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 Posted:   Feb 6, 2014 - 6:30 AM   
 By:   JamesFitz   (Member)

As I imagine other cultists are as well, I'm most curious about that BLUE MAX release.

Well at least I can save some money be delaying the Tadlow Music new recording of the complete score..reconstructed by Leigh Phillips...until the 50th Anniversary of the movie....!



Noooo!!!! bring in re-recording any day! And as I mentioned it in the other BLUE MAX post- Pls get in Bruce Botnick to do the same type of recording his did on the perfromance of the RPO!He will bring in the definitive Goldsmith sound on the album!

This is a fantastic score and IMHO deserves a full re-recording with todays 32 bit technology and mastering. Seriously, If I ever do get rich or have the dough Id have Bruce Brougton conduct this baby using the Royal Philharmonic Orchestra and having Bruce Botnick on the engineering side would be ideal. Iam a fan of the Goldsmith conducted suite on the GOLDSMITH CONDUCT GOLDSMITH cd and I would love the full score -recorded in that very same fashion.

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http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=65437&forumID=1&archive=0&pageID=4&r=757#bottom


My great friend Mike Ross-Trevor actually recorded the GOLDSMITH CONDUCTS GOLDSMITH CD....as he did with many of Jerry's London scorings like LEGEND. So I rather thingk that Mike was also responsible (along with Botnick) for the definitive Goldsmith sound on that recording. Plus the orchestra was not the RPO but was The Philharmonia

 
 Posted:   Feb 6, 2014 - 7:34 AM   
 By:   Shaun Rutherford   (Member)

Man, to hear a modern recording of "The Attack." Dammit, re-re-re-re-reissues (despite their superior cover art)!!!!!!!!!

 
 Posted:   Feb 6, 2014 - 7:37 AM   
 By:   Amer Zahid   (Member)

As I imagine other cultists are as well, I'm most curious about that BLUE MAX release.

Well at least I can save some money be delaying the Tadlow Music new recording of the complete score..reconstructed by Leigh Phillips...until the 50th Anniversary of the movie....!



Noooo!!!! bring in re-recording any day! And as I mentioned it in the other BLUE MAX post- Pls get in Bruce Botnick to do the same type of recording his did on the perfromance of the RPO!He will bring in the definitive Goldsmith sound on the album!

This is a fantastic score and IMHO deserves a full re-recording with todays 32 bit technology and mastering. Seriously, If I ever do get rich or have the dough Id have Bruce Brougton conduct this baby using the Royal Philharmonic Orchestra and having Bruce Botnick on the engineering side would be ideal. Iam a fan of the Goldsmith conducted suite on the GOLDSMITH CONDUCT GOLDSMITH cd and I would love the full score -recorded in that very same fashion.

http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=65437&forumID=1&archive=0&pageID=4&r=757#bottom


My great friend Mike Ross-Trevor actually recorded the GOLDSMITH CONDUCTS GOLDSMITH CD....as he did with many of Jerry's London scorings like LEGEND. So I rather thingk that Mike was also responsible (along with Botnick) for the definitive Goldsmith sound on that recording. Plus the orchestra was not the RPO but was The Philharmonia



You are quite right on that James. But Iam really up for a full re-recording of this great score someday! Incidentally you have answered many great requests of mine and granting them into full fledge re-recordings such as EL CID, THE FALL OF THE ROMAN EMPIRE, LAWRENCE OF ARABIA and I truly hope that THE BLUE MAX gets a similar release out some day! In the meantime another full re-recording of Jarre's DOCTOR ZHIVAGO and even a complete BEN HUR would be great to have in modern day 32 bit Digital Recording sound.

 
 Posted:   Feb 6, 2014 - 10:11 AM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

While I've levelled criticism at Intrada's Blue Max I have to say I'm more than pleased to have it. No sleight on them is intended. They did a very good job of making the sound as even as it could possibly be given the source tapes are not exactly newborn. I was merely pointing out some of the band-aids plainly marked the location of the wounds. Their true value has always lain in their very authenticity.

It is interesting that a planned-for totally new release is deliberately put on hold due to a re-release of a 'dilapidated' original recording. Such is the power of the sorcerer as opposed to the apprentice (there does seem to be a perceived pecking order in the scheme of things.) By the way, I'm mightily tempted to go for QB VII.

There was the Fall Of The Roman Empire, which had a more or less dual release. Did that result in a branching tree of weighted decision-making, wherein the original soundtrack recording and the new re-recording were openly forced to compete with one another (ie. did one release majorly affect the other?)

I bought the new LLL Fantastic Voyage and I hoped they'd fixed the obvious problems with the last track of the previous release, but they didn't. So now I have the pleasure of owning two CDs with the same problem instead of just one.

Basil, is there a difference in any shape or form between your two Fantastic Voyage CDs (other than the outwardly obvious)? If not, you still have a couple of somethings others will envy. I've got both the FSM and La La Land releases of Tora, Tora, Tora leaving my world, if anything, more upright than before. By that I mean when we eventually arrive at the CD 'cold' world of the future, that's an ace up each sleeve. In all truth, any problem with a specific location on a tape is an immovable object. If I suspect a section of tape is permanently damaged from the master then no amount of nailing, wailing or praying is going to make the problem disappear. As with all things, all one can do is minimise the inconvenience.

 
 Posted:   Feb 6, 2014 - 10:44 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

The attitude to re-releases on this board, whether straight or expanded, is at times incredibly ingracious to newer soundtrack collectors.

I've been importing limited CDs since 2008, and there are still titles beloved to me that I missed and that are either unobtainable or attainable only at ridiculously high prices. La La Land themselves did me an incredible favour with their recent releases of The Fury and Fantastic Voyage. I simply could not have afforded 2nd hand copies of the initial CDs.

