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 Posted:   May 15, 2013 - 8:46 AM   
 By:   Doug Raynes   (Member)


I've heard that The Dirty Dozen (1967) had an intermission during some of its first run engagements but can't confirm that. Is it on the DVD, anyone?


THE DIRTY DOZEN had an intermission in the UK (and presumably the rest of Europe) but I'm sure there was no intermission or entr'acte music. The intermission break isn't on the DVD. Incidentally, there seems to be an assumption that intermissions were only present in first run roadshow presentations but certainly in Europe, even general release prints retained the intermission if there had been one originally.

 
 
 Posted:   May 15, 2013 - 12:59 PM   
 By:   philiperic   (Member)

Paul, thanks for the corrections on Ben-Hur, Spartacus and Fall Of The Roman Empire which I've made.

I did know that the entracte following the intermission has been eliminated from Anne Frank which is why I just have "overture, intermission, exit music".

Re: Judgment At Nuremburg, yes the intermission and entracte are eliminated from the DVD version. Similarly Star! had an intermission/entracte which isn't duplicated on the DVD transfer (though I believe the laser disc included it).

Frank, thanks for the info on Star Trek. I don't have the DVD (not a fan of the film) but I don't recall an overture when I saw it in theaters. Love the Goldsmith score though (who doesn't?).


In Australia the Overture of Star Trek was played while the curtains were still closed and the lights were still up. I didn't know it was an Overture until the DVD came out. I thought they were just playing 'Ilia's Theme' as background music before the movie started.



I seem to remember seeing the original STAR TREK in its premier engagement at the Paramount Theatre in New York, where it had the overture play while the curtains were still closed. I was later surprised to find it at a later place on the lp; it's a lovely piece of music.


Star Trek the Motion Picture played at the Loew's State.
I believe that the New York Paramount was long gone by the time Star Trek opened. The overture was included in the showing at the Loew's State.


The NY Paramount referred to here is the sterile mini movie theater included in the basement of the old G&W building on Columbus Circle (now altered), not the huge Times Sq movie palace demolished during the 1960's.


Wow! You are correct. I had forgotten about that Paramount Theatre which of course had no relationship to the original one in Times Sq-except for it's name.

Another film with overture, intermission with entr'acte music is Barabbas. However, the dvd does not include any of that...


I saw BARABBAS in a sneak preview before its official release in the US and there was no overture, intermission or entr'acte music and no intermission at all. Where did you see it with these music cues?

 
 
 Posted:   May 15, 2013 - 1:22 PM   
 By:   paul rossen   (Member)

Saw BARABBAS in Oct 1962 during its Roadshow run at The DeMille Theatre in NYC. The overture and intermission/entr'acte music is on the original LP under the title Intermezzo. The intermission break came after Barabbas and Sahak are taken by cart from the sulphur mines. The DVD has an abrupt cut right at that moment as one can next see the two men plowing in the fields...

 
 
 Posted:   May 15, 2013 - 2:30 PM   
 By:   Doug Raynes   (Member)

Saw BARABBAS in Oct 1962 during its Roadshow run at The DeMille Theatre in NYC. The overture and intermission/entr'acte music is on the original LP under the title Intermezzo. The intermission break came after Barabbas and Sahak are taken by cart from the sulphur mines. The DVD has an abrupt cut right at that moment as one can next see the two men plowing in the fields...

I saw BARABBAS when it opened in London at the Odeon Haymarket where it also had overture, intermission etc. I can even remember the supporting featurette which was a great looking 70mm travelogue, WONDERFUL, WONDERFUL NEW YORK.

 
 
 Posted:   May 15, 2013 - 3:36 PM   
 By:   The CinemaScope Cat   (Member)

The laser includes the Intermission card, no music, just a long fade to black and then on to part 2. I am sure some music had to be used during the theatrical presentation.

I'm (sigh) old enough to have seen the original Roadshow version of Exodus though I was still an adolescent. I distinctly remember that there was no music at all between the intermission card and the beginning of act two.


I was there, first time around too, and I do remember an Entracte.

It would be very odd if there wasn't one after the 10mt Intermission.
Otherwise, all those people still out of their seats, in the lobby/toilets,etc would still be missing when the second act started !

