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This is a comments thread about FSM CD: Testament
 
 Posted:   Apr 9, 2011 - 4:07 PM   
 By:   drivingmissdaisy   (Member)


I don't quite understand that mentality. How does it 'deserve' to be on its own? What's stopping people who want to from pressing the stop button (or, perhaps, putting it in the later part of the CD)?


I agree with that!



I'm glad we all agree that it deserves to be on it's own, it's nice that we agree on that!

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 9, 2011 - 4:28 PM   
 By:   JamesSouthall   (Member)

Once in a while, I have to think like a businessman, and I figured that just about everyone who was going to buy this for $16.95 would also buy it for $19.95. I need that extra money to cover the production costs.

That's the story! I hope people buy this CD because it's really wonderful work.


So do I. There are many things in life I don't agree with, but do understand - refusing to buy a CD because it's only half an hour long is not one of them.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 9, 2011 - 6:18 PM   
 By:   captain_avis   (Member)

Lukas,
I know that you don't like to talk too much about CD sales numbers, but could you give us an indication if Testament is selling quickly (like some other low-volume Horner titles). I will probably pick this up but would like to wait until the end of the month to combine orders.

Cheers,

Chris.

 
 Posted:   Apr 9, 2011 - 6:42 PM   
 By:   drivingmissdaisy   (Member)

Petie, you must be one happy Hornie these days. He's really been getting the royal treatment the past couple of years, and there's probably nobody as thrilled about it as you. Even other serious Hornies probably can't grasp the extent of your happiness about releases like Testament and others, eh? Ain't it grand? I'm happy for you, as if you popped out a kid. Heh. big grin

Yes Dave the last few years have just been wonderful. I mean to get Something Wicked and thn Journey of Natty Gann was a dream. Really my last holy Grail of James is In Country.

I'm so thankful for LK and anyone else who releases Horners stuff. Henry is our resident Conti admirer and I'm the Horner one.

Like I said before, it was a great decision to NOT couple this with another.

 
 Posted:   Apr 10, 2011 - 10:45 AM   
 By:   Sirusjr   (Member)

Lukas,
I know that you don't like to talk too much about CD sales numbers, but could you give us an indication if Testament is selling quickly (like some other low-volume Horner titles). I will probably pick this up but would like to wait until the end of the month to combine orders.

Cheers,

Chris.


You should be fine. I can't remember a single FSM release that had low quantity alerts within a month of release. The higher number of units tends to make people feel more relaxed in their purchasing decisions.

 
 Posted:   Apr 10, 2011 - 11:53 AM   
 By:   Lukas Kendall   (Member)

Lukas,
I know that you don't like to talk too much about CD sales numbers, but could you give us an indication if Testament is selling quickly (like some other low-volume Horner titles). I will probably pick this up but would like to wait until the end of the month to combine orders.

Cheers,

Chris.


You should be fine. I can't remember a single FSM release that had low quantity alerts within a month of release. The higher number of units tends to make people feel more relaxed in their purchasing decisions.


No good deed goes unpunished!

Buy more CDs or I throw the rest in the dumpster!

Lukas

 
 Posted:   Apr 10, 2011 - 12:14 PM   
 By:   billiosis   (Member)

No good deed goes unpunished!

Buy more CDs or I throw the rest in the dumpster!

Lukas


Then I shall soon start working for sanitation lol.

 
 Posted:   Apr 10, 2011 - 12:26 PM   
 By:   OneBuckFilms   (Member)

Lukas,

I think I should add a note of agreement on not pairing it with another score.

Given the subject matter, and the scores available that would fit both space and theme wise, that an isolated release really is the only way to go.

A big part of the value of this CD is the effort and expense of getting the music from those 3M tapes, so the $19 price tag is more than justified.

This was never a holy grail, but after hearing the samples, I just had to get it.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 10, 2011 - 12:47 PM   
 By:   TerraEpon   (Member)


Given the subject matter, and the scores available that would fit both space and theme wise, that an isolated release really is the only way to go.


