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Well the auction for the UP score fell through with the high bidder of $465 so the seller contacted me as I was the second high bidder, I told him/her yes!! NO, this isn't for me, it's for a good friend who I'm helping out with him getting a copy!! Isn't this great news!!
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Jan 17, 2010 - 5:55 PM
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But I'm not Disney, you see. I have no shareholders to report on my quarterly earnings to; Disney executives do, and indeed, making profit for the company is their responsibility. As for whether a physical CD for "Up" would have been profitable or not, you can get an indication from previous releases - for example, did "Cars" and "Ratatouille" and "The Incredibles" take a bath in red ink as music CD releases? (I don't know myself, but somehow I don't think they did.)
Well, if you're going to base your argument on what you "somehow think," what can I say? I really don't know why you would choose to believe that the people at Disney have chosen to turn their backs on a proven cash cow. But without statistics to back up either of our arguments, you're free to feel that. My guess, though, is that "Ratatouille" did not exactly burn up the charts. I love the score personally, but the orchestral soundtrack that sells well is a rare thing indeed. Why would this be an exception?
Yes, Disney has a responsibility to their shareholders. But frankly, if that dictated everything, they should have made three new "Toy Story" movies instead of movies about rat chefs, silent robots, and cranky old men. After all, "Ice Age 3" was by far the highest grossing animated film of last year. But they're counting on a creative team that consistently makes a profit, and sometimes hits that profit out of the park.
There are really four possible reactions to the score for "Up."
1) People (most) who will not buy it in any form.
2) People who will want to download it.
3) People who would like a CD, but will download it if need be.
4) People who want it, but only if it's on CD.
Clearly, they're betting that the number of people in category 4 does not equal a profitable CD run. And I think there's a good chance they're right.
I have no reason to defend Disney. In fact, quite the opposite, for personal business reasons (I won't go into that). I just think that we cannot let our own passion for collecting CDs misguide us into believing they've made a terrible and idiotic business decision here.
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Jan 17, 2010 - 5:57 PM
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I think I'm coming off as a big pill in this thread. And as somebody who would have loved an "Up" CD, I'm also hurting my own cause.
No, it's not that at all (at least from my perspective). It's just that for every good reason you state why this hasn't seen a CD release yet, there's another perfectly good reason why it should (and wistfully, a complete one).
This is a "new" score, not one from years and years ago. The contract Disney had w/ Giacchino /likely/ had a specific contract amount for his work for hire and a percentage for use of the score in a retail release (and possibly also a percentage for the score's use in home video releases). This isn't like the problem with TV shows and films from before 2000 where home video releases weren't even thought of and music rights holders could prevent their use or even more directly related, early Disney scores/soundtracks that had to be re-recorded for commercial release. I have no direct knowledge (if anyone does, chime in), but could a composer dare to even say, "I'll let you release 35 minutes of my score for fee X, but if you want it all, you pay me fee Y," considering it's a work for hire and not a use of pre-existing music? I think that record companies/movie studios have the upper hand in these negotiations.
So if my suppositions are true, there's no extra cost in releasing a full version over a shorter version via electronic delivery. Now, what about any extra costs in delivering a lossless version.
I know that .flac's aren't widespread as download options, but if the Smithsonian can do it for the immense Folkways catalog, it's not some alien suggestion to have others follow suit, and it definitely is not a bank-breaker in terms of the "bottom line." And what about Apple's own lossless ALAC? That could be an option via iTunes. Disney even, for a time, offered lossless catalog releases @ Music Giants in DRM'ed .wma's, but they seemed to have removed them all except for some pop music releases that already have a physical CD. Sadly, they never had 'The Black Hole' when I used to check. You must also remember that downloading music isn't just for people with portable devices. I don't even own one, yet I have a Rhapsody subscription and I've purchased through iTunes (Up soundtrack and others) and mp3's. Just because .flac's aren't supported out of the box (one can hack an iPod to play them) doesn't mean they should not be an option, especially as many music sites are moving away from DRM.
My whole point is that not having a complete, lossless version as an option to download is, for Up, just lazy on WDR's part. I mean, seriously, it's a Disney-Pixar film. Consider the millions of people that were going to view it.
As for physical product, it still seems odd. Again, given that it was prepped for a download release/ C&C CD, the only extra costs would be physical CD production and distribution/shipping. Given that WDR is already huge and had that infrastructure built, it's not like the company would have to eat all that cost for a one time deal. Now, with hindsight, why hasn't this title yet been given a better release.... IMDB states up to OCT 2009, UP domestically grossed nearly $293 million. At an average of $10 a ticket, that's 29 million viewers. With the simple assumption (I know it has holes) that 1% of viewers may like the score enough to purchase, that's nearly 293,000 discs. That has to be enough to turn a profit. Then if you add in the fans from around the world, plus any that were only able to view the film after it hit home video, the number only increases.
I know it comes off sounding whiny, but that's just how I see it. Maybe tonights Golden Globes may help!
And I know about other niche fans/communities, I'm on AVSForum and the Nakamichi mailing list. Even I think some of those people are a little off kilter.
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Jan 17, 2010 - 5:59 PM
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SchiffyM
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Since the soundtrack is not available as a legitimate download on Amazon/iTunes/BigPond to where I live (last I checked anyway), either I'll just have to do without - or do the unmentionable to get the music (and for free) - and I'm sure many in a similar situation have chosen the latter option. Ultimately the loss is Disney's (not that they'll notice, apparently.)
And that's what's silly about the whole thing. They want to make more money by saving supposedly by not issueing a CD....yet DL-only LIMITS the market. At least with CDs those who care can import if nessesary (even if it's a small amount it's SOMETHING). It just kinda baffles why decisions happen this way, sometimes.
