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 Posted:   Jan 19, 2012 - 1:40 AM   
 By:   Willgoldnewtonbarrygrusin   (Member)

So, who´s up to release an expanded PSYCHO II?

I´m sure that one would sell through the roof!

 
 Posted:   Jan 19, 2012 - 8:20 AM   
 By:   Jason LeBlanc   (Member)

But what is MOST important to me on this subject is the fact that Varese does NOT own Psycho II in perpetuity, and that pleases me. smile

This list doesn't say that, in fact. It only states the ones that have been confirmed that they DO. I have no idea if they have Psycho II in perpetuity or not! Maybe MV, Roger, or Doug could find out.


Varese does not own Psycho II in perpetuity. I have confirmed this with knowledgeable fellows in the industry. I'm the guy who's been pining for a complete release of Psycho II louder and longer than most, so you can trust my facts on this. smile




Ahhh! Great news!

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 19, 2012 - 9:32 AM   
 By:   Kevin Costigan   (Member)

But what is MOST important to me on this subject is the fact that Varese does NOT own Psycho II in perpetuity, and that pleases me. smile

This list doesn't say that, in fact. It only states the ones that have been confirmed that they DO. I have no idea if they have Psycho II in perpetuity or not! Maybe MV, Roger, or Doug could find out.

Varese does not own Psycho II in perpetuity. I have confirmed this with knowledgeable fellows in the industry. I'm the guy who's been pining for a complete release of Psycho II louder and longer than most, so you can trust my facts on this. smile



Doug or Roger posted a read-between-the-lines response to a Psycho 2 Quiery on the Intrada board that could be interpreted as that they are working on it as with other MCA titles (Conan 1 and 2 etc.)

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 19, 2012 - 10:39 AM   
 By:   ScottDS   (Member)

Varese is a business and should definitely listen to their customers (all 20 of them here, apparently). But, just to repeat — they are a BUSINESS. Why it makes sense to anyone here for them to release an expanded EXECUTIVE DECISION when the first album probably sold 500 copies, I can't explain.

I completely agree and I for one am thankful for every release I have, from the most lavish FSM boxset to the 30-minute releases from Varese.

However, I find it ironic that, for example, had Executive Decision not been released in 1996, it's possible La-La Land would be working on a 2-disc edition of it in 2012.

(That's not a hint or anything - just a hypothetical situation.)

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 19, 2012 - 11:24 AM   
 By:   Aggelos   (Member)


http://www.hans-zimmer.com/index.php?rub=disco&id=27

http://www.hans-zimmer.com/index.php?rub=disco&id=50

http://www.hans-zimmer.com/index.php?rub=disco&id=117

http://www.hans-zimmer.com/index.php?rub=disco&id=121

http://www.hans-zimmer.com/index.php?rub=disco&id=176

http://www.hans-zimmer.com/index.php?rub=disco&id=197

http://www.hans-zimmer.com/index.php?rub=disco&id=507




Guys, anyone has any info whether Varese is still guarding the rights jealously for the above titles?

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 19, 2012 - 12:21 PM   
 By:   richuk   (Member)

It doesn't help that Varese's interaction with customers is basically zero - we get answers through their PR people, and not Townson himself. It would be nice to hear his side of this.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 19, 2012 - 3:08 PM   
 By:   Randy Watson   (Member)

Varese is a business and should definitely listen to their customers (all 20 of them here, apparently). But, just to repeat — they are a BUSINESS. Why it makes sense to anyone here for them to release an expanded EXECUTIVE DECISION when the first album probably sold 500 copies, I can't explain.

I completely agree and I for one am thankful for every release I have, from the most lavish FSM boxset to the 30-minute releases from Varese.

However, I find it ironic that, for example, had Executive Decision not been released in 1996, it's possible La-La Land would be working on a 2-disc edition of it in 2012.

(That's not a hint or anything - just a hypothetical situation.)


Really surprised how often Executive Decision is mentioned here. While fun, I think the 30min Varese release is just fine.

Small Soldiers and The Haunting on the other hand... Would love to see those expanded...

 
 Posted:   Jan 19, 2012 - 3:16 PM   
 By:   David Sones (Allardyce)   (Member)


Really surprised how often Executive Decision is mentioned here. While fun, I think the 30min Varese release is just fine.

