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 Posted:   Jul 28, 2009 - 5:01 PM   
 By:   spielboy   (Member)

good

straight to mr Silvestri was the way to go. We already knew VARESE wouldnt say a thing about this, sadly.

would be a new pressing possible economically?

if not, maybe VARESE should send CD-Rs with the master intact to all the buyers and retailers.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 29, 2009 - 4:11 AM   
 By:   BigMacGyver2000   (Member)

To be fair, varese only learned about this on monday, so they are hopefully looking into it now. Still, i would have liked it to get an response from them. Colosseum at least replied (even on a sunday!) and said that they would check back with their own mastering studio and with varese.

Wether or not a re-pressing will be done, I don't know. It probably depends on how many copies they have pressed already. But if intrada can do a re-pressing because of just one badly mastered track, it should be no problem for varese either.

Let's hope that silvestri can put some pressure on them and that they will take these matters more seriously now than they have in the past. Everyone makes errors and its okay as long as you stand to your errors and are willing to correct them. If varese fails to solve this problem for whatever reasons, i will seriously consider not buying their regular releases anymore.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 29, 2009 - 5:07 AM   
 By:   Francis   (Member)

Good to hear it's being looked into. I was fearing they might leave us in the dark on this one.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 29, 2009 - 6:43 AM   
 By:   darklordsauron   (Member)

If varese fails to solve this problem for whatever reasons, i will seriously consider not buying their regular releases anymore.

Don't you think you're being a bit of a drama queen? One cd out of dozens has a problem and you're prepared to stop buying any more of the dozens that will come out in the next couple of years? Good lord.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 29, 2009 - 6:48 AM   
 By:   BigMacGyver2000   (Member)

"Don't you think you're being a bit of a drama queen? One cd out of dozens has a problem and you're prepared to stop buying any more of the dozens that will come out in the next couple of years? Good lord. "

It's not limited to one release. Rabins flyboys suffered from the same problem and i think everyone remembers the hellboy case. Varese did nothing in both cases. Now if they fail to do something here again, i can never be sure again wether or not i will receive the quality i have paid for, so at least i will think twice before i buy their cds in the future.

 
 Posted:   Jul 29, 2009 - 11:01 AM   
 By:   spielboy   (Member)

what was the HELLBOY case?

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 29, 2009 - 12:53 PM   
 By:   BigMacGyver2000   (Member)

The hellboy release is full of digital click sounds.

 
 Posted:   Jul 29, 2009 - 12:58 PM   
 By:   Sehnsuchtshafen   (Member)

Man, I'm glad that I'm not interested in these scores.

Let Mr. Townson do his homework.
Write him about it, go and complain.
He needs to take some action.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 29, 2009 - 1:31 PM   
 By:   Pennywise   (Member)

Their first release of The Cowboys had the tracks reversed (this is the one I got). Did they ever fix that? I find it reprehensible that this label would not bother correcting some of the mistakes mentioned here. Did they ever even acknolwledge the goofs or did they ignore the issue entirely? Of course, this could be avoided in the first place if they would bother to listen to the finished master before unleashing the CDs on the world.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 29, 2009 - 1:34 PM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

Their first release of The Cowboys had the tracks reversed (this is the one I got). Did they ever fix that? I find it reprehensible that this label would not bother correcting some of the mistakes mentioned here. Did they ever even acknolwledge the goofs or did they ignore the issue entirely? Of course, this could be avoided in the first place if they would bother to listen to the finished master before unleashing the CDs on the world.

Yeah, it's certainly surprising that Varese appears to have such little regard for its customers. I can understand them not wanting to get involved in forum debates, but a little bit of good customer service wouldn't go amiss.

Especially on a title as big as this - surely their showcase summer blockbuster release!

If this had been an Intrada or FSM disc the master would have been re-struck already and the new discs would be halfway off the production line!

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 29, 2009 - 1:38 PM   
 By:   Marko   (Member)



It would be nice to wait and see what Varese says before piling on the attacks. I think what they have done in terms of film music over the years allows them some time to respond.


And if I'm not mistaken they have corrected issues in the past. The Trouble With Harry re-recording comes to mind.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 29, 2009 - 3:17 PM   
 By:   Disco Stu   (Member)

Haven't had time to check this out but do any of the tracks have any kind of cliched ethno rubbish?
You know the middle eastern women wailing, American Indian chanting, African stuff and whatever else there is in the list of "used so often it qualifies as a sound effect by now"?

I wish it's like "Predator" that is still a 80's benchmark score for me.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 29, 2009 - 7:13 PM   
 By:   Michael24   (Member)

Haven't had time to check this out but do any of the tracks have any kind of cliched ethno rubbish?
You know the middle eastern women wailing, American Indian chanting, African stuff and whatever else there is in the list of "used so often it qualifies as a sound effect by now"?


