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 Posted:   Jul 30, 2012 - 10:34 AM   
 By:   Preston Neal Jones   (Member)

Please forgive me for repetition if you've read this from me on previous Williams threads.

Fred Astaire's presence as host drew me to "Alcoa Premiere" and to audio-recording every show on my Wollensak reel-to-reel. This was when I fell in love with Johnny Williams. Every "Alcoa" installment was like a self-contained movie with its own individual setting, characters and moods, so Williams provided in effect a miniature movie score every week -- romance, drama, suspense, Americana, noir, comedy, you name it, JW rose to the occasion. I can still hum some of those themes. And THAT is the JW TV music I most dream of being made available to the listening public.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 30, 2012 - 10:36 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Please forgive me for repetition if you've read this from me on previous Williams threads.

Fred Astaire's presence as host drew me to "Alcoa Premiere" and to audio-recording every show on my Wollensak reel-to-reel. This was when I fell in love with Johnny Williams. Every "Alcoa" installment was like a self-contained movie with its own individual setting, characters and moods, so Williams provided in effect a miniature movie score every week -- romance, drama, suspense, Americana, you name it, JW rose to the occasion. I can still hum some of those themes. And THAT is the JW TV music I most dream of being made available to the listening public.


Agreed. I haven't seen a single episode of the show, but I believe zooba put a couple of audio rips out on youtube awhile back. Sounds like it has great potential for a release. But all of the anthology shows he did seems lost in time and space.

 
 Posted:   Jul 30, 2012 - 10:41 AM   
 By:   Jeff Eldridge   (Member)

As it turns out, Williams did score the "Woman of Arles" episode of MARKHAM.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 30, 2012 - 11:04 AM   
 By:   musicwizard   (Member)

As it turns out, Williams did score the "Woman or Arles" episode of MARKHAM.

And you know this for sure because ..... ?
Any chance "we, the people" can hear / watch it too somehow? Always great to hear something "new" from the great maestro!

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 30, 2012 - 2:02 PM   
 By:   Jim Doherty   (Member)

Before I go on, let me say that I'm sorry if any of this info has already appeared in this post. I just sort of skimmed it so far.

I used to have VHS tapes of a few of the ALCOA PREMIERE episodes. I no longer have them, but I recall that the episodes "The Jail," "The Fortress." and "Seven Against the Sea" all had original Williams scores. The last one was particularly interesting as it starred Ernest Borgnine as McHale, and was sort of a dramatic version of McHALE'S NAVY, before that show got re-invented as a comedy series.

Williams also did the unaired GILLIGAN'S ISLAND pilot.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 30, 2012 - 2:28 PM   
 By:   Great Escape   (Member)



So the only thing I would be interested in there would be individual score episodes from CHECKMATE, some of which depart from the cuts on the existing album.


That's what I meant. But do you know if there is more Irwin Allen stuff that never made it to the CDs? I think all the Lost in Space music is there, but I don't know about the other shows.


Yes, all of Williams' music for LOST IN SPACE, THE TIME TUNNEL and LAND OF THE GIANTS has been released.


So he only did the pilot to Land of the Giants and the two episodes of Time Tunnel? Wow, I assumed he had done more. I wonder what composers did the bulk of them.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 30, 2012 - 2:38 PM   
 By:   Great Escape   (Member)

Nope, not letting this thread go untill we've tried to chart everything -- and then some. razz

Let's move on to his western-themed shows.

The first show of this kind that he worked on seems to be WAGON TRAIN (1957-1965). According to the FSM guide again, he scored 6 episodes in total spread over several seasons. Three tracks of his are available on the soundtrack LP, but there's still quite a lot of his material that should see the light of day. This entire show also seems to be out on DVD.

Then there's WIDE COUNTRY (1962-1963), which is also out on DVD. To my knowledge, Williams only wrote the theme for this (available on the THEMES TO REMEMBER LP), but please correct me if he did some episode scores as well.

There was a shortlived TV series adaptation of THE COWBOYS (1972) for which Harry Sukman of BONANZA and SALEM'S LOT fame provided the score. He also adapted Williams' theme for the movie as the opening credits, but I haven't heard this myself, nor seen the show. Haven't sought it out since I have some serious issues with the morality of the film (see separate thread). I also don't think it has a video release of any kind. Would be curious to hear if the theme is very different in Sukman's arrangement, though.

Finally, there have been longstanding rumours that he also worked on THE VIRGINIAN (1962-1971), but I haven't found any validity to this.