Small Soldiers and The Haunting on the other hand... Would love to see those expanded...


It's just 'cause some of us love Executive Decision particularly and think it's one of Goldsmith's best of the '90s. The album is good, but there's a great deal more music in the film that would be great to have and hear in glorious sound. Some expansions, even if it's only a handful of cues, can really enhance the experience. For example, Intrada's Extreme Prejudice was a fine album, but the extra cues that were on the LLL expanded release were incredibly awesome and fun. Yeah I could have lived with the original album, but now I love that score 10 times more because of those extra tracks I had forgotten about.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 19, 2012 - 3:27 PM   
 By:   Randy Watson   (Member)


Really surprised how often Executive Decision is mentioned here. While fun, I think the 30min Varese release is just fine.

Small Soldiers and The Haunting on the other hand... Would love to see those expanded...


It's just 'cause some of us love Executive Decision particularly and think it's one of Goldsmith's best of the '90s. The album is good, but there's a great deal more music in the film that would be great to have and hear in glorious sound. Some expansions, even if it's only a handful of cues, can really enhance the experience. For example, Intrada's Extreme Prejudice was a fine album, but the extra cues that were on the LLL expanded release were incredibly awesome and fun. Yeah I could have lived with the original album, but now I love that score 10 times more because of those extra tracks I had forgotten about.


I always was under the impression that ED was considered to be one of Goldsmith lesser 90's scores, just like Chain Reaction and U.S. Marshalls.

No doubt, expansions can create a better listening experience. I love the LLL releases of First Knight, Sleeping with the Enemy and Forever Young. But it can also be the other way around, I enjoy the regular release of The Edge more than the expanded.

But truth be told, if there ever would be an expanded ED, I'd probably buy it! I was just surprised there's so much love for it.

 
 Posted:   Jan 19, 2012 - 5:25 PM   
 By:   Jason LeBlanc   (Member)

I always was under the impression that ED was considered to be one of Goldsmith lesser 90's scores, just like Chain Reaction and U.S. Marshalls.


Don't you think it's possible that the reason some people might think those scores to be among Goldsmith's lesser 90s work is because the official OSTs were too short to contain all the highlights?

 
 Posted:   Jan 19, 2012 - 5:37 PM   
 By:   Sarge   (Member)

The pain... the pain!

CONFIRMED

Basil Poledouris - 1993 - Robocop 3
Basil Poledouris - 1997 - Starship Troopers


SUSPECTED BUT UNCONFIRMED:

Basil Poledouris - 1995 - Under Siege 2
Basil Poledouris - 1994 - On Deadly Ground
Basil Poledouris - 1993 - Hot Shots Part Deux
Basil Poledouris - 1999 - For Love Of The Game


STARSHIP TROOPERS would benefit immensely from expanding, as would ROBOCOP 3. A complete STARSHIP TROOPERS would fill two CDs, and ROBOCOP 3 could easily be doubled in length.

UNDER SIEGE 2 and FOR LOVE OF THE GAME could also be doubled in length. Both are missing a large amount of good material.

ON DEADLY GROUND contains most of the score, as I recall. HOT SHOTS isn't missing much either, maybe a couple of minor cues.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 19, 2012 - 5:53 PM   
 By:   JamesSouthall   (Member)

I always was under the impression that ED was considered to be one of Goldsmith lesser 90's scores, just like Chain Reaction and U.S. Marshalls.


Don't you think it's possible that the reason some people might think those scores to be among Goldsmith's lesser 90s work is because the official OSTs were too short to contain all the highlights?


It's possible, but seems unlikely to me. Chain Reaction and US Marshals are decent albums - I enjoy them a lot, in fact - and they most certainly DO include all the highlights. Diluting those highlights by filling out a longer album with lesser music seems a strange aspiration.

Executive Decision on the other hand doesn't seem to have any highlights whatsoever, and that's coming from me, a frequent Goldsmith apologist. It's a perfect score for the film but one of his very few that doesn't work well away from it (for me - clearly others feel very differently).

