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 Posted:   Apr 16, 2010 - 1:12 AM   
 By:   Marcato   (Member)

Just got my copy... which helped relieve the pain of dropping a check in the mail to the IRS considerably.

Thus far, the clarity of the music is just amazing. Details that were submerged in previous editions are now crystal clear, especially the electronic elements. The score feels richer than ever. And it's great to finally have it in its entirety.

If you're a fan of this score, don't hesitate. It's like listening to LLL's release of EXTREME PREJUDICE. The remastering turns the score into a new experience. Again, thanks to Intrada for giving this score the deluxe treatment.



how about the end title ? - does it miss those 10 seconds at the end of across the board ?

 
 Posted:   Apr 16, 2010 - 8:41 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

I'm extremely happy with this release. But I have to agree the merging on the last two tracks was not only a bad idea, the cross-fade is dreadful. But that's a minor irritation considering the other option is not having this release at all I guess. But again one has to wonder why people do what they do.

 
 Posted:   Apr 16, 2010 - 9:31 AM   
 By:   Shaun Rutherford   (Member)

I'm extremely happy with this release. But I have to agree the merging on the last two tracks was not only a bad idea, the cross-fade is dreadful. But that's a minor irritation considering the other option is not having this release at all I guess. But again one has to wonder why people do what they do.

This

 
 Posted:   Apr 16, 2010 - 10:52 AM   
 By:   Sarge   (Member)


how about the end title ? - does it miss those 10 seconds at the end of across the board ?


They tackle this issue in the liner notes -

"...viewers of the film will note that as soon as the title 'Robocop' bursts on screen, there is an insertion for just a few seconds of the main theme, taken from the cue 'Drive Montage.' This was a last-minute decision to ensure the theme would appear right over the titles. Though clever, viewers will note the edit is both abrupt and decidedly non-musical, and was not originally scored by the composer in this manner. As such, for our assembly, we elected not to reproduce that particular edit."

Since we have that version on two previous CDs, I can't say it really bothers me, especially if this version is closer to what Basil originally intended us to hear.

 
 Posted:   Apr 16, 2010 - 11:44 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)


how about the end title ? - does it miss those 10 seconds at the end of across the board ?


They tackle this issue in the liner notes -

"...viewers of the film will note that as soon as the title 'Robocop' bursts on screen, there is an insertion for just a few seconds of the main theme, taken from the cue 'Drive Montage.' This was a last-minute decision to ensure the theme would appear right over the titles. Though clever, viewers will note the edit is both abrupt and decidedly non-musical, and was not originally scored by the composer in this manner. As such, for our assembly, we elected not to reproduce that particular edit."

Since we have that version on two previous CDs, I can't say it really bothers me, especially if this version is closer to what Basil originally intended us to hear.


Thanks for the explanation and its cool they gave one. Just watched the end credits on YouTube. I have to say I can't say their solution was any better. But as I said its a minor quibble. I have the original release and will make my own edits in Wave Pad.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 16, 2010 - 3:31 PM   
 By:   Marcato   (Member)

I'm extremely happy with this release. But I have to agree the merging on the last two tracks was not only a bad idea, the cross-fade is dreadful. But that's a minor irritation considering the other option is not having this release at all I guess. But again one has to wonder why people do what they do.


my package has not arrived yet what is this cross-fade you talk about ?

 
 Posted:   Apr 16, 2010 - 5:06 PM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

I'm extremely happy with this release. But I have to agree the merging on the last two tracks was not only a bad idea, the cross-fade is dreadful. But that's a minor irritation considering the other option is not having this release at all I guess. But again one has to wonder why people do what they do.


my package has not arrived yet what is this cross-fade you talk about ?


As discussed earlier, "Across The Board" is missing the ending which had a reprise of the Robocop theme on previous releases. "Across The Board" was shortened and merged right into the "End Credits" for this latest release. It's neither film accurate or a very good cross-fade. (IMHO) I say cross-fade, for the lack of a better word.

Edit: That one quibble aside, the score sounds fabulous!