The track "Fight for Survival" on the original LP/CD is the Entracte.

Listen to it....it sounds like one !


I'll take your word for it but the theater I saw it in did not have any music after the intermission card. The lights blinked in the lobby to alert people that the film was about to start again.

When I saw Spartacus back in 1961, the intermission was placed in a different spot from the way it is on the DVD and the way it was in the restored theatrical representation which played in the early 1980s. Clearly these things happen. Blame it on the projectionist or theater manager.

 
 
 Posted:   May 15, 2013 - 3:39 PM   
 By:   The CinemaScope Cat   (Member)

THE ROBE never had an intermission, at least not in the USA. Although there are a couple of spots where one could have easily been inserted if need. It "only" ran 134 minutes.

I'm basing this on a TV showing years ago which did include an intermission card but that may have been the invention of the TV station.

 
 
 Posted:   May 15, 2013 - 5:15 PM   
 By:   paul rossen   (Member)

The laser includes the Intermission card, no music, just a long fade to black and then on to part 2. I am sure some music had to be used during the theatrical presentation.

I'm (sigh) old enough to have seen the original Roadshow version of Exodus though I was still an adolescent. I distinctly remember that there was no music at all between the intermission card and the beginning of act two.


I was there, first time around too, and I do remember an Entracte.

It would be very odd if there wasn't one after the 10mt Intermission.
Otherwise, all those people still out of their seats, in the lobby/toilets,etc would still be missing when the second act started !

The track "Fight for Survival" on the original LP/CD is the Entracte.

Listen to it....it sounds like one !


I'll take your word for it but the theater I saw it in did not
have any music after the intermission card. The lights blinked in the lobby to alert people that the film was about to start again.

When I saw Spartacus back in 1961, the intermission was placed in a different spot from the way it is on the DVD and the way it was in the restored theatrical representation which played in the early 1980s. Clearly these things happen. Blame it on the projectionist or theater manager.


Re Exodus. I too was there but unfortunately I don't recall one way or another whether the Warner
Theatre in NYC played the entr'acte during the intermission.
Re Spartacus. During it's preview 202 minute version the intermission was placed much later in the film right after Spartacus and Crixis see the pirate boats in the harbor. The music gets quite
loud at that point. That said I believe that it has always been shown with the intermission in the current place. Perhaps you saw an early version? Spartacus opened in NYC Oct 1960.

 
 
 Posted:   May 15, 2013 - 5:44 PM   
 By:   The CinemaScope Cat   (Member)

Re Spartacus. During it's preview 202 minute version the intermission was placed much later in the film right after Spartacus and Crixis see the pirate boats in the harbor. The music gets quite loud at that point. That said I believe that it has always been shown with the intermission in the current place. Perhaps you saw an early version? Spartacus opened in NYC Oct 1960.

I saw Spartacus quite late during its roadshow run in the San Francisco bay area. The intermission occured right after the Kirk Douglas and Jean Simmons scene in the camp in the woods where I believe she tells him she's pregnant.

 
 
 Posted:   May 15, 2013 - 6:03 PM   
 By:   joec   (Member)

Re Spartacus. During it's preview 202 minute version the intermission was placed much later in the film right after Spartacus and Crixis see the pirate boats in the harbor. The music gets quite loud at that point. That said I believe that it has always been shown with the intermission in the current place. Perhaps you saw an early version? Spartacus opened in NYC Oct 1960.

I saw Spartacus quite late during its roadshow run in the San Francisco bay area. The intermission occured right after the Kirk Douglas and Jean Simmons scene in the camp in the woods where I believe she tells him she's pregnant.


The Criterion edition of SPARTACUS explains that the Intermission break was considered for several different spots. I believe 3 different were tried, with the current one being the finalist.

 
 
 Posted:   May 19, 2013 - 1:00 PM   
 By:   philiperic   (Member)

When originally released , JOAN OF ARC(1948) starring Ingrid Bergman and Jose Ferrer was a roadshow presentation .

JOAN.. definitely had an overture (4:30) and exit music (2:57) according to Roadshow Fan and may have had an intermission , too. None are on the Image dvd, however .