See that's the thing. I don't know if any other Horner scores would work in this case mechanically (i.e. they would be allowed and there's enough room), but I don't still get why it should matter so much if they are "in theme" or not. One of the most famous Shostakovich recordings has his serious Symphony #5 coupled with the light and humerous #9 (and this coupling has been done on other CDs too). Many many other classical releases are of similar. It just strikes me as very odd that just because it happened to be about this then it's an anathema to couple it with something that might be a bit less serious.

 
 Posted:   Apr 10, 2011 - 2:49 PM   
 By:   TominAtl   (Member)

If there was another Horner score in the Paramount library that was of a compatible tone and available for licensing, I would have tried to combine them...but there wasn't.

Sorry, but I'm not pairing a nuclear holocaust movie with -- what, The Big Bus?

About the price...not that long ago we released the Hawaii Five-0 Capitol LP on CD and because it's so short, we marked it down quite a bit. In fact we have a long, long history of CDs with ample playing times, bonus tracks, and even two-LPs-on-one-CD for $16.95 (not $19.95).

But Testament did not come cheap. The master tapes were on the super-rare 3M 1" 32-track format that can only be transferred by Walt Disney Imagineering (who operate the last machine on earth that can play these tapes) and it was expensive.

Once in a while, I have to think like a businessman, and I figured that just about everyone who was going to buy this for $16.95 would also buy it for $19.95. I need that extra money to cover the production costs.

That's the story! I hope people buy this CD because it's really wonderful work.

Lukas


You go, boy!

 
 Posted:   Apr 10, 2011 - 2:52 PM   
 By:   TominAtl   (Member)

Ah, I remember seeing this movie at one of the only small independent theatres in Atlanta back then(changed alot since then). It was a tough movie to sit through, but I loved it. Small and beautifully done and Horners score was done just the same. It was music like this that made me a fan of his.

 
 Posted:   Apr 10, 2011 - 2:52 PM   
 By:   Loren   (Member)

It just strikes me as very odd that just because it happened to be about this then it's an anathema to couple it with something that might be a bit less serious.

Ok it's not an anathema but it's a natural need to keep the music from Testament (especially if you have seen the movie) on its own. For instance, the experiment to include THE PRIZE in the POLTERGEIST 2CD is not to blame, but the truth is that I always stop at track # 15 because I don't want to bias the Poltergeist flavour with something different (besides I would have grabbed it regardless of the Prize).

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 10, 2011 - 3:58 PM   
 By:   Ian J.   (Member)

Buy more CDs or I throw the rest in the dumpster!

Lukas


Well, this one is certainly a must for me, but unfortunately until I have cash in the right place (and there are some issues with that due to problems with lack of employment, etc., etc.) I can't place an order frown

I really do want to see releases like this do well, but for me right this very minute and for the purely selfish reason of wanting one, I find myself hoping it takes a while to sell out...

 
 Posted:   Apr 11, 2011 - 12:43 AM   
 By:   CCW1970   (Member)

If there was another Horner score in the Paramount library that was of a compatible tone and available for licensing, I would have tried to combine them...but there wasn't.

Sorry, but I'm not pairing a nuclear holocaust movie with -- what, The Big Bus?

About the price...not that long ago we released the Hawaii Five-0 Capitol LP on CD and because it's so short, we marked it down quite a bit. In fact we have a long, long history of CDs with ample playing times, bonus tracks, and even two-LPs-on-one-CD for $16.95 (not $19.95).

But Testament did not come cheap. The master tapes were on the super-rare 3M 1" 32-track format that can only be transferred by Walt Disney Imagineering (who operate the last machine on earth that can play these tapes) and it was expensive.

Once in a while, I have to think like a businessman, and I figured that just about everyone who was going to buy this for $16.95 would also buy it for $19.95. I need that extra money to cover the production costs.

That's the story! I hope people buy this CD because it's really wonderful work.

Lukas


Indeed.

Folks, these labels need to turn a profit to survive. As we all know, the soundtracks we love to buy represent a tiny, tiny portion of the music market. Think about just how many great gems have been released in recent years. While contemplating that, think about all the work it takes to get the rights, photo clearances, tracking down master tapes, artwork, working to include the composer (if they're alive and interested), making sure the disc manufacturing goes well, dealing with the studio, legal paperwork, QCing the finished product and getting it into the marketplace, all the while working on who knows how many other titles we're all craving for.

