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I'm really thrilled with the new expanded release, but the Varese edition sounds fine and is a great release in and of itself.
We should bear in mind that these labels are competitiors are will sometimes exagerate - not lie mind you - but slightly embellish their product. I don't take offence because as a fan I'm always on the lookout for improvements and any release that has been bettered is forever welcome for me, especially when several (this case seven) years have passed between releases.
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Nov 29, 2011 - 11:01 PM
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bdm
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I have also had no issues with the Varese disc (and it sound fine on my expensive sound system), but as this is my fave Goldsmith I was eager and happy to buy the vinyl, even more happy to buy the Memoir disc, happier still with the Varese as it was expanded, and happier still with Intrada's new edition as it is complete!
As I love this score, I still have the vinyl, the Memoir, the Varese, and will keep them all and add the Intrada to them (why so many here toss older copies has always puzzled me; I guess they need the shelf space - and I can sympathize with that); and I am very pleased to have an "ultimate edition" - I hope Jeff's liner notes contains directions for a full C&C program (if not, no big deal; I can figure that out myself, be nice to have someone do the math for me ).
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It puzzles ME why anyone would keep the redundant copies.
It's just the "Collector" mentality, you have to have every version of a particular release.
Also, there are some people who just can't throw anything away.
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It puzzles ME why anyone would keep the redundant copies.
It's just the "Collector" mentality, you have to have every version of a particular release.
Also, there are some people who just can't throw anything away.
Some of us do not have to have every single minute of the score! I used to give away the old release, only to get tired skipping over the extra unneeded cues in a C&C and wishing I had the old release back. I will have to think on this release, having the LP and the previous CD from Varese (which sounds fine to me). Yes, the new Intrada release has some extra music, but I do not believe it is worth double dipping.
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Nov 30, 2011 - 4:31 AM
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Ian J.
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It's not a question of exaggerating. The Varese CD is fundimentally flawed. The anvil is inaudible during the main title for Pete's sake!
The compressed clips on Intrada's website sound better than the Varese disc. The actual CD will blow it away.
Hmmm. Well, I've just done a comparison of the online clips, and the two layers on the Varese CD/SACD. Firstly let me say I'm not an audiophile, so this is purely subjective opinion.
The Varese CD layer sounds weakest, with less clarity. The SACD layer, whether in 2 track or multi track playback, sounds far and away superior. As for the Intrada clips, the anvil as mentioned sounds intrusive, like it's been raised too much, but overall the clips have a similar brightness to the Varese SACD layers. Without having the CD itself, I can't make a proper comparison, but the Intrada mix sounds more like a different choice about what to bring forward from the orchestra than an intrinsically better version.
I for one will still buy the Intrada eventually, but for the unreleased material not for the sound quality.
Oh, and listening to the Varese multi-channel version, it sounds so much more full and spatially aware, but I suppose that's what a multi-channel mix should sound like.
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It's just the "Collector" mentality, you have to have every version of a particular release.
Also, there are some people who just can't throw anything away.
I find the usage of the term "collector mentality" rather offensive, as it seems to be stereotyping film music fans into two categories, those who love the music and those who are "collector's", as if you can't be both. (Add a third: "speculators", Though admittedly, they are scum. )
I love film music, but there are also certain composers (Goldsmith and Williams, obvious I know) who I want everything by. I may not like CRIMINAL LAW all that much, but I still have to have it as part of my collection as it is an integral link in the chain of Goldsmith's development as an artist, as each of his scores is, so I may not love it like I do THE GREAT TRAIN ROBBERY or STAR TREK: THE MOTION PICTURE or MR. BASEBALL, but I do find it interesting on an intellectual level as part of Goldsmith's overall ouevre. As far as keeping the old versions when the new ones come out, I used to sell them on or give them away but there were too many times that I ended up regretting this for whatever reason: the old version sounded better, or had a different take, or had interesting liner notes. I don't see how this makes me any less of a lover of the music.
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Nov 30, 2011 - 7:57 AM
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bdm
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I didn't mean to start something by wondering why some don't keep older copies - it's a common quote in these new expanded release threads, "I can toss the earlier edition." I know they don't actually throw it away - perhaps take it to a used store, or trade it... maybe they do throw it away as they feel it has no value with the newer release available.
...Then in later threads you read, "This new disc has issues, I wish I had kept the old one." or the like. That's why I wondered why. I live in a house now, so I have room for boxes in the basement; if I still had an apartment... well, I don't know where I would put all these discs...
Anyway, I don't "toss" older edtions, they just go into a box in the basement - that way I could pull out the old FURY and the Memoir GTR/WR and compare for myself when folks say the older discs sound better than the newer - Fury perhaps a little fuller, and GTR, yes you can hear the anvil in the main title, but otherwise... to each ear it's own.
I don't think I keep it with a "collector mentality," perhaps it's just that I'm too lazy to take them to a used disc store, or - as I said with GTR - the score occupied a special place in my heart.
I'm sure some do keep older copies with their collections in mind, others let them go when better released come available. ...I hope they compare the two before they part with their old one though.
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"...so I may not love it like I do THE GREAT TRAIN ROBBERY or STAR TREK: THE MOTION PICTURE or MR. BASEBALL"
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AKA Goldsmith's Holy 3-Inity.
I thought you'd like that, Kev!
(Btw, apparently your team is getting split up tomorrow and you're getting moved around the corner. That's all I know, I don't know why this is the case.)
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