - Hans Zimmer & Nick Glennie-Smith
10. Welcome To The Rock - Nick Glennie-Smith, Harry Gregson-Williams & Don Harper
11. The Shower Massacre - Hans Zimmer & Nick Glennie-Smith
12. Rodent Problem - Nick Glennie-Smith & Don Harper
13. The Morgue - Harry Gregson-Williams
14. In The Tunnels - Harry Gregson-Williams
15. Off The Track - Nick Glennie-Smith
16. Mason's Walk - Hans Zimmer & Nick Glennie-Smith
17. Deadline - Nick Glennie-Smith, Harry Gregson-Williams & Russ Landau
18. First Launch - Harry Gregson-Williams
19. Aftermath - Hans Zimmer & Nick Glennie-Smith
20. Mutiny - Nick Glennie-Smith
21. Lighthouse - Nick Glennie-Smith & Don Harper
22. The Last Chip - Harry Gregson-Williams
23. Green Smoke - Nick Glennie-Smith
24. Safe - Nick Glennie-Smith
25. Fort Walton Kansas - Hans Zimmer & Nick Glennie-Smith
26. End Credits - Hans Zimmer & Nick Glennie-Smith
27. The Mission (Alternate) - Hans Zimmer & Nick Glennie-Smith
28. Welcome To The Rock (Alternate) - Nick Glennie-Smith
29. Action Theme (Demo) - Nick Glennie-Smith
30. Quiet Theme (Demo) - Nick Glennie-Smith
31. Triumphant Theme (Demo) - Nick Glennie-Smith

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 29, 2009 - 10:55 AM   
 By:   Peter Farb   (Member)

The music in the scene in THIN RED LINE as the american soldiers approach the battlezone comes me to mind. Then I have parts of the music in PEARL HARBOR with some japanese pilots in good memory. I like the love themes in PEARL HARBOR, too.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 29, 2009 - 11:33 AM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

Like I said, I'd hate to be the one who has to sort out the royalty payments to those guys wink

 
 Posted:   Sep 29, 2009 - 11:48 AM   
 By:   EvilDead   (Member)

Thanks, Koray! smile

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 29, 2009 - 12:14 PM   
 By:   jfallon   (Member)

Russ Landau, the Survivor composer, wrote music for The Rock? That's something learned today.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 29, 2009 - 12:44 PM   
 By:   bondo321   (Member)

Gotta ask Koray, is that cue breakdown by composer an educated guess or actual info?

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 29, 2009 - 1:37 PM   
 By:   Koray Savas   (Member)

A guy on the HZ Forum gathered all the info from sites like ASCAP.

 
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