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 Posted:   Jul 10, 2013 - 2:06 PM   
 By:   facehugger   (Member)

I'm not a big Zimmer fan myself, but this Levine guy knows what he's talking about, and his points are smart and valid. The know-nothings on this thread who dismiss what he's saying as ass-kissing aren't worthy of our time to respond to.

Here is a guy who can't distinguish normative judgment with descriptive statement.

You can be right, and sound stupid, by giving a lecture about "Why Hitler became Fuher and you haven't? Because he was working with competent people, doing the right thing at the right time, and worked real hard."

 
 Posted:   Jul 10, 2013 - 2:07 PM   
 By:   YOR The Hunter From The Future   (Member)

YOR is sure that the guys who work for McDonald's would say that the inventor of the Big Mac is a true visionary too, yes?

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 10, 2013 - 2:07 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

I'm not a big Zimmer fan myself, but this Levine guy knows what he's talking about, and his points are smart and valid. The know-nothings on this thread who dismiss what he's saying as ass-kissing aren't worthy of our time to respond to.


Hmmm. I'm pretty sure this was directed at me (and maybe a few others), seeing as I outright called it sycophancy.

Oh well. I'm pretty sure I'll survive.

big grin

EDIT: Hitler & McDonald's were the 2 things that first came to mind when I read the article. Swear to God. I just didn't wanna be the first one to say it--LOL!

EDIT 2: I read backwards a bit more and saw that some fellas did, in fact, use the phrase "ass-kissing". I think "sycophantic" sounds classier, but there ya go.

EDIT 3: This Space For Rent

 
 Posted:   Jul 10, 2013 - 2:08 PM   
 By:   DavidCoscina   (Member)

I find it curious that Powell, a guy I have a tremendous amount of respect for (and scores CDs of too!) has basically walked away from film scoring. I believe he broke away from RC to an extent even though he co composed Kung Fu Panda 1 and 2 with Zimmer.

Just think if he and Gregson Williams were still under Zimmer's wing what MOS might have sounded like...(disclaimer- I like a good portion of MOS as it is but I'd be lying if I said I didnt wonder what Powell would have done with that project...)

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 10, 2013 - 2:08 PM   
 By:   facehugger   (Member)

I'm not a big Zimmer fan myself, but this Levine guy knows what he's talking about, and his points are smart and valid. The know-nothings on this thread who dismiss what he's saying as ass-kissing aren't worthy of our time to respond to.

Yes indeed.


Says da man who posted a 10,000 words essay in response to me.

And what were you expecting when you posted the original article? That people will gather around and chant the Zimmer anthem?

You sir sure know how to get traffic for this site.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 10, 2013 - 2:11 PM   
 By:   facehugger   (Member)

I find it curious that Powell, a guy I have a tremendous amount of respect for (and scores CDs of too!) has basically walked away from film scoring. I believe he broke away from RC to an extent even though he co composed Kung Fu Panda 1 and 2 with Zimmer.

Just think if he and Gregson Williams were still under Zimmer's wing what MOS might have sounded like...(disclaimer- I like a good portion of MOS as it is but I'd be lying if I said I didnt wonder what Powell would have done with that project...)


John Powell said he is on sabbatical. Guy was doing like 50 films a year. He deserves a break. (And frankly, after too much work, his quality started to decline.)

And you can hear his Man of Steel score in Hancock. A REAL "modern superman score"

 
 Posted:   Jul 10, 2013 - 2:12 PM   
 By:   Lokutus   (Member)

Powell has hardly left film-scoring. He just took some time off, which was well described and documented in the interviews he gave about a year ago. Well, he's back now scoring RIO 2 and HOW TO TRAIN YOUR DRAGON 2.
The same with HGW. Not sure what he's been working on, but I suppose they'll both be back sooner than later.

Not a big reason for celebration. At least in their absence we got a couple fine animated scores from decent composers for a change.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 10, 2013 - 2:15 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

I'm not a big Zimmer fan myself, but this Levine guy knows what he's talking about, and his points are smart and valid. The know-nothings on this thread who dismiss what he's saying as ass-kissing aren't worthy of our time to respond to.

Yes indeed.


Says da man who posted a 10,000 words essay in response to me.

And what were you expecting when you posted the original article? That people will gather around and chant the Zimmer anthem?


I don't think anyone expected that, but one could at least expect constructive criticism even if one disagreed with the statements. Not senseless bashing, which is essentially pointless, destructive and ultimately boring. It's the 'cop-out' solution when one has no arguments.

 
 Posted:   Jul 10, 2013 - 2:20 PM   
 By:   YOR The Hunter From The Future   (Member)

And what were you expecting when you posted the original article? That people will gather around and chant the Zimmer anthem?

"A - E - I - O - U"

 
 Posted:   Jul 10, 2013 - 2:23 PM   
 By:   David (Giacchino-fan)   (Member)

Powell has hardly left film-scoring. He just took some time off, which was well described and documented in the interviews he gave about a year ago. Well, he's back now scoring RIO 2 and HOW TO TRAIN YOUR DRAGON 2.
The same with HGW. Not sure what he's been working on, but I suppose they'll both be back sooner than later.

Not a big reason for celebration. At least in their absence we got a couple fine animated scores from decent composers for a change.


Glad to hear about Powell - I knew he was taking some sort of extended vacation, but I'm glad he's back to work - I adored his HTTYD and can't wait to see how he follows that up.
As for HGW, I remember hearing that he was taking about a year's time to go back to England - I think it involved teaching somewhere, but don't quote me on that.

