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 Posted:   Jul 7, 2012 - 5:33 PM   
 By:   michael3959   (Member)

I don't understand the need for this at all; the film was pretty lousy and the score sub-par Vangelis at best. There's surely more deserving scores that deserve the La La Land 2-disc treatment.

Oh well, I guess some will get very excited about this.


I thought the film was good, and would take a film like this any day over a film like THE AVENGERS.

 
 Posted:   Jul 7, 2012 - 5:36 PM   
 By:   scoringsessions   (Member)


Given the past releases that were sublicensed deals with other labels (i.e. BATMAN from WME and Warner Bros., STAR TREK: TMP from Sony Music and Paramount Pictures), you gotta realize that part of the deal is that the original album needs to be licensed from the original record label to get the score pieces that had been released, and then the rest of the score tracks are licensed from the studio. Given the cost of licensing (not the part I'm familiar with, admittedly) I believe that it just makes sense to license the full original album, and release that along with the new stuff.


Just curious Dan but do you know why this wasn't the case with Batman Returns? That one didn't have a third disc with the original album program...

Yavar


We didn't have a third disc with BATMAN and BATMAN FOREVER either. As long as one is able to sequence the original album from the newly expanded release, then you should be good. And in the case of BATMAN RETURNS, that's why we have the "Album versions" on Disc 2, tracks 10-15....

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 7, 2012 - 10:34 PM   
 By:   TerraEpon   (Member)

Why is it no one has ever mentioned the contractual obligations with including the original album before?

 
 Posted:   Jul 7, 2012 - 10:46 PM   
 By:   Tom Servo   (Member)

Why is it no one has ever mentioned the contractual obligations with including the original album before?

It has indeed been mentioned before, I have read about here on the board. Also in talking with the LLL guys at different events here in town I learned about this...

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 8, 2012 - 5:02 AM   
 By:   Simon Underwood   (Member)

I don't understand the need for this at all; the film was pretty lousy and the score sub-par Vangelis at best. There's surely more deserving scores that deserve the La La Land 2-disc treatment.

Oh well, I guess some will get very excited about this.


I thought the film was good, and would take a film like this any day over a film like THE AVENGERS.


*sigh*

Why does everything praised on this board have to be at the expense of saying what you don't like at the same time?

Black Rain's a good movie. The Avengers is a good movie. Both have good scores, and soon, both scores will have had the release they deserve.

It is possible to defend something without going on the attack at something else.

 
 Posted:   Jul 8, 2012 - 10:46 AM   
 By:   La La Land Records   (Member)

Why is it no one has ever mentioned the contractual obligations with including the original album before?

It has indeed been mentioned before, I have read about here on the board. Also in talking with the LLL guys at different events here in town I learned about this...


A lot of times the way these deals are structured is that the original album is considered a reissue and the extra stuff (like the complete score) is a "bonus disc". It's just not marketed that way to the masses. It's all internal so don't worry your pretty lil' heads about it..

MV

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 8, 2012 - 11:17 AM   
 By:   ghost of 82   (Member)

What? Black Rain is a good movie? Did I wander into some alternate universe? Some people have such low expectations. It's one of Ridley Scotts worst movies, clearly a 'director for hire' effort back when Ridley was struggling to make a hit movie after the failures of Blade Runner, Legend & Someone To Watch Over Me (now THAT is a film that deserves a soundtrack release).

Even back when I saw Black Rain at the cinema, the so-called 'hero' was a poor man's Dirty Harry and world-weary cop routine we'd seen in countless movies; the script was predictable and frankly mildly rascist in parts, the score immitated both Vangelis & the main theme from Merry Christmas, Mr Lawrence.

It's a mess of a movie; I always it thought it was some kind of egoistic vanity project for Michael Douglas to be honest, and chuckled quite merrily whenever he rode in on his motorcycle.

I remain open to an expanded disc changing my mind about the score, but the movie? Ugh.

 
 Posted:   Jul 8, 2012 - 11:46 AM   
 By:   Nyborg   (Member)

I always it thought it was some kind of egoistic vanity project for Michael Douglas to be honest,

but it never claimed to be anything else, that's what it was marketed as, that was the brief going in, and as such, it's corny sure, but "a mess"? hardly.
and it's not purely "director-for-hire" material, if you look closely it's a clear extension of scott's blade runner style, he jumped at the chance to shoot in an urban japanese environment, and he made the most of it, the atmosphere in the movie is particularly sharp.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 8, 2012 - 1:33 PM   
 By:   Disco Stu   (Member)

My favourite Zimmer by a long shot.
Very intested with a bit of trepidation. Been wanting this one ever since I compared the film to the CD. It didn't have the favourite music in it (where the Michael Douglas character is following one of the hoods on foot). I sure wish that my expectations are met or at least that my expectations aren't unreasonably high.

Will definitely be checking this out. Thanks in advance LaLa.

D.S.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 8, 2012 - 1:40 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

I always it thought it was some kind of egoistic vanity project for Michael Douglas to be honest,

but it never claimed to be anything else, that's what it was marketed as, that was the brief going in, and as such, it's corny sure, but "a mess"? hardly.
and it's not purely "director-for-hire" material, if you look closely it's a clear extension of scott's blade runner style, he jumped at the chance to shoot in an urban japanese environment, and he made the most of it, the atmosphere in the movie is particularly sharp.