Somebody here said it's much more comparable to what Silvestri did for The Long Kiss Goodnight and Eraser. smile

 
 Posted:   Jul 29, 2009 - 8:06 PM   
 By:   Dr. Nigel Channing   (Member)

Their first release of The Cowboys had the tracks reversed (this is the one I got). Did they ever fix that? I find it reprehensible that this label would not bother correcting some of the mistakes mentioned here. Did they ever even acknolwledge the goofs or did they ignore the issue entirely? Of course, this could be avoided in the first place if they would bother to listen to the finished master before unleashing the CDs on the world.

Varese did correct this issue in a later pressing.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 30, 2009 - 1:50 AM   
 By:   Francis   (Member)

Haven't had time to check this out but do any of the tracks have any kind of cliched ethno rubbish?
You know the middle eastern women wailing, American Indian chanting, African stuff and whatever else there is in the list of "used so often it qualifies as a sound effect by now"?

I wish it's like "Predator" that is still a 80's benchmark score for me.


For me, the biggest cliché is the asian panflute sound for Snake Eyes, which is merely a sound and not a theme.

Aside from that there is little to none 'ethno rubbish' lol

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 30, 2009 - 2:26 AM   
 By:   BigMacGyver2000   (Member)

There's not even a choir. It's something i really like about the score. It avoids some of these ethno-cliches and big choral "ahh, ohh, ahhh" things that are so common and worn out in action scores these days.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 30, 2009 - 4:46 AM   
 By:   bondo321   (Member)

This score was very cold and distant to me at first, particularly since I haven't seen the film yet. But after listening to it every day for a week now, it's definitely growing on me. The theme isn't as obvious and instantly memorable as Silvestri's past efforts, but it IS classic Silvestri nonetheless. The "End Credits" are just damn fun!

I still maintain that this score most resembles ERASER. A few tracks contain electronics (none of which are annoying, surprisingly), and the 80s/90s electric guitar pops up once or twice. The references to past Silvestri scores are too numerous to count. I heard rhythms from Eraser, Tomb Raider 2, Predator, Beowulf, and Van Helsing just to name a few. This isn't necessarily a bad thing if you're a Silvestri fan, but the score literally has nothing new to offer.

In that way it reminds me of the recent criticism of Steve Jablonsky's REVENGE OF THE FALLEN score. There's nothing new or surprising in this score, and the theme won't blow you away. But like that score, GI JOE is still enjoyable in the way that only dumb summer movie blockbusters can be.

 
 Posted:   Jul 30, 2009 - 1:35 PM   
 By:   T.J. Turner   (Member)

The hellboy release is full of digital click sounds.

Interesting I never noticed that. in Hellboy.
But thier release of PAVALLION OF WOMEN has a couple tracks near the end of the disc that has lots of clicks and pops.
Also thier release of ARABIAN NIGHTS has one damaged track (they actually replaced that disc, on a case by case bases when contacted)
Thats my expereinces at least.

In the case of G.I. Joe
Its seems they don't have great QA, or the team doing it are not audiophiles. I mean a 16kHz frequency cut off? That should have been obvious on the first listen.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 30, 2009 - 2:22 PM   
 By:   BigMacGyver2000   (Member)

"thier release of PAVALLION OF WOMEN has a couple tracks near the end of the disc that has lots of clicks and pops.
Also thier release of ARABIAN NIGHTS has one damaged track (they actually replaced that disc, on a case by case bases when contacted)"

Thanks, i wasn't aware of these cases either. It's good to know that they at least do replace defective product like the cowboys and arabian nights.

"In the case of G.I. Joe
Its seems they don't have great QA, or the team doing it are not audiophiles. I mean a 16kHz frequency cut off? That should have been obvious on the first listen. "

It's one of the reasons why i hope there will be a replacement action. The error is just so obvious that it can only be a mixup of some sort. No real professional audio engineer would have let this happen. Now that Silvestri is looking into it as well, I am crossing my fingers that something will happen. On the other hand, I still haven't received a reply from varese yet...

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 3, 2009 - 4:38 AM   
 By:   BigMacGyver2000   (Member)

In a recent email reply to a customer, colosseum has confessed the master is not the correct one:

"thanks so much for your inquiry.

Yes, you're absolutely right, unfortunately the original master seems to be the wrong one. We did contact our US partner Varese and are awaiting their reply very soon.
We'll contact you very soon again to solve this issue.

Sorry for causing this inconvenience,
best regards

Anna Miller"

Looks like they are waiting for a reply from varese as well.

 
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