To instantly dismiss re-releases as worthless or a waste of time is a reductive and incredibly petty stance to take in a community where all we want is to own that music special to us


I agree. Such wonderful music as THE BLUE MAX, FANTASTIC VOYAGE, THE FURY and many more should simply be always be in print, or at the very least be made periodically available for those who missed out on them when they were originally released.

 
 Posted:   Feb 6, 2014 - 10:50 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

As I imagine other cultists are as well, I'm most curious about that BLUE MAX release.

Well at least I can save some money be delaying the Tadlow Music new recording of the complete score..reconstructed by Leigh Phillips...until the 50th Anniversary of the movie....!



WAAAHHHHH!

I'd buy it even it were released right now... but, alas, the market is probably way too small to warrant two simultaneous releases of a 45 year old film score. Even if it is a magnificent Goldsmith one.

 
 Posted:   Feb 6, 2014 - 10:58 AM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

I'll wait for the next Blue Max reissue.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 6, 2014 - 9:58 PM   
 By:   RM Eastman   (Member)

As I imagine other cultists are as well, I'm most curious about that BLUE MAX release.

Well at least I can save some money be delaying the Tadlow Music new recording of the complete score..reconstructed by Leigh Phillips...until the 50th Anniversary of the movie....!



Damn re-re-re-re-re-re-issues all to Hell. I want the New Tadlow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 7, 2014 - 7:50 PM   
 By:   filmusicnow   (Member)

Does Julie Kirgo's revised inlay notes for La La Land's "The Blue Max"' reissue mention that Sir Malcolm Arnold was originally asked before Ron Goodwin and eventually Goldsmith to score the film?

 
 Posted:   Feb 11, 2014 - 3:27 AM   
 By:   batman&robin   (Member)

Regarding Flesh+Blood... Please somebody explain what this means exactly ??

the new album’s producer (Ford A. Thaxton) along with the mastering engineer (James Nelson) have tweaked the sound to their liking.

 
 Posted:   Feb 11, 2014 - 3:45 AM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

Regarding Flesh+Blood... Please somebody explain what this means exactly ??

the new album’s producer (Ford A. Thaxton) along with the mastering engineer (James Nelson) have tweaked the sound to their liking.


http://www.intrada.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5924

 
 Posted:   Feb 11, 2014 - 7:29 AM   
 By:   Jason LeBlanc   (Member)


Archival means something, but I don't recall what MV said. It's not the first LLLR's release to be labeled that.



"Expanded Archival Collection" is what LLL puts on all their Warner Brothers expansions, except those that had the WB 90th Anniversary banner last year.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 11, 2014 - 8:02 AM   
 By:   .   (Member)


the new album’s producer (Ford A. Thaxton) along with the mastering engineer (James Nelson) have tweaked the sound to their liking.



My mother does that when she plays her LPs of old musicals. She reaches over and adjusts the tone control on her old amplifier, so it sounds just right for her.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 11, 2014 - 8:24 AM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

"Expanded Archival Collection" is what LLL puts on all their Warner Brothers expansions, except those that had the WB 90th Anniversary banner last year.

Which is a shame, because "Archival" screams BOOTLEG to me! Or sometimes... REEEEEALLY BAD QUALITY but we wanted it out anyway.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 11, 2014 - 9:56 AM   
 By:   vinylscrubber   (Member)

I will still be first in line to order a Tadlow rerecording of this great Goldsmith score, but I appreciate the prudent allocation of one's funds come into play in the production of such a massive undertaking.

 
 Posted:   Feb 11, 2014 - 10:12 AM   
 By:   mstrox   (Member)

"Expanded Archival Collection" is what LLL puts on all their Warner Brothers expansions, except those that had the WB 90th Anniversary banner last year.

Which is a shame, because "Archival" screams BOOTLEG to me! Or sometimes... REEEEEALLY BAD QUALITY but we wanted it out anyway.


In some cases, "archival quality" does mean that it comes from imperfect sources - the first thing that came to mind was Music Box's recent Fitzwilly, which sourced the film recordings from the monaural stem.

http://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=99447&forumID=1&archive=0

For what it's worth, that was not "REEEEEALLY BAD QUALITY" either - I didn't notice any problems with that half of the album.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 11, 2014 - 10:52 AM   
 By:   jwb   (Member)



In some cases, "archival quality" does mean that it comes from imperfect sources


I don't buy that reasoning.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 11, 2014 - 11:24 AM   
 By:   Chris Avis   (Member)



In some cases, "archival quality" does mean that it comes from imperfect sources


I don't buy that reasoning.


Different labels have different meanings for archival. FSM, for instance, released the Satan Bug: Archival Edition which did come from imperfect sources and many tracks had sound effects,.

As I understand it LLL's usage was coined as an alternative to "complete" due to differing opinions on what a "complete score" meant. Here, I would suggest the meaning is to indicate the release is an attempt to archive all of the material written for the score with no connotation as to sound quality.

 
 Posted:   Feb 11, 2014 - 11:42 AM   
 By:   Traveling Matt   (Member)

LLL's reputation on "Archival" titles should overcome any doubt in what it might mean coming from them: the same great stuff you always get from them. It's not a comment on the source material.

I would anticipate any release requiring less-than-ideal sources to be made clear, Archival or not, as it is on their release of Batman.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 12, 2014 - 1:59 AM   
 By:   RM Eastman   (Member)

I want the new recording of the Great "BLUE MAX" not a rerererererererererererererere-lease with the same imperfections. I will not buy it, don't waste our time and money.

 
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