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 Posted:   Jun 15, 2010 - 3:15 AM   
 By:   MattyO   (Member)

I should also say that at this stage, a release of Batman & Robin in any form would be nice and I would definitely buy it.

 
 Posted:   Jun 15, 2010 - 6:35 AM   
 By:   Sal. Berger   (Member)

Wow, many thanks for this edit. The clear sound helps it a lot! Love the score, that's my kind of poetry! It leaves behind the film.
49 minutes sound very good for me; the C&C thing is too long (thus repetitive, which gets especially tedious because of the fanfares) or unmusically organized. Would be great if someone brought up this release!
(By the way, a big lack of this 2 CD are the crappy track titles! wink Does this phantom album feature better ones?)

PS: Thor, I also enjoyed this quote unquote Q&A session. big grin Downloaded it in 2004 for money on a film music network site, which is gone by now.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 15, 2010 - 11:56 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

I'd like a 2-disc complete score, with Goldenthal's original album presentation written in the liner notes.

Indeed. FSM has done it this way a number of times, and it really is the best and most sensible way of doing it.


No, that's a horrible way of doing things.

Hopefully we get ONLY Goldenthal's intended album presentation (should this score ever surface) and nothing else. Why not include the extra material as well, you might ask (if only to please my "enemies", the C&C lovers)? Well, basically because that will up the price of the soundtrack considerably.

PS: Thor, I also enjoyed this quote unquote Q&A session. Downloaded it in 2004 for money on a film music network site, which is gone by now

Yeah, I wish he did more of those. He's very interesting to listen to.

 
 Posted:   Jun 15, 2010 - 11:59 AM   
 By:   Miles (MerM)   (Member)

I'd like a 2-disc complete score, with Goldenthal's original album presentation written in the liner notes.

Indeed. FSM has done it this way a number of times, and it really is the best and most sensible way of doing it.


No, that's a horrible way of doing things.

Hopefully we get ONLY Goldenthal's intended album presentation (should this score ever surface) and nothing else. Why not include the extra material as well, you might ask (if only to please my "enemies", the C&C lovers)? Well, basically because that will up the price of the soundtrack considerably.


It's worth it.

 
 Posted:   Jun 15, 2010 - 12:10 PM   
 By:   Miles (MerM)   (Member)

If Elliot Goldenthal himself worked hard to determine that the best representation of his score for an album of Batman & Robin would be a non-C&C program running 46 mins, it would be absolutely disrespectful to undermind his educated-opinion and efforts.


well that would be a 3cd set wouldn't it ? wink


First of all, I'm going to ignore that you quoted the guy I was quoting, instead of me. big grin

Second... the bootleg runs 121 minutes. Roughly 14 minutes of that consist of tracked music, source stuff, etc - so that's 107. But even if we assume the full score runs 120-ish minutes, that's 40-ish left between two CDs. Undoubtedly, Goldenthal left a few cues edited in his assembly, so the program should look like this:

Disc 1: The Complete Score, part one (as close to 80 minutes as possible)
Disc 2: The Complete Score, part two (which would be about 40 minutes or so), followed by the edited album tracks.

The liner notes present a tracklist for the consumer to organize (yeah, we'd have to import them into iTunes, but if you can find a better way to present both programs, do tell), and both camps are happy.

Well, except for Thor. But frankly, who cares?

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 15, 2010 - 12:35 PM   
 By:   Avatarded   (Member)

If Elliot Goldenthal himself worked hard to determine that the best representation of his score for an album of Batman & Robin would be a non-C&C program running 46 mins, it would be absolutely disrespectful to undermind his educated-opinion and efforts.

And every other composer who assembles an album hasn't?

It's hardly a special case here that's somehow different from other albums.

David Arnold assembled a similar CD for "Godzilla" and it was shut down by Sony, then La La Land worked with him to release the complete score. Doesn't seem to be any difference here. One score isn't any more important than the other, aside from the fact that both are great scores for BAD movies smile

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 15, 2010 - 2:14 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

It's worth it.

I don't know about that. To me, the stuff beyond the album would be worthless and just clogging up CD space.

Of course, I wouldn't boycott the album if the complete score was put in in addition to the album presentation. I would probably find the funds for it SOMEHWERE. However, I'd rather see that they didn't.

