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This is a comments thread about FSM CD: Star Trek: The Next Generation: The Ron Jones Project
 
 Posted:   Aug 31, 2010 - 9:03 PM   
 By:   Nesius   (Member)

This is a dream come true. Thank you to all who have worked to make this possible! And thank you above all Ron Jones!!!!!!!!

 
 Posted:   Aug 31, 2010 - 10:44 PM   
 By:   Trent B.   (Member)

Well, just for laughs and giggles I looked over at aint-it-cool-news.com to see what the folks over there were saying about this release...


http://www.aintitcool.com/talkback_display/46342#comment_3536750


If you take a moment, you'll find their take on this set is a bit different then what you have seen here..

:-)



Ford A. Thaxton


That's sad about those comments. Ah well they're a bunch of idiots anyways.

 
 Posted:   Sep 1, 2010 - 12:30 AM   
 By:   Francis   (Member)

the aintitcool message boards are similar to the ones on imdb, so I'm not surprised at those reactions. But any publicity is good publicity and I really hope people are looking forward to it as much as we are.

One of the first cd's I bought was the "Encounter at Farpoint" score, back then mainly because I was a fan of the show and wanted the opening and closing music. But to my surprise the rest of the score was worth it as well and from then on I started paying more attention to the music in the series and always wondered what it would be like to get a comprehensive score release of the show. Thanks to FSM that is now a reality and I hope that this release will also spark interest from labels in Ron Jones' other music, and who knows, a Ducktales release is still possible! smile

 
 Posted:   Sep 1, 2010 - 12:41 AM   
 By:   Ray Worley   (Member)

Well, Damn it! I thought I was going to save some money with the next round of releases. CHIPS has zero interest for me and I'm not sold on the Omnibus set...and being a big fan of the original STAR TREK'S music, I pretty much hated TNG's and later Trek shows approach to music. Except for an odd episode here and there...
So, I start looking at the liner notes for this and listening to the clips and suddenly realized, almost all of those odd episodes here and there were from the first four seasons of TNG and were by Ron Jones. Uh oh! It looks like I'm going to have to scrape up some cash, this looks and sounds great!

One thing these notes reminded me...I always thought Rick Berman was a talentless hack that STAR TREK suceeded with in SPITE off rather because of. I knew about his aversion to melody and music that was in any way noticeable, but I never realized just how much an idiot he was. Lukas said it best...(paraphrased) Berman had the boneheaded notion that good music was bad for the show.
Boneheaded....and how!

I'll be looking forward to exploring Ron Jones's music in detail.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 1, 2010 - 4:58 AM   
 By:   RichC   (Member)

Magnificent set by the looks of it.

Superb liner notes to boot.

Pedant Alert!!!! however.

With reference to the notes on "Q Who" - The Cybermen appeared in Doctor Who. It was The Cybernauts that appeared in The Avengers. As corrently stated in the notes, however, it was indeed the Cybermen upon which the Borg were based, something I believe the ST creative team at the time were only too happy to admit to; they took the basic concept of the Cybermen and ran with it, turning them into iconic figures of hate for American audiences in the same way the Cybermen were - and still are - for UK audiences). It is even possible that the very title of the episode was a direct nod of the head to the series that gave birth to the Cybermen, and therefore the Borg.

Can't wait to hear all the little gems this set has to offer. It'll take weeks to work through, but what an adventure it will be!

 
 Posted:   Sep 1, 2010 - 5:07 AM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

If you take a moment, you'll find their take on this set is a bit different then what you have seen here.

As you well know Ford - the internet does not require a parent's permission slip to use. Even when you're 40 and living in the basement and work arranging cartons of milk in the refridgerated section of Walton's Deli.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 1, 2010 - 5:08 AM   
 By:   jwb   (Member)

If I were Dennis McCarthy, I'd be thinking right now " Where's my box set? :/ "

 
 Posted:   Sep 1, 2010 - 5:32 AM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

The more I read the notes on the set on FSM, the more and more I want the set.

Its going to be a long, long month for me.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 1, 2010 - 5:39 AM   
 By:   johnjohnson   (Member)

Lukas,
Great job on this release. Look forward to hearing this. FSM is rapidly become the label for Star Trek music. Any plans for similar boxsets? Voyager, DS9 or Enterprise?


I certainly wouldn't expect that if you ever read LK's opinions of the Trek music of McCarthy, Chattaway etc.


I refer you to the comment I made several posts earlier.

http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?forumID=1&pageID=4&threadID=71599&archive=0

 
 Posted:   Sep 1, 2010 - 6:14 AM   
 By:   Scott M (Oldsmith)   (Member)

Sorry Spartacus, but they money I had put aside for you is going here instead.

This is an epic release, with really great music. Just listening to the clips, it's amazing to see how the music evolved, and so quickly, on the series. It was so jaunty and tinkly (for lack of a better word) in the beginnings, going into the lower registers over the seasons.

I'm usually not a fan of synth orchestra, but The Naked Now was always one of my favorite TNG scores, just for the pure energy of it. The loud, in your face jeopardy cues were a lot of fun. I love how calm and quiet Worf is in the scenes when the star begins to break up, before Michael Dorn perfected his "Worf voice."

"What we're seeing is a chunk of the star's surface breaking away...heading for us."

Also in retrospect, it's surprising just how stilted some of the performances are. And how everyone keeps saying how drunk they are. "I feel strange but also good!" "Never made it to sick bay, Wes. Feel too good for that!"

But most importanly, Jones got me to like Wesley crusher - for about 5 minutes - when he provided a beautiful cue backing his promotion in Menage a Troi. It really plays up how much music helps a scene, because Wil Wheaton's goofy smile and bobbing walk out of Picard's ready room was laughable, but the music gives the scene such an emotional lift, it almost makes the episode good. Either way, he made me happy for a character I hated.