 
 Posted:   Apr 16, 2010 - 5:56 PM   
 By:   Miles (MerM)   (Member)

A little new info for you guys:

1) The RoboCop march at the end of 'Across The Board' is actually from 'Drive Montage' (the ads say it wasn't included, but well... wrong). So that leaves the awkward transition into the credits. HOWEVER...

2) If you have a program like Audacity and are good at waveform editing, you can remove the 'Rock Shop' portion of the credits and find a (more or less) clean ending for Across The Board. It's not perfect, but it'll do.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 17, 2010 - 7:00 PM   
 By:   scrapsly   (Member)

Great release Intrada. Well worth doing for the third time. Thanks for taking the time and effort. The improved sound makes this title worth buying even if one has the other two releases. Not to mention the tracks being in film order and great liner notes. More Poledouris please !

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 18, 2010 - 12:59 AM   
 By:   Marcato   (Member)

A little new info for you guys:

1) The RoboCop march at the end of 'Across The Board' is actually from 'Drive Montage' (the ads say it wasn't included, but well... wrong). So that leaves the awkward transition into the credits. HOWEVER...

2) If you have a program like Audacity and are good at waveform editing, you can remove the 'Rock Shop' portion of the credits and find a (more or less) clean ending for Across The Board. It's not perfect, but it'll do.




i just think i burn a copy with the whole score and take the ACROSS THE BOARD cue from my varese release

 
 Posted:   Apr 18, 2010 - 6:34 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

A little new info for you guys:

1) The RoboCop march at the end of 'Across The Board' is actually from 'Drive Montage' (the ads say it wasn't included, but well... wrong). So that leaves the awkward transition into the credits. HOWEVER...

2) If you have a program like Audacity and are good at waveform editing, you can remove the 'Rock Shop' portion of the credits and find a (more or less) clean ending for Across The Board. It's not perfect, but it'll do.




i just think i burn a copy with the whole score and take the ACROSS THE BOARD cue from my varese release


I pretty much did the same thing. I edited out Across The Board from the new release, and merged Across The Board from the first release into the end credits on the third release. Still not exactly film accurate but it makes for a better listen.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 18, 2010 - 7:37 AM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

No sign of mine yet...

Unfortunately this cloud of ash has suspending 95% of flights into the UK so Robo is probably sitting on the tarmac somewhere. Unless it made it though before the volcano went bang. Bloody volcanos! ;-)

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 18, 2010 - 7:49 AM   
 By:   Bromhead   (Member)

No sign of mine yet...

Unfortunately this cloud of ash has suspending 95% of flights into the UK so Robo is probably sitting on the tarmac somewhere. Unless it made it though before the volcano went bang. Bloody volcanos! ;-)


Yep mine is on the tarmac as well :-(.......

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 18, 2010 - 12:53 PM   
 By:   Marcato   (Member)

No sign of mine yet...

Unfortunately this cloud of ash has suspending 95% of flights into the UK so Robo is probably sitting on the tarmac somewhere. Unless it made it though before the volcano went bang. Bloody volcanos! ;-)


Yep mine is on the tarmac as well :-(.......



Speaking of Volcanos

I think it's about time we get Silvestri's VOLCANO released

DANTE'S PEAK also

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 18, 2010 - 1:06 PM   
 By:   Jameson281   (Member)

Although it's nice having the complete score, I find some of Intrada's choice a little awkward. They explain their decision of not putting the source music on as bonus tracks in the liner notes, but I find it a little disruptive to the flow. Certainly the elevator music (bizarrely titled "Big Is Better", which refers to the 6000 SUX commercial) feels totally out of place. I don't care for combining "Force Shoots Robo" with "6000 SUX", and combining the Media Break Sign-Off with "OCP Monitors" makes it sound like an opening fanfare for that piece.

So for me I think the previous album is perhaps a better listening experience, but, as I said, the new Intrada is good to have for the sake of completeness.