I wish I understood the reasoning here better, too. Clearly, there's some information we're not privy to. In some cases, of course, a label may have only (say) North American rights for a title, and so international distribution is simply not within their rights. But in a case like this, Disney surely owns this score outright.
Possibly, Disney years ago sold (for instance) European rights to their music releases to some other company, and still must abide by that contract. I'm just guessing, and I'm probably wrong.
But I've worked for Disney. They depend on the international markets. I've been to elaborate parties where they woo international buyers of just about everything. So it's not simply that they're stupidly ignoring this issue. There must be something else. I wish I knew what…
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Well the auction for the UP score fell through with the high bidder of $465 so the seller contacted me as I was the second high bidder, I told him/her yes!! NO, this isn't for me, it's for a good friend who I'm helping out with him getting a copy!! Isn't this great news!!
Sure, knock yourself out... 
My friend is overseas, I can't wait til he wakes up tomorrow and see's the glorious NEWS, that he's finally getting this Golden Globe winning score. Man I love helping out my film score friends. Sorry for posting again, I just love being able to help out people on here!!!!
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My overseas friend is one super cool guy and I'm so glad he finally got it. Tell him hi for me, if you run into him!!!
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Another one just sold for $381. I guess they're coming down ... but at this rate, it'll be another year before I can afford one... Oh, it's all so ridiculous...
Yeah, here it is. Crazy.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=400102820389&ssPageName=STRK:MEDWX:IT
I was watching that auction to see what it went for. What's neat about his auction is it came with the DVD with the one clip A Married Life music by MG, but also came with the Oscar promo that is sent out, two goodies for one price.
They sure are coming downnnnnnnnnnnn
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I'll just get hold of a cdr of the promo. I'll have access to the music and save myself hundreds of $, to spend elsewhere. Or maybe I'll swap my Mulan promo for a pressed cd.......... or maybe not!
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Another one just sold for $381. I guess they're coming down ... but at this rate, it'll be another year before I can afford one... Oh, it's all so ridiculous...
Yeah, here it is. Crazy.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=400102820389&ssPageName=STRK:MEDWX:IT
I was watching that auction to see what it went for. What's neat about his auction is it came with the DVD with the one clip A Married Life music by MG, but also came with the Oscar promo that is sent out, two goodies for one price.
They sure are coming downnnnnnnnnnnn
Hey DMD, I was looking at your (super impressive!!!) autograph collection recently and noticed that you had Lost signed. With Michael Giacchino being my #1 composer of today (if not ever), I was wondering HOW DID YOU GET THOSE AUTOGRAPHED? Thanks for any response.
You must be one of our newer residence here at the FSM message boards!! Wonderful! Actually Giacchino has signed at Dark Delicacies a few times, I've been VERY VERY fortunate to meet him twice and make a couple videos for him. Seems each time he was there there was a new LOST CD out so I got my copy by him signed, either in person or through Dark Delicacies website. He's a very nice guy, down to earth and very cool. I wish him nothing but the best in this crazy business. I have a lot signed by him and I treasure each and everyone of my autographs so much and I've had a few VERY incredible people help me out that I can't say thanks enough.
On a side note, it's pretty darn cool that through my passion/my love, soundtracks, I've been able to meet some amazing people on here and in person and I can't say thanks enough to you all!!
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Feb 15, 2010 - 8:38 PM
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David-R.
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Another one just sold for $381. I guess they're coming down ... but at this rate, it'll be another year before I can afford one... Oh, it's all so ridiculous...
Yeah, here it is. Crazy.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=400102820389&ssPageName=STRK:MEDWX:IT
I was watching that auction to see what it went for. What's neat about his auction is it came with the DVD with the one clip A Married Life music by MG, but also came with the Oscar promo that is sent out, two goodies for one price.
They sure are coming downnnnnnnnnnnn
Hey DMD, I was looking at your (super impressive!!!) autograph collection recently and noticed that you had Lost signed. With Michael Giacchino being my #1 composer of today (if not ever), I was wondering HOW DID YOU GET THOSE AUTOGRAPHED? Thanks for any response.
You must be one of our newer residence here at the FSM message boards!! Wonderful! Actually Giacchino has signed at Dark Delicacies a few times, I've been VERY VERY fortunate to meet him twice and make a couple videos for him. Seems each time he was there there was a new LOST CD out so I got my copy by him signed, either in person or through Dark Delicacies website. He's a very nice guy, down to earth and very cool. I wish him nothing but the best in this crazy business. I have a lot signed by him and I treasure each and everyone of my autographs so much and I've had a few VERY incredible people help me out that I can't say thanks enough.
On a side note, it's pretty darn cool that through my passion/my love, soundtracks, I've been able to meet some amazing people on here and in person and I can't say thanks enough to you all!!
How does DarkD do it? Does he go there and everybody travels across the country to meet him? Does he sign CDs for them and you order them thru DarkDel?
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When Dark Del has a composer signing whether it's him or several others, you can order their CD's through their website, and they will get them signed for you. Hell they don't even charge you more for getting the autograph.
This goes for CD signings, DVD signings and book signings as well, not just our beloved composers! Like the David Shire signing they had a few weeks ago, I think they must have had about 6 or so CD's by him you could order online and get signed.
Of course, you can always travel there to see him/her in person. I occasionaly come out to LA for one of their BIG signings, like the Varese 30th Ann. or last year's huge one with 16 composers.
Check this board, when there is another composer signing Dark Del. or some other person on this board will certainly let us all know!
The four LOST CD's I have signed, to me, is pretty damn cool. I'm not bragging, so don't take it that way, I'm VERY fortunate and appreciate Dark Del. for helping me and all the rest of us out.
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