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 Posted:   Sep 12, 2009 - 1:25 PM   
 By:   gyorgyL   (Member)

I am suprised that no one who love the R2 score, keep attention on the mistake in the "overture", the 4 chorist are out of the beat nearly the end of the piece ...Surely a wrong take ...
otherwise I am one of the admirrer of Mr Rosenman scores, I am looking forward to get "Countdown" on CD...

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 12, 2009 - 6:20 PM   
 By:   Brad Wills   (Member)

I am suprised that no one who love the R2 score, keep attention on the mistake in the "overture", the 4 chorist are out of the beat nearly the end of the piece ...Surely a wrong take ...
otherwise I am one of the admirrer of Mr Rosenman scores, I am looking forward to get "Countdown" on CD...



Actually, they're right on the money. Starting at 5:45 the syncopation and the sense of changing meters may be throwing you off. What is suggested is a continually changing time signature pattern of a measure of 5/4, a measure of 3/4, and a measure of 4/4,



although for session purposes it more than likely is just three straight measures of 4/4.



Hope this helps!





 
 Posted:   Sep 12, 2009 - 6:20 PM   
 By:   mastadge   (Member)

Just seeing that makes me giggle.

 
 Posted:   Sep 12, 2009 - 7:55 PM   
 By:   MutualRevolver   (Member)

Wow, great to see a thread devoted to one of my personal grails. I hope I'm not the only one in hoping that this gets a complete release pretty soon

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 13, 2009 - 7:42 PM   
 By:   Ag^Janus   (Member)

Wow, great to see a thread devoted to one of my personal grails. I hope I'm not the only one in hoping that this gets a complete release pretty soon

You are not.

Rosenman's work isn't popular so when it does manage to surface it's probably supported by popular releases, same goes for Raksin.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 15, 2009 - 12:08 PM   
 By:   gyorgyL   (Member)

I am suprised that no one who love the R2 score, keep attention on the mistake in the "overture", the 4 chorist are out of the beat nearly the end of the piece ...Surely a wrong take ...
otherwise I am one of the admirrer of Mr Rosenman scores, I am looking forward to get "Countdown" on CD...



Actually, they're right on the money. Starting at 5:45 the syncopation and the sense of changing meters may be throwing you off. What is suggested is a continually changing time signature pattern of a measure of 5/4, a measure of 3/4, and a measure of 4/4,



although for session purposes it more than likely is just three straight measures of 4/4.



Hope this helps!


Doesn't help, the mistake is at 4:38 the chorists clearly sings before the fanfare starts "Ro-bo-cop !!!" They are not synchro at all ...

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 15, 2009 - 6:38 PM   
 By:   ThomasCrown76   (Member)

Ah, yes, the movie where someone's brain gets literally splattered onto the pavement. Who wouldn't want to see that? Rosenman's not my cup of tea. Star Trek IV is the only Trek movie I do not own. But, to each, their own.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 16, 2015 - 2:50 PM   
 By:   GoblinScore   (Member)

The overture for this just came on Ipod shuffle, and I was really struck
by a strong Americana/Copland feel to the piece. Anyone else dig that?

Despite those goddamn sopranos, I love this score, love the CD, am
pretty sure the inevitable expansion will hurt the flow.

-Sean

 
 Posted:   Jun 16, 2015 - 4:32 PM   
 By:   Timothy J. Phlaps   (Member)

I love this score, love the CD, am
pretty sure the inevitable expansion will hurt the flow.


I wasn't too keen on the sequencing. It opens with the best piece in the film (ROOOO-BO-COOOOPs and all) and then, for me, it just kinda fits and starts until it peters out at the end.

I dunno, it's been a long time since I listened to it. I'll buy an expansion though, 'cos I fucking love ROBOCOP, even the 1994 TV series. The PRIME DIRECTIVES mini-series kinda sucked, though.

 
 Posted:   Jun 16, 2015 - 11:44 PM   
 By:   MutualRevolver   (Member)

...am pretty sure the inevitable expansion will hurt the flow.

...don't know what you mean by that.

I wasn't too keen on the sequencing. It opens with the best piece in the film (ROOOO-BO-COOOOPs and all) and then, for me, it just kinda fits and starts until it peters out at the end.


Yea, it's seriously one of the most out-of-order OSTs from back in the day; in chronological order the experience is moderately more satisfying, but it still lacks important themes and motifs. All the more reason for a complete release!

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 16, 2015 - 11:57 PM   
 By:   GoblinScore   (Member)

I love Rosenman, really I do, but am so used to
this selection, it doesn't wear its welcome out.
Some of my all time faves....I am grateful to have
more, but find myself happy the labels are including the old album configuration. ....

