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 Posted:   Feb 12, 2011 - 6:10 PM   
 By:   Ford A. Thaxton   (Member)


You're being the dramatic one. Soop.broth is letting others know that there may be a hiccup with their orders, and to check on them to make sure they haven't disappeared either.


Rubbish, it sounds like a glitch on paypals part, all he has too do is email intrada and give them a REASONABLE timeframe to answer before posting this nonsense here.

Or why not go to their OWN FORUM and post the question there, they do tend to keep a close eye on it....

What do you gain by being so boorish and unpleasant? What possible purpose are you serving by acting like soop's just personally attacked you?

There is a bit of history with this person and posting this nonsense before the other party has had a chance to answer him (assuming he has contacted them about the issue DIRECTLY) is grossly unfair to them.

That's what i call "boorish and unpleasant" conduct IMHO.


Ford A. Thaxton



 
 
 Posted:   Feb 12, 2011 - 6:13 PM   
 By:   Ford A. Thaxton   (Member)

He said he emailed them.

OK then, all he needed to do was WAIT until the next business day for an answer.

That's what a reasonable and thoughtful person would do.

That's not so hard now is it?


Ford A. Thaxton

 
 Posted:   Feb 12, 2011 - 6:34 PM   
 By:   David Sones (Allardyce)   (Member)

Stop polluting the thread with the argument clinic, please. Be civil or clam up. This thread should be an opportunity to celebrate a great Les Baxter release!

 
 Posted:   Feb 12, 2011 - 7:30 PM   
 By:   Steve Johnson   (Member)

Stop polluting the thread with the argument clinic, please. Be civil or clam up. This thread should be an opportunity to celebrate a great Les Baxter release!

You sound like Ralph Kramden trying to eat his dinner when all the tenants of the building are ringing the buzzer when he moonlit as the building superintendent.

 
 Posted:   Feb 12, 2011 - 7:49 PM   
 By:   soop.broth   (Member)

I'll update when I hear back from Intrada. I emailed them before even posting here and I suspect everything will work out fine. Hopefully your orders will be fine as well. That's truly all I wanted and I suspect most of you still reading this understand that.

There's no "history" here. I love Intrada and have never spoken ill about them. Ever.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 12, 2011 - 9:03 PM   
 By:   Doc Loch   (Member)

Well, I appreciate soop.broth posting this because I ordered Usher with several other CDs that are backordered so it might not ship anytime soon and if there turned out to be a problem with the orders I would want to know about it. I checked my account and the order is still pending, so it looks like the problem is a glitch with your Paypal account rather than at Intrada's end. Hope it all works out for you. I also now appreciate why the Report Abuse option needed to be created.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 12, 2011 - 10:25 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

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 Posted:   Feb 13, 2011 - 6:30 AM   
 By:   Graham S. Watt   (Member)

Thanks to those who pointed me in the direction of European stores which have this as "pre-order" - I've made enquiries and am waiting to hear back. One question from a dumb caveman (that's me) - How does CD distribution work? I mean, if Intrada presses 1,200 copies of a CD and within a few days it's sold out both at Intrada and at SAE, does this mean that other stores (like the aforementioned European ones) don't get the amount of copies they ask for (because there are none left to get), and so there's nothing to "pre-order"? Does the "sold out" notice go up at Intrada AFTER they have sent various batches to other outlets? I know I'm sounding like a man who has just drunk two bottles of wine (that was last night) but can anyone figure out what I mean? Well done!

Thanks to OnyaBirri and others who have mentioned the quality of the music itself. I've always considered this and PIT AND THE PENDULUM to be the pinnacle of Les Baxter's film work. There is a lushness to those scores, mixed with striking modernisms, which is just breathtaking. I even prefer USHER and PENDULUM to the much-lauded MASTER OF THE WORLD. As I say, HOUSE OF USHER is simply brilliant, and after PIT AND THE PENDULUM I don't think he ever gave us anything quite so great - some of his later work is sadly cheap sounding, unsubtle and unimaginative. But not USHER. It's as if Baxter was Corman's alter-ego. With 25 bucks they came up with a film that looked and sounded as good as CITIZEN KANE.

A final question about this release, just to make me feel worse if I never get it. Does the lengthy final track include the fiery climax, the moody pause as the house sinks into the swamp, and the "You Have Been Watchin" End Credits as heard in the film? I can't recall off-hand if the last 15 minutes in the movie are scored wall-to-wall. Or is that last track a suite compiled from other sources? Thanks!

HOUSE OF USHER - One of the greatest scores ever written, and for a marvelous film!

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 13, 2011 - 7:13 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)



A final question about this release, just to make me feel worse if I never get it. Does the lengthy final track include the fiery climax, the moody pause as the house sinks into the swamp, and the "You Have Been Watchin" End Credits as heard in the film? I can't recall off-hand if the last 15 minutes in the movie are scored wall-to-wall. Or is that last track a suite compiled from other sources? Thanks!