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 19, 2012 - 6:25 PM   
 By:   Hercule Platini   (Member)

It's just 'cause some of us love Executive Decision particularly and think it's one of Goldsmith's best of the '90s. The album is good, but there's a great deal more music in the film that would be great to have and hear in glorious sound. Some expansions, even if it's only a handful of cues, can really enhance the experience. For example, Intrada's Extreme Prejudice was a fine album, but the extra cues that were on the LLL expanded release were incredibly awesome and fun. Yeah I could have lived with the original album, but now I love that score 10 times more because of those extra tracks I had forgotten about.

Oddly enough, I'm the exact opposite with EXTREME PREJUDICE. I have the expanded release but it's the Intrada CD I always play. I never felt those extra tracks added anything at all.

 
 Posted:   Jan 19, 2012 - 6:29 PM   
 By:   David Sones (Allardyce)   (Member)

It's just 'cause some of us love Executive Decision particularly and think it's one of Goldsmith's best of the '90s. The album is good, but there's a great deal more music in the film that would be great to have and hear in glorious sound. Some expansions, even if it's only a handful of cues, can really enhance the experience. For example, Intrada's Extreme Prejudice was a fine album, but the extra cues that were on the LLL expanded release were incredibly awesome and fun. Yeah I could have lived with the original album, but now I love that score 10 times more because of those extra tracks I had forgotten about.

Oddly enough, I'm the exact opposite with EXTREME PREJUDICE. I have the expanded release but it's the Intrada CD I always play. I never felt those extra tracks added anything at all.


Yeah, it's always interesting how one person reacts to music (expanded or otherwise) vastly different than another person. There's no doubt that music and how it connects to each person is a very individual (even personal) process.

 
 Posted:   Jan 20, 2012 - 11:14 AM   
 By:   Death Incarnate   (Member)

Gremlins 2...

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 20, 2012 - 11:49 AM   
 By:   alexp   (Member)

Pee Wee’s Big Adventure

Varese's first commercial album of the film was a re-recording made in England. MV tried to release the original film tracks. This was his response back in February 2010 on this forum:

....according to WB, Varese has the rights to release the "Original Soundtrack" should they choose to do so due to the other re-recording album they released (Much like The Right Stuff and North and South) So, hopefully, one day they shall!

MV


See the said post here:
http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=66030&forumID=1&archive=0

 
 Posted:   Jan 20, 2012 - 12:53 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

It doesn't help that Varese's interaction with customers is basically zero - we get answers through their PR people, and not Townson himself. It would be nice to hear his side of this.

Their side of what?

 
 Posted:   Jan 20, 2012 - 1:02 PM   
 By:   mstrox   (Member)

Pee Wee’s Big Adventure

Varese's first commercial album of the film was a re-recording made in England. MV tried to release the original film tracks. This was his response back in February 2010 on this forum:

....according to WB, Varese has the rights to release the "Original Soundtrack" should they choose to do so due to the other re-recording album they released (Much like The Right Stuff and North and South) So, hopefully, one day they shall!

MV


See the said post here:
http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=66030&forumID=1&archive=0


Thankfully, Pee-Wee's Big Adventure has been expanded in the (albeit pricey) Elfman/Burton box, including original score tracks. While it's not the ideal release, it looks like either Varese's rights have expired or they licensed it out (of course Richard Kraft and Varese have a good relationship IIRC, so it's possible that they let WMG use it as a favor).

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 20, 2012 - 2:36 PM   
 By:   Kevin Costigan   (Member)

Really surprised how often Executive Decision is mentioned here. While fun, I think the 30min Varese release is just fine.

Have you seen the film? With the exception of four cuts on the Varese Album, the best stuff is still unreleased. But as to what is good/bad is relative.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 20, 2012 - 2:38 PM   
 By:   Kevin Costigan   (Member)

Pee Wee’s Big Adventure

Varese's first commercial album of the film was a re-recording made in England. MV tried to release the original film tracks. This was his response back in February 2010 on this forum:

....according to WB, Varese has the rights to release the "Original Soundtrack" should they choose to do so due to the other re-recording album they released (Much like The Right Stuff and North and South) So, hopefully, one day they shall!

MV


See the said post here:
http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=66030&forumID=1&archive=0


I'd be interested in hearing how much WB had to shell out to Varese to sub-licence those tracks for the box set.

 
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