As for the article, it's definitely a good read. Very interesting that he's never had a score rejected. If we could actually discuss the article at hand instead of Yor-hugger comparing Zimmer to Hitler, we might learn a few things! But I digress.

 
 Posted:   Jul 10, 2013 - 2:27 PM   
 By:   DavidCoscina   (Member)

I find it curious that Powell, a guy I have a tremendous amount of respect for (and scores CDs of too!) has basically walked away from film scoring. I believe he broke away from RC to an extent even though he co composed Kung Fu Panda 1 and 2 with Zimmer.

Just think if he and Gregson Williams were still under Zimmer's wing what MOS might have sounded like...(disclaimer- I like a good portion of MOS as it is but I'd be lying if I said I didnt wonder what Powell would have done with that project...)


John Powell said he is on sabbatical. Guy was doing like 50 films a year. He deserves a break. (And frankly, after too much work, his quality started to decline.)

And you can hear his Man of Steel score in Hancock. A REAL "modern superman score"


Hancock was a terrific superheroe score. Death and Transfiguration is one of my favourite cues of his.

And to the guy wh said we got animated scores by good composers in Powell's absense, watch HTTYD and tell me what part of that score was bad. It's one of the best scored films ive ever seen. And the architecture of the score is as deep as anything I've heard from anyone else who's scored films. Every note in it is either a quote from his main thematic material or else developed upon it in some way.

You don't have to like it but to dismiss it as the work of a lesser composer is just way off the mark.

 
 Posted:   Jul 10, 2013 - 2:30 PM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

You can be right, and sound stupid, by giving a lecture about "Why Hitler became Fuher and you haven't?

Godwin's Law is now in effect, everything ever said again by the person quoted is idiotic.

 
 Posted:   Jul 10, 2013 - 2:32 PM   
 By:   DavidCoscina   (Member)

Powell has hardly left film-scoring. He just took some time off, which was well described and documented in the interviews he gave about a year ago. Well, he's back now scoring RIO 2 and HOW TO TRAIN YOUR DRAGON 2.
The same with HGW. Not sure what he's been working on, but I suppose they'll both be back sooner than later.

Not a big reason for celebration. At least in their absence we got a couple fine animated scores from decent composers for a change.


Glad to hear about Powell - I knew he was taking some sort of extended vacation, but I'm glad he's back to work - I adored his HTTYD and can't wait to see how he follows that up.
As for HGW, I remember hearing that he was taking about a year's time to go back to England - I think it involved teaching somewhere, but don't quote me on that.

As for the article, it's definitely a good read. Very interesting that he's never had a score rejected. If we could actually discuss the article at hand instead of Yor-hugger comparing Zimmer to Hitler, we might learn a few things! But I digress.


There is always the ignore button. I don't have anyone on the list. Oh wait yeah there's one person on it who was ignorant enough to say Williams wrote better music than Stravinsky, Bartok and Mahler- sorry I draw the line at completely stupid people like that-
O well so much for that....


 
 
 Posted:   Jul 10, 2013 - 2:42 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

Godwin's Law is now in effect, everything ever said again by the person quoted is idiotic.


Well, that's one interpretation of it, I guess.
big grin

 
 Posted:   Jul 10, 2013 - 2:48 PM   
 By:   DavidCoscina   (Member)

Or we could just create a huge global EMP explosion that would render all synths and computers inoperable and we'd see who could still compose using piano, pencil, and paper. HA!


This line brought the biggest smile to my face. By God, what a wonderful thought.
smile


Says the big Tangerine Dream fan.


It's a sacrifice I'm willing to live with. wink

 
 Posted:   Jul 10, 2013 - 4:05 PM   
 By:   pzfan   (Member)

 
 Posted:   Jul 10, 2013 - 4:39 PM   
 By:   David Sones (Allardyce)   (Member)

What a classy and tasteful discussion.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 10, 2013 - 5:08 PM   
 By:   facehugger   (Member)



I don't think anyone expected that, but one could at least expect constructive criticism even if one disagreed with the statements. Not senseless bashing, which is essentially pointless, destructive and ultimately boring. It's the 'cop-out' solution when one has no arguments.


So please, offer an "intelligent" rebuttal and "constructive criticism" to my contempt of Mr. Levine, who equals "playing two notes with some discretion" to John-Cage-meets-Philip-Glass.

Or, if you can, please give "constructive criticism" to said comparison. I doubt you can, because Levine was talking bullshit, and with his classical training, he KNEW perfectly well he was talking bullshit. But he apparently learnt the hard lesson to "respect those in charge".

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 10, 2013 - 5:13 PM   
 By:   facehugger   (Member)

You can be right, and sound stupid, by giving a lecture about "Why Hitler became Fuher and you haven't?

Godwin's Law is now in effect, everything ever said again by the person quoted is idiotic.


If you prefer, I can offer you Stalin, for a change of flavor.

Actually Stalin is a more fitting analogy, since he apparently preferred sycophantic incompetents, to a more extent than Hilter did.

But I wouldn't suspect you to know, the ad hominem low-level you are.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 10, 2013 - 5:22 PM   
 By:   Jon Broxton   (Member)

What the hell is wrong with you? I mean, seriously, are you somehow clinically incapable of having a conversation without resorting to insults?

 
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