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Jun 17, 2013 - 6:34 PM
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dan the man
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What I find amusing is now we are pushing it up into the 80's when music was great , I see, let's go for the 90's , maybe yesterday because, yesterday is not today and today is bad, why? because it is today. So any half wit psychiatrist would say and they would be right. I think everyone on this board have seen on the internet comments made about all different things, music movies. What happens when you read those comments. some 40 year old will tell you how wonderful the 80's music and movies were,, some 60 year old will tell you how wonderful the movies and the music in the 60's were etc etc etc.One is suspicious about all these comments as one wise person should be. Then you see a comment from a man in his late 20's and he says . what wonderful music we had and movies from the late 90's.in which a part of your brain is saying the late 90's the great old days? OK, enough is enough, many people are just silly . it is just the way many people are. That's life. Sorry to say those ridiculous comments at times come into this board as well, but most of us here are wiser then that.
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What I find amusing is now we are pushing it up into the 80's when music was great , I see, let's go for the 90's , maybe yesterday because, yesterday is not today and today is bad, why? because it is today. So any half wit psychiatrist would say and they would be right. I think everyone on this board have seen on the internet comments made about all different things, music movies. What happens when you read those comments. some 40 year old will tell you how wonderful the 80's music and movies were,, some 60 year old will tell you how wonderful the movies and the music in the 60's were etc etc etc.One is suspicious about all these comments as one wise person should be. Then you see a comment from a man in his late 20's and he says . what wonderful music we had and movies from the late 90's.in which a part of your brain is saying the late 90's the great old days? OK, enough is enough, many people are just silly . it is just the way many people are. That's life. Sorry to say those ridiculous comments at times come into this board as well, but most of us here are wiser then that.
YOR never said it.
YOR likes all kind of scores, excet the ones made by Hamzimmer and his army of clones.
These people are really ruining this art form.
And they are doing most of the scores for fantasy/action/sci-fi movie that most of us think are the best vehicles for someone creat a great score.
Today, KRULL would be scored by Ramim Djuadalindindin or Nickson-Glikson-Smigh or whatever.
YOR believes that's what most people are saying here.
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Jun 17, 2013 - 6:58 PM
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jedizim
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What I find amusing is now we are pushing it up into the 80's when music was great , I see, let's go for the 90's , maybe yesterday because, yesterday is not today and today is bad, why? because it is today. So any half wit psychiatrist would say and they would be right. I think everyone on this board have seen on the internet comments made about all different things, music movies. What happens when you read those comments. some 40 year old will tell you how wonderful the 80's music and movies were,, some 60 year old will tell you how wonderful the movies and the music in the 60's were etc etc etc.One is suspicious about all these comments as one wise person should be. Then you see a comment from a man in his late 20's and he says . what wonderful music we had and movies from the late 90's.in which a part of your brain is saying the late 90's the great old days? OK, enough is enough, many people are just silly . it is just the way many people are. That's life. Sorry to say those ridiculous comments at times come into this board as well, but most of us here are wiser then that.
YOR never said it.
YOR likes all kind of scores, excet the ones made by Hamzimmer and his army of clones.
These people are really ruining this art form.
And they are doing most of the scores for fantasy/action/sci-fi movie that most of us think are the best vehicles for someone creat a great score.
Today, KRULL would be scored by Ramim Djuadalindindin or Nickson-Glikson-Smigh or whatever.
YOR believes that's what most people are saying here.
Yor believes only what Yor wants to believe. He never say nothing wrong or out of line. It never Yor's fault. Yor know best. Yor don't know how everyone misunderstand what Yor make obvious. Yor don't believe that people can think for themselves and have their own tastes. Everyone should think just like Yor.
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Jun 17, 2013 - 7:02 PM
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dan the man
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It is nice to agree and I like too when I can. I too like all different types of scores from 30's till yesterday, with no bias intent. But it is just an opinion, that these few epic scores are the most important ones to have the best scores. As well it was nice to hear scores like CONAN THE BARBARIAN, SUPERMAN, STAR TREK, having fine scores, it was also nice to here scores from HAMMER FILMS, EMPIRE FILMS, many low key drama's from ROMEO AND JULIET TO LOVE STORY ETC ETC where I feel it is just as important to have the right score. I mean that is why there are plenty of DELERUE, DESPLAT FANS out there as well as. NO LESS HISASHAI[spelling].I like to see things in life looking at the big picture not in small fragmented pictures.so if you look at the vast amount of pictures made worldwide last year as well as in 1991, 1971, 1941 etc, you will find plenty to enjoy , if you like film music.
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Yor believes only what Yor wants to believe. He never say nothing wrong or out of line. It never Yor's fault. Yor know best. Yor don't know how everyone misunderstand what Yor make obvious. Yor don't believe that people can think for themselves and have their own tastes. Everyone should think just like Yor.