 
 Posted:   Jun 15, 2010 - 3:09 PM   
 By:   Mr. Marshall   (Member)

a single 78 minute cd of B & R would be fine. 2cd is overkill.
an expanded BF - the original program plus 25 or so mintes of extra material would also be nice.

to sum up: single discs of each with 78 minutes of music OR a 2cd set with both discs/films in one package.

brm

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 15, 2010 - 3:14 PM   
 By:   babbelballetje   (Member)

The cd of Batman forever is a really good album presentation I think. You can actually sit down and listen to this cd from beginning to end and the music never bores. I would love to have a similar presentation of Batman & Robin. Cut away the fat and you'd have a classic soundtrack cd.

 
 Posted:   Oct 25, 2011 - 2:47 PM   
 By:   Juanki   (Member)

The score is great, but the mix and selection of the cues could have been better. Maybe I am wrong. Maybe it is not the Goldenthals selection...I hope so. You could hear some alternate takes in French version on B&R SE. The Robin's first intro. at the museum (alternate theme, the original is better). Another one is the 'villains' theme which you hear during the Arkham scene when Ivy says 'his name is Bane' and there's another one...can't remember.

I think this is actually a cut-down version of the 2-CD version. Same bad sound, same bad channel.


I wouldnt say so. No complaints about the quality which is superb.

I edited some of the cues together(lousy edit, never been good at editing) as an example.

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=MGR6MC3O


OK guys, go and listen to this. It sounds great. I wonder from where exactly does it come.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 26, 2011 - 6:34 AM   
 By:   Marcato   (Member)

How much music would you want on the release? All of it, all 2 hours (ish) of score on two discs?


I would say all complete with a bonis section containing album cues from the "supposely planed album edit"


in that case that is the best of both worlds and we don't have to think of another release down the line in years...

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 26, 2011 - 12:38 PM   
 By:   TerraEpon   (Member)

Considering how long the boot is, it probably wouldn't fit.

 
 Posted:   Nov 2, 2011 - 1:00 PM   
 By:   Ron Pulliam   (Member)


Now, clearly the movie itself is indeed a Saturday-morning cartoon parody in and of itself, not to mention a huge, flash-frozen pile of dog feces, and therefore the difference in the main theme's approach and performance was rightfully adjusted to fit the tone, but it's still a terrible arrangement compared to "Forever" as a listening experience.



While you sit at your computer trashing "Batman & Robin", the fact remains that the director and everyone involved "is far more successful than you." (Just taking the ball you threw out there with your James Horner thread....ANYONE you trash in movies, no matter who, will be more successful than you or mostly anyone else).

 
 Posted:   Jul 27, 2014 - 8:03 AM   
 By:   Juanki   (Member)

Goldenthal's album for "Batman and Robin": http://youtu.be/RAw_ARjwhtk

 
 Posted:   Jul 28, 2014 - 12:17 AM   
 By:   Juanki   (Member)

double post

 
 Posted:   Jul 28, 2014 - 12:58 PM   
 By:   jackfu   (Member)

I prefer both the film and the score of B&R to Batman Forever. I like the BF score; it has a few Elfman-ish elements for which I did not care, but not to the point of distraction.
The B&R score necessarily, I guess, incorporates a lot of BF but it has additional cues which are quite emotive without being over-the-top.
I’d like to see a BF-like expanded release for B&R.
As for the films I thought Tommy Lee Jones’ talent was wasted in BF; not intimidating enough to be interesting and too second-banana to be amusing. I thought Freeze and Ivy were more enjoyable as villains.

 
 Posted:   Jul 28, 2014 - 1:25 PM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

I like the BF score; it has a few Elfman-ish elements for which I did not care, but not to the point of distraction.

None too surprising, since Shirley Walker and Lolita Ritmanis were orchestrators on the Batman Forever score (and I think Shirley conducted one cue?)

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 28, 2014 - 1:39 PM   
 By:   daretodream   (Member)

I like the BF score; it has a few Elfman-ish elements for which I did not care, but not to the point of distraction.

None too surprising, since Shirley Walker and Lolita Ritmanis were orchestrators on the Batman Forever score (and I think Shirley conducted one cue?)


Couple of cues (incl. main titles), if to be exact. An excellent conductor by the way. She did have one oddity though. She would fire a musician who looked at the movie screen during a take! Literally.

 
 Posted:   Jul 28, 2014 - 2:23 PM   
 By:   Mr. Marshall   (Member)

a single 78 minute cd of B & R would be fine. 2cd is overkill.
.

brm


I made a homemade version of the 2 disc version- keeping only the best cuts.
It came out to app. 79 minutes!
Purrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrfect

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 28, 2014 - 3:03 PM   
 By:   Nicholas_DW   (Member)

I'd want it ALL!

 
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