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So, "Wagon Train to the Stars" . . . that was just more Roddenberry pitch-meeting B.S.?
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Probably. He admitted that when he delivered the original rejected pilot that he didn't live up to the Wagon Train concept. The earliest episodes did feature more background players and guests, but it was never really like a "Wagon Train" in space.
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The story behind that scene, for those who don't already know, is that it was originally filmed in English. Then someone realized that, if they were going to create a Klingon language for the Klingons at the beginning of the film, they should have a Vulcan language for the scenes on Vulcan too, just to be consistent.
So a line like "Give me your thoughts, Spock" is dubbed over in "Vulcan," then the wording is switched around for the subtitle to read something like "Your thoughts, Spock, give them to me," to disguise the English origins of the lines. If you're just reading the Vulcan masters' lips, with the volume off, the scene is still in English.
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Sep 25, 2012 - 10:06 AM
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- So a line like "Give me your thoughts, Spock" is dubbed over in "Vulcan," then the wording is switched around for the subtitle to read something like "Your thoughts, Spock, give them to me," to disguise the English origins of the lines. If you're just reading the Vulcan masters' lips, with the volume off, the scene is still in English.
I believe the original theatrical version of TMP had the subtitles more in line with what was being said in english on set. The subtitles weren't rearranged until the Director's Edition.
The Wrath of Khan also had an instance like this when Saavik comments on Kirk just after he arrives on the Enterprise, except this one feels the most redone. Just listen to it without audio and you can clearly see Saavik mouth "he's so, human". But I won't complain because I just named my own fantasy fruit "Bino Plum".
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Sep 25, 2012 - 10:17 AM
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The story behind that scene, for those who don't already know, is that it was originally filmed in English. Then someone realized that, if they were going to create a Klingon language for the Klingons at the beginning of the film, they should have a Vulcan language for the scenes on Vulcan too, just to be consistent.
So a line like "Give me your thoughts, Spock" is dubbed over in "Vulcan," then the wording is switched around for the subtitle to read something like "Your thoughts, Spock, give them to me," to disguise the English origins of the lines. If you're just reading the Vulcan masters' lips, with the volume off, the scene is still in English.
If I recall correctly, the original version of the movie didn't shuffle the subtitles around so their mouths matched the subtitles 100%. The director's edition was when they decided to try and fool us after 22 years.
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Okay, I'm getting out my VHS tape.
You guys are sure about this, right?
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Probably. He admitted that when he delivered the original rejected pilot that he didn't live up to the Wagon Train concept. The earliest episodes did feature more background players and guests, but it was never really like a "Wagon Train" in space.
speaking of original concepts, "Lost in Space" and "ST:Voyager" are practically the same shows...
No, it was IDENTICALLLLLLL!!!
Ha, no, actually Lost in Space was more realistic....
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Apparently, La-La Land are releasing a 15CD Star Trek Collection in a few months.
I expect to shell out upwards of $600.00 for it. Fair price...
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Sep 26, 2012 - 6:10 AM
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I hope the maker of this wonderfull anounced 15 CD Set read this: I'm ask myself again and again, what quality can we expect?
I must say that the GNP Crescendo release of the two pilots are not so good, but I must say too, that the release of "The Best of Star Trek Volume Two" has the worst sound quality of every original TOS TV Soundtrack. How could it be? The Remastering was from 2000 (!), from the Pilots Disc from 1985, and it sounds better than this. Wonderfull scores of "The Corbomite Maneuver", "Balance of Terror", and "What are little girls made of?", but the sound? (The only cue, that was good, was the "Star Trek Theme" Lounge Mix).
The scores sounds, as the listener stand in front of a church, and than another man came out of the church and opened the door, and you can hear what sounds within the center of the church. Very much in the distance, very low and soft and with too much reverb. What a different sound quality in Star Trek Volume 3 with "The Naked Time" and "Shore Leave". Unbelieveable Quality! It's crisp, no reverb (or a little bit), very clear and loud, with much detail; the listener stand in front of the orchestra, like a conductor. And this remastering is from the early 1990! I can't understand this difference in sound quality. And all music is from the same (first) Season! Both releases are in mono, but this is mono I can live with! The other: Forget it!
Can we hope for better quality than this. (Shore Leave and Naked Time are very, very fine; I can't believe, that there are out there better sounding mono recordings). But "Balance of Terror"? Is this poor sound quality inherent in the recordings/masters or is there a chance, that an remastering can much enhance the quality?
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