 
 Posted:   Apr 19, 2010 - 7:41 AM   
 By:   Shaun Rutherford   (Member)

Apparently I'm just going to complain about every single release that comes out, but it's really baffling that Intrada and LLL are reissuing scores, but making their "own" version of it which doesn't completely make the old versions obsolete. This is what I want from these new editions: to be able to shitcan the old discs. But almost every single release of a previously-available score has some change that makes me have to double-up titles (for instance, The Blue Max, this Robocop, LLL's The Fugitive, bootleg/Broughton's action sampler that has "Diversionary Tactics" from Young Sherlock Holmes as its own standalone cue). Yes, yes, I hear the "Just make your own version" crowd, but why not just give us the entire score indexed, and if we want to make our own suites, we can do THAT? If either way they're released, we're going to have to make our own versions, why not let the people who want to make "Grammy-nominated albums" of suites do that themselves? The way they're being done now, if we want the 2nd (or 3rd or 4th) cue within an index, an edit is impossible because of the ridiculous crossfades. At least giving us the cues as intended lets the suite crowd create their own ridiculous crossfades.

I'm all for expanding and completing these scores, obviously, but if the original release was missing 7 cues, just add the 7 cues! Don't add the cues to previously-released tracks' indexes and make me/us keep what should be worthless original releases or even bootlegs.

I wish there were some way to "poll the audience" about this kind of thing, as we are the ones buying the actual releases (I can already see the results: Producer's Mix Tape Version - 97%, Cues As Written - 3%).

 
 Posted:   Apr 19, 2010 - 7:58 AM   
 By:   Francis   (Member)

Shaun, I agree with your "to be able to shitcan the old discs" remark, because I'm not a fan of double dipping. I also wonder why Intrada didn't include alternate versions (like the main title movie edit) or whatever music is left off. Was it to distance their release from the Varese? Have they been working long enough on this to have consulted with Poledouris himself? Only they can tell.

I guess you have to view the situation individually for each release, and in regards to La La's Fugitive, they did include the electra tracks in their correct stereo channel mix and a bunch of alternative/synth mockup cues. If they decide to do a fade or mix of two cues, I don't mind really. It seems like a huge task to go through all the material and cues of a composer anyway and a lot of the time what was composed didn't end up on the big screen in the version as intended.

A lot of this seems like nitpicking, especially when you think of a time when it was normal that important cues were dropped off entirely due to fees or album presentation. Now I'm glad we get to hear the majority of the score.

 
 Posted:   Apr 19, 2010 - 8:03 AM   
 By:   Shaun Rutherford   (Member)

LLL's Fugitive had a few of the Elektra cues, but they actually could've fit ALL the cues that were differently arranged on their version.

Another reason this is such an annoyance with me is that this just gives ANOTHER label, a few years down the road, an excuse to release Robocop AGAIN.

 
 Posted:   Apr 19, 2010 - 8:33 AM   
 By:   Frank V   (Member)

I guess you have to view the situation individually for each release, and in regards to La La's Fugitive, they did include the electra tracks in their correct stereo channel mix and a bunch of alternative/synth mockup cues.

The La-La Land release is missing the album version of "It's Over".

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 20, 2010 - 7:24 PM   
 By:   Chris in PA   (Member)

I finally got through my first full listening of this new release of Robocop and, for me, it has been a wonderful revelation!

I have the first Varese CD and have always been a bit disappointed in it. I'm not sure if I could properly and fully articulate why, just that the music (as released on the CD) just didn't seem as good, as ENJOYABLE, as the music in the film.

I was never really blown away by the sound quality and there just seemed (IMHO) to be some important pieces missing (especially pieces with the Robocop march).

The new Intrada CD, though, just blows me away.

The sound is gorgeous and makes it seem like it was recorded this morning.

The flow of the music seems somehow better with more articulation and use of the march/theme.

It really seems like I'm listening to the soundtrack for the first time because, to me, it is just so much better than the original Varese presentation.

I rarely played my old Robocop CD, but this new one will get a lot of listening.

Thank you Intrada!

 
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