Go figure... I'm still in for Robo 2.0!
-Sean

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 17, 2015 - 12:07 AM   
 By:   Thgil   (Member)

Upon rereading this thread, I can't believe I forgot to follow up after making my RoboCop 2 to Total Recall = Hanson to The Beatles remark. Maybe I forgot I commented here. It really looks like my phrasing was misunderstood. I love The Beatles!

I was talking about the boy band called Hanson. "Mmbop" and all that trash.

In any case, I've reevaluated my opinion regarding Rosenman's RoboCop entry and, while it's still no Total Recall, it's far better than any of the gag-worthy efforts of Hanson. Hopefully that clears it up.

I'd love a deluxe version of this puppy. There are lots of cues that aren't on the album that I would really like to hear without the dialogue, gunshots, and blood splatter.

 
 Posted:   Jun 17, 2015 - 12:12 AM   
 By:   Superman1701   (Member)

I would love this expanded too.

 
 Posted:   Jun 17, 2015 - 1:37 PM   
 By:   Timothy J. Phlaps   (Member)

So I relistened to the album today and I pretty much added each to my Random playlist. There's nothing wrong with the music (other than it being very derivative of other Rosenman scores), but for some reason the CD presentation leaves me cold.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 17, 2015 - 2:44 PM   
 By:   TheFamousEccles   (Member)

I've written at length about this score elsewhere many times (and have just spent a few days with it for something I'm working on - which the board will hear about very soon. NOTE: It's not an expanded CD, I have no idea if such a thing is coming out.), but I'd really love a complete release. The existing album is great fun, but it leaves off a lot of the more diverse material that would allow the score to feel more varied and developed - including some interesting tone-row stuff for the sequence where RoboCop is reprogrammed, the rather nasty cue where the dirty cop is killed, and a lot of the developments and elaborations of the "RoboCop 2" motive, as heard in warehouse massacre - among others. There's quite a bit of other interesting missing material (including a few alternates, but I have no idea if they were ever recorded), and most of it shows off different, and quite interesting, facets of the score, and it would make the overall thought and architecture of the work come across with greater force and clarity (and also, like Leonard's "The Lord of the Rings" score, putting the "Overture" at the end would allow the "RoboCop" theme to really hit home. The A-section gets such a workout throughout the body of the score, but the "Overture" allows the melody to receive a full - and wonderful - development, as though to say: "This is what we've been working towards this whole time." It's a common musico-narrative device, but it works for me every time).

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 17, 2015 - 4:55 PM   
 By:   ZardozSpeaks   (Member)

and have just spent a few days with it for something I'm working on - which the board will hear about very soon. NOTE: It's not an expanded CD, I have no idea if such a thing is coming out

Perhaps a new album of recordings on a few of Rosenman's concert pieces - such as a Violin Concerto. (nudge nudge wink wink - eh Eccles?) smile

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 17, 2015 - 5:02 PM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

It does not make sense, but I recall seeing this in the theatre and being pretty shocked at how violent and hard edged it was, more shocking than the first one. I think the score works very well, it is the usual Rosenman oddity though, pretty strange and complex, and way better than the movie deserved. It is hard to believe that this movie was directed the man that directed Empire Strikes Back.




 
 Posted:   Jun 17, 2015 - 5:02 PM   
 By:   Sean Nethery   (Member)

The talk of Robocop 2 and Total Recall reminds me that I first saw these advertised in a video trade magazine in 1990, and remember rushing to the soundtrack specialty store in town and got them both together on day of release. (The first time I remember being disappointed by a 30-minute album). These were among the first CDs I bought after transitioning (late) to the format - played the hell out of them both.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 17, 2015 - 5:13 PM   
 By:   TheFamousEccles   (Member)

and have just spent a few days with it for something I'm working on - which the board will hear about very soon. NOTE: It's not an expanded CD, I have no idea if such a thing is coming out

Perhaps a new album of recordings on a few of Rosenman's concert pieces - such as a Violin Concerto. (nudge nudge wink wink - eh Eccles?) smile


I wish, ZardozSpeaks. Both Violin Concertos are brilliant and in need of commercial recording (there is a live reference recording of the second one - the one Rosenman was writing during "RoboCop 2"). All will be revealed in another week or so!

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 17, 2015 - 5:13 PM   
 By:   ZardozSpeaks   (Member)

These were among the first CDs I bought after transitioning (late) to the format - played the hell out of them both.

Hey, Sean, I didn't purchase CDs until 1993. smile You were not that late.

When Varese ceased vinyl LP production in mid-1989, my focus turned not towards the compact disc medium but settled onto acquiring rare LPs from the 1950s & 1960s.

In the summer of 1990, I remember getting via mail order 2 used soundtrack LPs in a single delivery: 1) Malcolm Arnold's 1958 "The Roots Of Heaven" on 20th Fox (for $50) and 2) the 1963 RCA LP on Miklos Rozsa's "Sodom and Gomorrah" (for around $75).

 
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