Agreed. As with all Scott films, much of the film's meaning and subtext are communicated exclusively through audiovisuals. I think it's a great 'epic' film clothed in a traditional cop drama.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 8, 2012 - 2:25 PM   
 By:   Koray Savas   (Member)

Keep bringing in the Zimmer, MV!

I have no doubt we'll see Bird On A Wire and Where Sleeping Dogs Lie in time.

 
 Posted:   Jul 9, 2012 - 9:12 AM   
 By:   First Breath   (Member)

About the songs, I guess I'm somewhere in between Thor calling them brilliant and Platini calling them garbage. I'll Be Holding On and Living On The Edge Of The Night are both good, while Laser Man, Singin' In The Shower and The Way You Do The Things You Do are quite awful. Back To Life is so-so.

Here they are:

"I'LL BE HOLDING ON"
By Hans Zimmer and Will Jennings
Performed by Gregg Allman
Produced by David Paich
Gregg Allman performs courtesy of EPIC Records



• "LIVING ON THE EDGE OF THE NIGHT"
By Jay Rifkin and Eric Rackin
Performed by Iggy Pop
Produced by Don Was
Iggy Pop performs courtesy of Virgin Records America, Inc.



• "BACK TO LIFE (JAM ON THE GROOVE MIX)"
By Jazzie B (as Beresford Romeo), Simon Law and Paul Hooper
Performed by Soul II Soul, featuring Caron Wheeler
Produced by Jazzie B (as Jazzie B.) and Nellee Hooper for Silent Productions
Courtesy of 10 Records, Ltd.



• "BEYOND THE SEA"
By Charles Trenet and Jack Lawrence
Performed by Bobby Darin
Courtesy of Atlantic Recording Corp.
By Arrangement with Warner Special Products



• "KASA ODORI"
Recorded by Mary Evans
From the album "Traditional Folk Dances of Japan"
Courtesy of TRF Production Music Libraries



• "LASER MAN"
Written and Performed by Ryûichi Sakamoto
Produced by Ryûichi Sakamoto
Courtesy of Virgin Records America, Inc.



• "OGI NO MATO (THE FOLDING FAN AS A TARGET)"
Performed by Ensemble Nipponia
From the album "Japanese Traditional Vocal & Instrumental Music"
Produced by David Lewiston
Courtesy of Nonesuch Records
By Arrangement with Warner Special Products



• "SINGING IN THE SHOWER"
By Ron Mael and Russell Mael
Performed by Les Rita Mitsouko and Sparks
Produced by Tony Visconti and Les Rita Mitsouko
Courtesy of Virgin France S.A.



• "THAT'S AMORE"
By Jack Brooks and Harry Warren



• Track from "JAPAN ITS SOUNDS AND PEOPLE"
Courtesy of Toshiba/EMI Records
By Arrangement with CEMA Special Markets



• "THE WAY YOU DO THE THINGS YOU DO"
By Bobby Rogers (as Robert Rogers) and Smokey Robinson (as William Robinson)
Performed by UB40
Produced by UB40
Courtesy of Virgin Records, Ltd.



• "WHAT'D I SAY"
By Ray Charles


 
 Posted:   Jul 9, 2012 - 9:15 AM   
 By:   First Breath   (Member)

Keep bringing in the Zimmer, MV!

I have no doubt we'll see Bird On A Wire and Where Sleeping Dogs Lie in time.


Yes, I have always wanted the opening theme from BOAW, with Zimmer's great arrangement of Aquarius from Hair.

I saw WSDL years ago, I especially remember Mancina's name being spelt "Marc" on the VHS cover. I have a feeling most of that score was written by Mancina. Quite nice score, I taped some of it on to a cassette...

 
 Posted:   Jul 14, 2012 - 5:22 PM   
 By:   First Breath   (Member)

bump

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 14, 2012 - 5:26 PM   
 By:   jfallon   (Member)

Good bump... When is this expected to drop??? Anticipation is killing me.

 
 Posted:   Jul 20, 2012 - 12:36 PM   
 By:   First Breath   (Member)

No date yet.

 
 Posted:   Jul 20, 2012 - 6:41 PM   
 By:   The Projectionist   (Member)

Oh this better have the songs! I really liked I'll Be Holding On and Laserman.

 
 Posted:   Jul 22, 2012 - 7:28 AM   
 By:   Freejack   (Member)

Hope it will include the movie version of I'll Be Holding On.

Black Rain has a great score and a couple wonderful songs looking forward to this release.

 
 Posted:   Jul 26, 2012 - 12:13 PM   
 By:   First Breath   (Member)

Hope it will include the movie version of I'll Be Holding On.

Black Rain has a great score and a couple wonderful songs looking forward to this release.


Yes, the movie version is great.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 26, 2012 - 2:15 PM   
 By:   moviescore1   (Member)

Oh well, I guess some will get very excited about this.

Well, I am excited, this alongside Bird On A Wire and Cool Runnings is Zimmer`s best scores in my opinion.


Cool Runnings deserves an official score release since it only had two tracks on the original soundtrack. I think it's one of Zimmer's strongest scores. A release of this now would have been great timing with the Olympics smile

 
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