UCLA archives does have additional material on JOAN...that it has preserved but none of these extras were included on the dvd release of the 145 minute version. These include various alternate versions - such as the European Superscope release and the shortened, quite different edit with some alternate music including "heavenly choir" cues and added voice over narration by Shepperd Strudwick (Father Massieu - Joan's baliff).

 
 
 Posted:   May 19, 2013 - 1:24 PM   
 By:   philiperic   (Member)

Cecil B. DeMille"s underated epic SIGN OF THE CROSS has both an Intermission with music -about 4 minutes plus a short Entr'acte to Part Two - music by Rudolph Kopp + others .

I suspect that SOTC had a prelude / overture originally but it isnt part of the the released dvd , preserved by UCLA from DeMille' Roadshow print and released by Universal.

 
 Posted:   May 19, 2013 - 3:29 PM   
 By:   WILLIAMDMCCRUM   (Member)

I'll take your word for it but the theater I saw it in did not have any music after the intermission card. The lights blinked in the lobby to alert people that the film was about to start again.




Get the Tadlow reperformance 2CD where it's all explained.

 
 
 Posted:   May 19, 2013 - 6:51 PM   
 By:   joec   (Member)

Just watched Twilight Times Blu-ray of SONG OF BERNADETTE. It contains a 6 min (optional) Overture and 3 minutes of exit music. No intermission.

 
 Posted:   May 19, 2013 - 7:46 PM   
 By:   CH-CD   (Member)

I'll take your word for it but the theater I saw it in did not have any music after the intermission card. The lights blinked in the lobby to alert people that the film was about to start again.




Get the Tadlow reperformance 2CD where it's all explained.



$34.00 is too much, just for the explanation.....Enlighten me ????

 
 Posted:   May 19, 2013 - 8:51 PM   
 By:   WILLIAMDMCCRUM   (Member)

$34.00 is too much, just for the explanation.....Enlighten me ????


DOLLARS?! EEh, lad, ah'n't thou in 't Sheffield? Ba gum, thou might order straight from 't Tadlow down 't road.

Frank deWald describes the transition to intermission thus:

Track 14: GOODBYE/INTERMISSION MUSIC- 'FIGHT FOR SURVIVAL' (2:45)
"Kitty, who has felt like an uncomfortable outsider at Yad El, tells Ari good-bye. Gold composed a beautiful but unused variation on the 'Exodus' and 'love' themes for this scene, embodying the conflict between Ari's love for Kitty and his dedication to the cause of nationhood. In the film, however, a reprise of the Prelude was tracked in, bringing the first part of the film to a rousing if less subtle conclusion. For the intermission music, Gold reprises the martial version of 'Hatikvah' first heard in 'Star of David'."

Frank is referring to 'Fight for Survival' there with the Intermission music. There is of course also the Hatikvah exit music, not on the OST album and only with reduced orchestra and bad sound on the Powell album.



The complete score contains of course, much that isn't in either of the two previous recordings. The OST tracks were cut down on the London album, and the other Mitchell Powell conducted album with smaller orchestra, though it had longer tracks and bad mono sound, still was far from complete.

Plus you get lots of other Israeli-themed movie suites to fill out disc 2, and such extras from 'Exodus' as the choral song, the cello rhapsody, and the concert Overture.

 
 
 Posted:   May 20, 2013 - 1:35 AM   
 By:   mulan98   (Member)

Thanks for this thread. As a devotee of the great days of Roadshow Cinema I love anything which goes someway towards replicating it.

 
 Posted:   May 20, 2013 - 7:31 AM   
 By:   CH-CD   (Member)


DOLLARS?! EEh, lad, ah'n't thou in 't Sheffield? Ba gum, thou might order straight from 't Tadlow down 't road.

Frank deWald describes the transition to intermission thus:

Track 14: GOODBYE/INTERMISSION MUSIC- 'FIGHT FOR SURVIVAL' (2:45)
"Kitty, who has felt like an uncomfortable outsider at Yad El, tells Ari good-bye. Gold composed a beautiful but unused variation on the 'Exodus' and 'love' themes for this scene, embodying the conflict between Ari's love for Kitty and his dedication to the cause of nationhood. In the film, however, a reprise of the Prelude was tracked in, bringing the first part of the film to a rousing if less subtle conclusion. For the intermission music, Gold reprises the martial version of 'Hatikvah' first heard in 'Star of David'."

