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Great news! This means Tadlow will have tackled a complete set of all Rozsa's epics! (Unless someone wants to count "epic sounding" scores like The Golden Voyage of Sinbad or something):
Quo Vadis
Ben-Hur
El Cid
King of Kings
Sodom and Gomorrah
An amazing historic achievement for one producer to handle all five.
Yavar
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Exciting news indeed!
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I'd invest in several re-recordings. Though I'm sure there are plenty of people hereabouts who wouldn't invest a penny, but would happily acquire the results. (Kind of like a soundtrack version of THE LITTLE RED HEN...)
What amount, if any, of unrecorded music exists for KoK? Were a number of sequences planned and discarded? I know "Salome's Dance" in the actual film isn't nearly the orgiastic cue from the lp, which was later added to the 2-CD set. But is there anything else written but not used? (BEN-HUR, for instance, had all kinds of additional sequences cut before final release. Anyone here remember Marina Berti, as "Flavia the Wanton, whose beauty was a trap set for Ben-Hur," but who in the release version seems more like some kind of Roman debutante?)
I am sure KofK will happen ... but I busy next few months on BEN-HUR .......
I like such news much more than all this Trump sh..
Yes James, you make a lot of people happy!
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Feb 3, 2017 - 2:30 PM
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PFK
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I'd invest in several re-recordings. Though I'm sure there are plenty of people hereabouts who wouldn't invest a penny, but would happily acquire the results. (Kind of like a soundtrack version of THE LITTLE RED HEN...)
What amount, if any, of unrecorded music exists for KoK? Were a number of sequences planned and discarded? I know "Salome's Dance" in the actual film isn't nearly the orgiastic cue from the lp, which was later added to the 2-CD set. But is there anything else written but not used? (BEN-HUR, for instance, had all kinds of additional sequences cut before final release. Anyone here remember Marina Berti, as "Flavia the Wanton, whose beauty was a trap set for Ben-Hur," but who in the release version seems more like some kind of Roman debutante?)
I am sure KofK will happen ... but I busy next few months on BEN-HUR .......
Wow! GREAT news James! 
As Yavar said, to newly record all FIVE of Rozsa's "epic" scores is unbelievable!
You can't retire James, this music is your Fountain Of Youth!
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The good news on KING OF KINGS is yet to be fully confirmed by James,but it's looking positive.I have had a lot of encouragement from many people,perhaps people power can really work!
Over on the discussion board of the Miklos Rozsa Society, I have had the missfortune to encounter one A.L Hern who has all but called me a thief,because I put forward a suggestion on how we can achieve our goal. Yes I am no financial genius and yes I am not fully aware of what the finances will really be, James will explain that.
My only goal was to help raise the funding and interest to get this project off the ground, the financial side is not my business, therefore I have no part in that, so why am I called a thief who is going to run off with all the money.
This is not called for and I consider it an insult on my character and I will withdraw from any involvement in the project.
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Wait a minute, folks.
James wrote, "I'm sure KoK will happen."
That by no means infers he's going to be the one who's going to do it.
So hold your horses, until it's confirmed.
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James F saying KOK will happen I presume is subject to the various proponents for a rerecording -and others - contributing the requisite funds. This would seem logical given James' previous statements on Ben-Hur and his financing of it being his last.
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To be fair to Avie Hern, he merely jokingly (if perhaps a little insensitively) stated that he wasn't sure whence came the gigantic estimate of the cost, though it'll cost more than the recording and mastering fees to produce art and packaging etc..
He made a crack about 'unless you're Max Bialystok, and want to pocket the excess' or something to that effect. Folk might choose to pop over there and read the thread for themselves. Hey, no publicity is bad publicity.
Who knows what arrangement James and Luc or whoever might come to, or (as it sort of already looks) may have already arrived at provisionally, but it needs delicately said that if you do go down the crowd funding route, you need to administer that carefully, and it will involve upfront payment and lots of time. A fund on the other hand, if not a share investment, is a private arrangement that involves goodwill and charity. Either way, careful monitoring is needed, from an accountancy professional maybe. That implies no insult to the planners. I imagine Tadlow or Prometheus have their own experts, but it's not what they're paid for.
It's good to debate this model, and better still if a working model can emerge.
I can't speak for James, but I sort of wonder about this maybe slight ingratitude(?) of clamouring for more when the present project, very generously undertaken, isn't even finished. Shouldn't we give the guy a break? It's like spoilt kids crying for a toy, then, once it's been agreed they can have it, crying for the next one. Does this encourage or discourage Tadlow for the future? I dunno, it's for them to say, but give them room.
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Feb 4, 2017 - 3:48 PM
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Well said William. As I stated in an earlier post, one step at a time, and if Mr. Fitzpatrick does dive into King of Kings...hallelujah!
But if he does, maybe he's decided "ok, after Ben I'll do Kings, but then that's really it!" And if he then hangs it up, appreciate that he did King of Kings for himself AND us, and leave him alone! Everyone clamouring for more and more and more are going to end up turning the man off. He'll say "they're never satisfied, so the hell with". So everyone take a deep breath, appreciate fully what he has done for us up to now and hope that we get King of Kings. But then let it go...........please.
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Feb 4, 2017 - 3:58 PM
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pp312
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And what happened? An excellent set was eventually issued, albeit at a high price point and with many superfluous "extras." Then the bitching really began! "It's too expensive!" "I refuse to buy it!" Yes, those are the voices of some of the film music "marketplace." Is it any wonder that producers fear to move ahead?
To be fair to us nay sayers, John, or at least this nay sayer, the real objection was "It's in mono!" (the complete score anyway), and variable mono at that. Had that set been in stereo and of a comparable sound quality to the previously released Cleopatra, I would gladly have paid the sorts of prices I'm now talking about for KoK. If you want a real indication of the film music marketplace, you would have to ask how well the Cleo set sold. That, not the Spartacus set, was giving the marketplace what it had asked for.
I certainly agree about the quality of Spartacus. I've posted here repeatedly and on Amazon and elsewhere that the Spartacus score not being available in good quality stereo is now the biggest hole in the catalogue.
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The Spartacus score is certainly a great contender, but it has a huge, enhanced brass section. It also has just one choral cue, but that chorus costs. And if you listen to the other rerecorded sections by Silva and Stern, it's not an easy score to perform conventionally because there are bits that require extra layering for mute brass etc.. Nothing less than total precision in timing will do.
So it'll be a challenge, whoever does it.
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