 
 Posted:   Sep 1, 2010 - 6:56 AM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

If I were Dennis McCarthy, I'd be thinking right now " Where's my box set? :/ "

If I were Dennis McCarthy, I'd be thinking right now, "Damn, I wish I'd stuck to my guns like Ron did so that I could deserve a deluxe 14 disc set of my music being released."

At last Ron Jones will get the appreciation he really deserves. Maybe having this deluxe set will even get him more work. Imagine sending it out to producers -- instead of a little CDr promo, it's a presentation on the scale of the Rozsa box!

Yavar

P.S. In fairness to Dennis McCarthy, since he worked on Trek from the first episode of TNG to the last episode of Enterprise, *maybe* 14 discs of music could be filled with just his very best cues, but finding them amid all the dreck would be a pretty time consuming project for Jeff Bond or whoever would be willing. Maybe if this set sells like gangbusters it could warrant say a 1500 copy release or something, but unlike with Ron Jones, complete scores would be HORRIBLE (with the exception of his excellent theatrical Generations score). I'd be more interested perhaps in complete one-off scores by John Debney and Don Davis and the like...

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 1, 2010 - 7:23 AM   
 By:   Joe Brausam   (Member)



I'm usually not a fan of synth orchestra, but The Naked Now was always one of my favorite TNG scores, just for the pure energy of it. The loud, in your face jeopardy cues were a lot of fun. I love how calm and quiet Worf is in the scenes when the star begins to break up, before Michael Dorn perfected his "Worf voice."



So it really is synth? That's what I thought when I listened to the clips, maybe that's why the music just isn't grabbing me. Oh well.

 
 Posted:   Sep 1, 2010 - 7:43 AM   
 By:   pete   (Member)

Count me in!

(He wrote, while pondering just how the hell he was going to organize this in iTunes.) smile


I just decided myself to buy it. Like Lukas's first reaction, I never really noticed the music the first time I watched the show - and that was before I got into film score. But reading the liner notes and reading more about Ron Jones - a composer I know very little about - plus listening to some of the clips changed my mind.

In iTunes, I guess I'll make each episode its own little album including the season number ie
STNG1: The Battle
STNG2: A Matter of Honor

 
 Posted:   Sep 1, 2010 - 7:57 AM   
 By:   Lukas Kendall   (Member)



So it really is synth? That's what I thought when I listened to the clips, maybe that's why the music just isn't grabbing me. Oh well.


The episodes were scored by orchestras of varying sizes -- 50 to 60 pieces in some episodes -- using a lot of synthesizer colors in the style of some late 1980s scoring (like Goldsmith's works of the period).

http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/notes/box05_disc13.html#data

Lukas

 
 Posted:   Sep 1, 2010 - 8:11 AM   
 By:   Sigerson Holmes   (Member)

Lukas, is it true what one of the AICN posters wrote, that if you buy this set you'll never have sex?

I'm just wondering, because I ordered one of the autographed copies and considered myself rather cool for doing so.


. . . And what's going on with that classic MGM musical soundtrack?

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 1, 2010 - 8:29 AM   
 By:   nxbusby   (Member)

Lukas, is it true what one of the AICN posters wrote, that if you buy this set you'll never have sex?

I'm just wondering, because I ordered one of the autographed copies and considered myself rather cool for doing so.


. . . And what's going on with that classic MGM musical soundtrack?


Its completly true. Hate to break it to you :-)

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 1, 2010 - 8:48 AM   
 By:   Joe Brausam   (Member)



So it really is synth? That's what I thought when I listened to the clips, maybe that's why the music just isn't grabbing me. Oh well.


The episodes were scored by orchestras of varying sizes -- 50 to 60 pieces in some episodes -- using a lot of synthesizer colors in the style of some late 1980s scoring (like Goldsmith's works of the period).

http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/notes/box05_disc13.html#data

Lukas


Interesting info, thanks!

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 1, 2010 - 9:54 AM   
 By:   johnjohnson   (Member)


With reference to the notes on "Q Who" - The Cybermen appeared in Doctor Who. It was The Cybernauts that appeared in The Avengers. As corrently stated in the notes, however, it was indeed the Cybermen upon which the Borg were based, something I believe the ST creative team at the time were only too happy to admit to; they took the basic concept of the Cybermen and ran with it, turning them into iconic figures of hate for American audiences in the same way the Cybermen were - and still are - for UK audiences). It is even possible that the very title of the episode was a direct nod of the head to the series that gave birth to the Cybermen, and therefore the Borg.



"Whatever the Borg are, they must be found and D-E-S-T-R-O-Y-E-D."

 
 Posted:   Sep 1, 2010 - 10:18 AM   
 By:   BasilFSM   (Member)

Most users who browse Ain't It Cool news are morons and have no idea how business works. I just disregard the majority of their comments as the usual trash you see on other internet sites, much like 4Chan.

The only positive thing about AICN is the publicity film music gets over there and therefore an increase in sales from the sensible people.

When Intrada's Predator was released and it sold out in a day, someone over there made this comment... and I'm not kidding here:


Put on BT since these asses only did 3k.
by Pixelsmack Aug 3rd, 2010
10:13:26 PM
3000 copies only? Thanks assholes. Some one torrent this shit asap. This is yet another reason why people run to torrents. Fuck heads.


Disgusting.

 
 Posted:   Sep 1, 2010 - 11:39 AM   
 By:   BasilFSM   (Member)

On a positive note, however: this album is now up on the video game music database! smile

http://vgmdb.net/album/20939
http://vgmdb.net/forums/showthread.php?t=5240


(that's me as "Blue_Kirby2", by the way)

 
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