Frank is referring to 'Fight for Survival' there with the Intermission music. There is of course also the Hatikvah exit music, not on the OST album and only with reduced orchestra and bad sound on the Powell album.


Aye, lad, ahm in Sheffuld, burra got price off that theer Amazon site. That's why ah said dollars tha sees.

Anyroad up....(assumes RMP accent !).....

I have listened to some of the tracks on the Tadlow album, but I wasn't too impressed. It all sounds a bit thin and lacklustre ?

I was also confused by Track: 14, and thought that they were making it up as they went along, as this track bears no resemblance to the end of ACT:1 in the movie.......which is a straight repeat of the "Exodus" theme.

Therefore, I didn't buy it, and hence, didn't get to read the explanation.

I must say, I think the movie works better as it stands.





 
 
 Posted:   May 20, 2013 - 7:39 AM   
 By:   paul rossen   (Member)

DOLLARS?! EEh, lad, ah'n't thou in 't Sheffield? Ba gum, thou might order straight from 't Tadlow down 't road.

Frank deWald describes the transition to intermission thus:

Track 14: GOODBYE/INTERMISSION MUSIC- 'FIGHT FOR SURVIVAL' (2:45)
"Kitty, who has felt like an uncomfortable outsider at Yad El, tells Ari good-bye. Gold composed a beautiful but unused variation on the 'Exodus' and 'love' themes for this scene, embodying the conflict between Ari's love for Kitty and his dedication to the cause of nationhood. In the film, however, a reprise of the Prelude was tracked in, bringing the first part of the film to a rousing if less subtle conclusion. For the intermission music, Gold reprises the martial version of 'Hatikvah' first heard in 'Star of David'."

Frank is referring to 'Fight for Survival' there with the Intermission music. There is of course also the Hatikvah exit music, not on the OST album and only with reduced orchestra and bad sound on the Powell album.


Aye, lad, ahm in Sheffuld, burra got price off that theer Amazon site. That's why ah said dollars tha sees.

Anyroad up....(assumes RMP accent !).....

I have listened to some of the tracks on the Tadlow album, but I wasn't too impressed. It all sounds a bit thin and lacklustre ?

I was also confused by Track: 14, and thought that they were making it up as they went along, as this track bears no resemblance to the end of ACT:1 in the movie.......which is a straight repeat of the "Exodus" theme.

Therefore, I didn't buy it, and hence, didn't get to read the explanation.

I must say, I think the movie works better as it stands.


My sentiments exactly. I've also wondered why Tadlow didn't include the Title music as in the film instead of providing more of an overture approach. (with the guess that's the way Gold originally composed it) Regarding the end of Act 1 music I agree that the film the way it is is very powerful with the rendition of the main title music . Obviously Preminger's music editors felt the same way...

 
 Posted:   May 20, 2013 - 10:24 AM   
 By:   WILLIAMDMCCRUM   (Member)


I've also wondered why Tadlow didn't include the Title music as in the film instead of providing more of an overture approach.



The original sheets apparently had it thus, so Tadlow really had to, and so does the Powell album. Those bars were cut for the OST and the RCA album. Ari's little march theme bissects the main theme.

The old Mantovani single of the main theme and Karen's theme calls the main motif 'Ari's Theme' but strictly, in terms of leitmotif, it isn't. It's the big 'exodus and yearning for a homeland' theme, more for the ship than anything else.

 
 Posted:   May 20, 2013 - 10:29 AM   
 By:   WILLIAMDMCCRUM   (Member)


Aye, lad, ahm in Sheffuld, burra got price off that theer Amazon site. That's why ah said dollars tha sees.




Tha has t'oonderstand that Tadlow had a responsibility to 't original sheets laahk. They could do nowt other than's they did.

It's norra bad performance really, boot thah canst alluz do a bit o' splicin' if yer oop fer it, 'an make yer perfect mix.

 
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