Would be cool to see a Williams western box, perhaps also adding his feature film scores for THE COWBOYS, THE PLAINSMAN, THE MISSOURI BREAKS, THE MAN WHO LOVED CAT DANCING and THE RARE BREED.

Any other western shows I've missed?


My recollection of the Cowboys theme was that it sounded like an edited down version of the film's main title using fewer of the different motives than the film did to make it still come full circle, but the instrumentations all sounded the same or close to the film's recording.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 30, 2012 - 2:45 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Before I go on, let me say that I'm sorry if any of this info has already appeared in this post. I just sort of skimmed it so far.

I used to have VHS tapes of a few of the ALCOA PREMIERE episodes. I no longer have them, but I recall that the episodes "The Jail," "The Fortress." and "Seven Against the Sea" all had original Williams scores. The last one was particularly interesting as it starred Ernest Borgnine as McHale, and was sort of a dramatic version of McHALE'S NAVY, before that show got re-invented as a comedy series.

Williams also did the unaired GILLIGAN'S ISLAND pilot.


Yeah, all of this was covered in the lengthy list a bit down the thread. I should maybe move that list to the first post for convenience. Williams did 56 episodes of ALCOA, so yeah....lots to choose from.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 30, 2012 - 4:09 PM   
 By:   KonstantinosZ   (Member)

As it turns out, Williams did score the "Woman or Arles" episode of MARKHAM.

yeah, I would be interested too to know what is your source for that..

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 30, 2012 - 4:29 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Always with the mystery, that Jeff Eldridge. wink

 
 Posted:   Jul 30, 2012 - 9:21 PM   
 By:   Jeff Eldridge   (Member)


And you know this for sure because ..... ?


 
 
 Posted:   Jul 31, 2012 - 1:24 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Cool, a still will do fine. I'll add it to the list.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 31, 2012 - 1:38 AM   
 By:   musicwizard   (Member)

Okay Jeff, that’s impressive! Thanks for solving this riddle. While you seem to be good at this game I’ve got one more for you :-)

- Convoy
He supposed to have scored 2 episodes do you know which?

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 31, 2012 - 11:51 AM   
 By:   KonstantinosZ   (Member)

Thor, which is your source for many of these?
i mean about Alcoa premiere:
I saw in FSM issue that they say it's 22 episodes from season 1, and 18 from season 2.
Where did you find that it's 28 + 28?

By the way, I think i can have access to some of these series, so it would be good to know the exact episodes (for the ones you have put a certain number that is).
but that would require a lot of work.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 31, 2012 - 2:07 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Thor, which is your source for many of these?
i mean about Alcoa premiere:
I saw in FSM issue that they say it's 22 episodes from season 1, and 18 from season 2.
Where did you find that it's 28 + 28?.


My source is Jeff Eldridge, who corrected my info from the FSM guide. See earlier in the thread. Since he was right on the MARKHAM thing, I assume his sources are good in this case too.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 1, 2012 - 6:17 AM   
 By:   KonstantinosZ   (Member)

Ok, i hadn't seen or remembered this.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 19, 2012 - 6:31 AM   
 By:   Miguel Andrade   (Member)

Just found this one at youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pc7uo01kQuw&feature=relmfu

This member has a number of shows posted over there smile

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 19, 2012 - 7:00 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Great! A small taste of what's out there, at the very least. There's so much exciting Williams music in that show alone that CRIES out for a release.

By the way, the bit at 01:00....I always thought that was the SGT. RYKER theme! Now, I know that this film was adapted from an episode of KRAFT SUSPENSE THEATRE, but didn't that come later?! Or was it earlier? The episode in this clip uses the other theme, after all.

Confused.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 8, 2012 - 5:48 AM   
 By:   KonstantinosZ   (Member)

One of the Kraft Mystery Theater episodes scored by Williams is (according to imdb) "Breakout" (season 1 episode 4).
have you found Thor the other 2?
According again to FSM, there were 3 episodes scored by Williams.

edit: Sorry, maybe it's wrong eventually. I see imdb lists Williams as the composer for the complete seasons. So we don't know exactly which episodes he scored indeed!

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 8, 2012 - 6:16 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

No, I'm as lost as you as far as MYSTERY THEATER is concerned.

I just recently got total overview of the SUSPENSE episodes, pr. the other thread I recently posted.

Am I right to say that MYSTERY THEATER only lasted from April-1958 to September-1958? This is what Wikipedia says, anyway.

I don't think he ever worked on KRAFT TELEVISION THEATER (1947-1958) or KRAFT SUMMER MUSICAL HALL (1966).

There's too much KRAFT going around! smile

 
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