Given all that, these people have lives, families, mortgages - a myriad of other responsibilities none of us have any way of knowing about ( to be sure, nor is it really any of our business).

Given all the BS one has to deal with in the entertainment business as a whole, the fact that we have such wonderful labels as FSM, La La Land, Intrada et all, along with the respective soundtrack producers, is really quite astonishing.

We ought to be very grateful that people like Lukas are as attentive to their customers, especially since the kind of customer service we get from FSM and the rest of the labels is so rare (not to mention a customer base that has elements who, quite frankly, can be less than appreciative if not outright hostile).

What these labels do is unique. It's not like opening up a Taco Bell franchise (although the capitalist in me appreciates those who do, even if I'm not a Taco Bell fan).

Lukas is essentially the equivalent of a CEO from Pepsico or Time Warner showing up on these boards and personally responding to customer's questions. Yes, it's on a much smaller and specific scale. Still, the analogy isn't too far off. How many companies do we give our patronage to who are so communicative to their customers? I don't think too many. We should try to remember that.

 
 Posted:   Apr 11, 2011 - 2:06 PM   
 By:   OneBuckFilms   (Member)


Given the subject matter, and the scores available that would fit both space and theme wise, that an isolated release really is the only way to go.


See that's the thing. I don't know if any other Horner scores would work in this case mechanically (i.e. they would be allowed and there's enough room), but I don't still get why it should matter so much if they are "in theme" or not. One of the most famous Shostakovich recordings has his serious Symphony #5 coupled with the light and humerous #9 (and this coupling has been done on other CDs too). Many many other classical releases are of similar. It just strikes me as very odd that just because it happened to be about this then it's an anathema to couple it with something that might be a bit less serious.


Interesting point, but with Classical releases, you are dealing often with works that are related in some way, for instance, same composer, or similar musical nature.

That simply doesn't exist here.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 11, 2011 - 2:15 PM   
 By:   Kev McGann   (Member)

As someone said above, I think the only scores that would 'sit well' with TESTAMENT are THE STONE BOY or SURVIVING, two short TV scores by Horner cut from similar cloth.
But if they weren't available, or are different studios and such, it's understandable why the extra costs weren't undertaken to procure them.
Maybe that old TV film THE DAY AFTER would have been apt too (can't remember who scored that though).

 
 Posted:   Apr 11, 2011 - 2:19 PM   
 By:   Mark Langdon   (Member)

As someone said above, I think the only scores that would 'sit well' with TESTAMENT are THE STONE BOY or SURVIVING, two short TV scores by Horner cut from similar cloth.
But if they weren't available, or are different studios and such, it's understandable why the extra costs weren't undertaken to procure them.
Maybe that old TV film THE DAY AFTER would have been apt too (can't remember who scored that though).


David Raksin scored The Day After. Funnily enough, The Day After was directed by Nicholas Meyer the year after Star Trek II... if he'd used Horner again it would've been even more apt!

 
 Posted:   Apr 11, 2011 - 2:23 PM   
 By:   Michael_McMahan   (Member)

Thank you very much for TESTAMENT, guys. I've been looking forward to a proper release for many years. Such a gorgeous, heartbreaking score.

 
 Posted:   Apr 15, 2011 - 8:35 AM   
 By:   drivingmissdaisy   (Member)

I got Rascals and Robbers yesterday and today I get Testament, I'm in Horner paradise.

I know that the equipment they recorded it on is obsolete and that Disney has one machine still working, but WOW. Maybe they need to go back to this old system as I have been thoroughly impressed. I think Something Wicked was recorded on it as well and it sounds absolutely great.

It sounds just as good as today's recordings.

 
 Posted:   Apr 15, 2011 - 8:57 PM   
 By:   OneBuckFilms   (Member)

Just got this today.

Absolutely beautiful and haunting. This is a real tear-jerker.

Very nice release. Thanks FSM !!!

 
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