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However if you are just going to look at the handful of blockbusters each year and say they are not doing it the way you want or you remember with certain films you liked in the past then, you will just make yourself miserable and tear the whole cinema world down and that I feel is sad. Something in a moral sense you would call wrong if you did it to ethnic groups, race, nationality[woman/man] long hair , short hair, etc etc
In the past, most blockbusters, even the most dumb ones, were made by people who actually understand about movies. Today we have video-clip people doing movies and hiring hacks to do the scores.
It is that simple.
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TO YOR- MY FRIEND- well maybe there is a misunderstanding here, you are just talking about a dozen blockbusters right? you are not talking about a giant amount of films made last year right?Because then we are talking about oranges and apples and there is the problem.
YOR's holy crusade is against Hamzimmer and his clones.
YOR likes blockbusters sometimes.
YOR likes art movies too.
But above all, YOR likes a real good score.
And Zimmer and his clones are just ruining this art.
YOR cannot stand it anylonger!
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I do like some current scores. Man of Steel is very loud and percussive, why I said bombastic. The theme is minimalist, I grant you that. If anyone wants great Hans Zimmer film music from recent then go to youtube and look up "The Dark Knight Rises: Complete Score." This is what I love from a score. Very thematic, quiet in spots and very much loud in others while still carrying a tune. "Total Recall" (Goldsmith) is probably my favorite action score of all time and wholly exemplifies what I love from a score. Not to say that I don't like quiet scores as well. "To Kill a Mockingbird," "Meet Joe Black," and "A River Runs Through it" are some of my favorites. I wish movies like these were being made nowadays in the USA.
BTW- "Superman" (Williams) is my all time favorite score!!
Interesting you site Hans Zimmer as one of the composers with great scores. For many, he's the devil-child responsible for much of the demise of modern film music. I would tend to somewhat (tempered!) agree with that assessment. I think his music was embraced by producers and the ball started rolling. My own uneducated assessment, however. 
That said, I do like some Hans Zimmer but the Remote Control way of composing is just not my thing, so I have very few of his or his protege scores in my collection.
Not an entirely original post; many have said the same thing, but there you have it.
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Here's my observations. I'm currently writing a score for a friends film. I have worked up themes and motives on piano and sent him the ideas in their formative state. In some cases I have worked up demo cues. The reason for starting with themes this way is that its like the foundation to the score. And technically adept composers can then use their technique they leaned to vary and manipulate this material throughout the score save for set pieces that can also include quotes of the main material. But I have the luxury of time and no focus groups or production companies worried that my music won't be marketable enough. The director also has good taste in music and wants a retro score with lots of melody.
My sense is this- there are 2 reasons why film music is largely uninteresting to my ears.
1. Composers are forced into making bland music because of the filmmakers.
2. Composers aren't technically proficient enough to pen a score that has all of the components that attracted most of us to soundtracks in the first place.
I think it's more the first reason and less the second because even composers I respect have been turning out rather uninteresting stuff these days.
I took a little break from my film composing today and was playing around with Superman theme ideas. I tried to compose something that would match the new films tone and cater to the music style that is more popular today. As much as a tried, I could not get away from suspended 7th and 4 chords and that rhythmic ostinato of Williams'. I think I managed to do more 16th note patterns in more John Adams minimalist idiom but the harmonic framework was in a more pandiatonic mode reflecting the Americana of Superman. I also thought of contrasting that with an altered whole tone sale for his Kryptonian roots.
Fact is, more composers are ore occupied with technological innovation than thinking musically about how to approach a character or score because they either are following fashion or just don't have the musical resources to draw upon.
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Zimmer, tries to approach each score with a serious and open minded attitude.
Take for example alan Silvestri, who i think is terrific. He is going to write an Alan Silvestri score for whatever film he works on.
Zimmer approaches each score with a dramatic sensibility. Wheter he comes up with an inspired score or not, his approach is refreshing
brm
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Once upon a time, in the pages of the late lamented FSM Magazine, i wrote that Film scores fans are among the most reactionary of all music lovers.
I stand by that comment
bruce
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Zimmer, tries to approach each score with a serious and open minded attitude.
Take for example alan Silvestri, who i think is terrific. He is going to write an Alan Silvestri score for whatever film he works on.
Zimmer approaches each score with a dramatic sensibility. Wheter he comes up with an inspired score or not, his approach is refreshing
brm
YOR is sure that Ennio Morricone, whose compositions Zimmer stole all the time, does not agree with you.
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I think 'the sorry state of film music' is about the SORRY STATE OF FILM today....period!
Two nights ago I watched "The Dark Knight" (well, as much as I could before turning if off) ...
...and - I'm terribly sad to say - our dear, late Australian Heath Ledger making a fool of himself right at the end.
I thought you said you watched "as much as [you] could before turning it off"? Sounds like you watched all of a 2h 40m film to me.
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