Unless someone else answers your question, I will pop in the movie today and compare.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 13, 2011 - 8:00 AM   
 By:   Graham S. Watt   (Member)

Thanks, Onya - I've got the DVD too, but since I haven't got the CD then I'm only half-way there. I kind of imagined that the End Credits would be a separate track (if it's on the CD at all).

 
 Posted:   Feb 13, 2011 - 8:00 AM   
 By:   Carcosa2004   (Member)

Mine arrived yesterday and I've sampled a few tracks and they are not bad at all. Nice package all around. I do have a question about mono recordings that I hope someone can answer....

Why do some mono releases (THE GHOST AND MRS MUIR and more recently the complete mono recording of SPARTACUS being the best examples) seem to have such a full and dynamic sound where the bulk of mono recordings do not? What kind of sound engineering wizardry is involved here? Perhaps all mono recordings are not created equally?

Hope some of the pros who frequent the board can chime in here.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 13, 2011 - 8:05 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

Mono is no different from stereo - it's just how it's mixed. The quality of the recording is based on the elements used for the album in question. If you have a first generation mono mix, it will likely sound great. If it's several generations away and used for a stem, it will probably have some hiss, some compression, and maybe lack some dynamics (because of how it's used in the film).

If you have a stereo mix that is several generations removed and tinkered with, it won't sound very good either.

EDIT: For anyone who equates "mono" with "lo-fi," I would suggest that you listen to some mono Capitol LPs from the 1950s, which are sonically some of the best recordings you will ever hear. Don't forget that all hi-fi was exclusively mono for the first several years.

 
 Posted:   Feb 13, 2011 - 9:10 AM   
 By:   John-73   (Member)

Thanks to those who pointed me in the direction of European stores which have this as "pre-order" - I've made enquiries and am waiting to hear back.

Graham, I think I'd just place your pre-order with them anyway - in the time you take to hear back from them their pre-order allotment might have been sold out...

You obviously have a lot of love for this score, and I'd hate to see you miss out wink

Best,

- John

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 13, 2011 - 9:14 AM   
 By:   Graham S. Watt   (Member)

Good advice, Enforcer. I'm always doing things the "Tick Oirish" way around. By the way, I think THE ENFORCER is an underrated Dirty Harry movie and a great listen on CD!

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 13, 2011 - 9:26 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

Graham, the CD ends just like the movie.

The final track is 13 minutes long. It is called "Fall of the House of Usher." It has the climactic fire scene music, then the low descending chromatic notes when you see the house sinking into the mist, then the final music that rolls over the end credits - pure Les Baxter; put some bongoes under it and it would fit snugly onto "The Sacred Idol."

Thank you, Tiki Gods, for bringing us this amazing release!

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 13, 2011 - 9:33 AM   
 By:   Graham S. Watt   (Member)

Thanks, Onya... Jeez, I really want to get this!

 
 Posted:   Feb 13, 2011 - 10:19 AM   
 By:   John-73   (Member)

Thanks, Onya... Jeez, I really want to get this!

Any luck pre-ordering from Chris' soundtrack corner site?

http://www.soundtrackcorner.de/house-of-usher-p4511.htm

They're still offering it for pre-order.

- John

 
 Posted:   Feb 13, 2011 - 3:23 PM   
 By:   Carcosa2004   (Member)

Mono is no different from stereo - it's just how it's mixed. The quality of the recording is based on the elements used for the album in question. If you have a first generation mono mix, it will likely sound great. If it's several generations away and used for a stem, it will probably have some hiss, some compression, and maybe lack some dynamics (because of how it's used in the film).

If you have a stereo mix that is several generations removed and tinkered with, it won't sound very good either.

EDIT: For anyone who equates "mono" with "lo-fi," I would suggest that you listen to some mono Capitol LPs from the 1950s, which are sonically some of the best recordings you will ever hear. Don't forget that all hi-fi was exclusively mono for the first several years.


Yes, all true...but some of these mono albums are taken from master tapes, etc. and they still don't seem to have the dynamic range. I'm just wondering how much is due to the engineering wizardry as well. The SPARTACUS tracks in particular sound fantastic.

Sinatra's early Capitol albums are prime example of your point. They have amazing sound.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 13, 2011 - 3:44 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)



Yes, all true...but some of these mono albums are taken from master tapes, etc. and they still don't seem to have the dynamic range. I'm just wondering how much is due to the engineering wizardry as well. The SPARTACUS tracks in particular sound fantastic.



Well, there are so many factors that determine whether anything sounds good or bad. One weak link in the chain will result in a substandard end result.

Are we discussing film scores in particular? I would assume that many, many film scores were/are not recorded with the level of quality control associated with an album being produced by a major label.

The Outer Limits 3-CD set is mostly if not entirely mono, and most of it sounds great. Clearly, these were well recorded, and the sources for the album were probably not far removed from the masters.

Of course, things can be cleaned up at the mastering stage, but there is only so much leeway, depending on what the engineer has to work with.

I have long wanted to start a mono thread to clear up some of the misconceptions. Maybe I'll do that this week.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 13, 2011 - 7:43 PM   
 By:   Robert0320   (Member)

I am one happy camper. This score is wonderful and the recording is clear.

 
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