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This is a comments thread about FSM CD: Star Trek III: The Search for Spock
 
 Posted:   May 24, 2010 - 12:48 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

Yes I would have rather used that extra $5 for shipping.

But as you well know, had those album versions not appeared on this release, a different camp would be crying foul. A choice had to be made, and it necessarily would not please everyone. Soundtrack fans display infinite diversity in infinite combinations. A choice had to be made. That's life.

 
 Posted:   May 24, 2010 - 12:53 PM   
 By:   Trent B.   (Member)

It's sad some of you are bitching about the price and the fact they included the OST presentation...honestly get over it! If you really care that much about the damn price of the CD, then DON'T BUY IT and quit pissing on everyone else' enjoyment of this release.

 
 Posted:   May 24, 2010 - 12:53 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

Those who want this and wil enjoy it? Great. But don't chastise others for deciding what to do or not with their money.

Fair enough. But there is a prevailing attitude seen here on some (please note that word) posts that their own personal issue is the general one. Nobody need buy any CD, certainly, but neither should anybody assume that the second disc they don't want is the second disc nobody wants. Quite possibly, this attitude just appears to be prevalent because of hastily composed, or inarticulately worded, posts. Still, it's easy to read a lot of "we" here that really just means "I."

And again, nobody's asking anybody to be a cheerleader.

 
 Posted:   May 24, 2010 - 12:54 PM   
 By:   The Projectionist   (Member)

Yes I would have rather used that extra $5 for shipping.

But as you well know, had those album versions not appeared on this release, a different camp would be crying foul. A choice had to be made, and it necessarily would not please everyone. Soundtrack fans display infinite diversity in infinite combinations. A choice had to be made. That's life.


I disagree with that. When ST II was released no one said a thing about it not including an album CD. And I haven't seen a response from FSM saying that the decision HAD to be made to include a 2nd CD.
It could be just a gimmick to inflate the price for all we know now.

Hmm Cheerleaders...I like that term

Its a great release that I appreciate. I just don't care to buy scores I already own just to get, a score I want. Am I allowed to have that opinion without being called a bitch?

 
 Posted:   May 24, 2010 - 12:56 PM   
 By:   David (Giacchino-fan)   (Member)

AWESOME!

Just logged on and saw this beauty... and 2 DISCS, no less!

I for one am glad to have the extra disc with the original album.... this release is cheaper than buying the old one, and this has so much extra music!

This truly is THE YEAR for great releases.

 
 
 Posted:   May 24, 2010 - 1:02 PM   
 By:   Ford A. Thaxton   (Member)


What are fools talking about


Your record breaking posting of your fanboy bitching about the 2nd CD...


I wasn't bitching I was just making a observation and stated a opinion.

Aka FANBOY BITCHING..


Sorry,if the shoe fits...

You wear it...


I for one am quite happy they are doing it this way.


Ford A. Thaxton

 
 Posted:   May 24, 2010 - 1:10 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

I disagree with that. When ST II was released no one said a thing about it not including an album CD. And I haven't seen a response from FSM saying that the decision HAD to be made to include a 2nd CD.
It could be just a gimmick to inflate the price for all we know now.


What I find so disheartening is the automatic mistrust on display here, the assumption that we're being taken, that Lukas is just trying to jack up the price. What, in more than a decade, has Lukas or anybody at FSM done to deserve this suspicion? They have more than earned my trust.

I certainly don't need anybody from FSM to explain that their hands were tied, because if it was a creative decision, it was theirs to make. They have made it abundantly clear what I will get if I give them my $25 for this release. What have they done wrong here?

The difference between this CD and "Star Trek II"? Apparently (and I never knew this, but others did), some album tracks on "III" differed from the film versions. If you add up the time of the complete score as used in the film (CD 1) plus the alternate tracks from the original album (four of them), you go way over 80 minutes, even if you delete the source track suite at the end of disc one. "II" was merely the original album, plus additional cues, in film order. If you did that with "III," you would be leaving out alternates that a lot of fans would object to missing.

The second CD will cost you all of $5. I'm not making light of the value of $5, just saying that it hardly strikes me as an unreasonable price for a disc. If that's more than you're willing to pay, that's your prerogative. (And yes, I see that you did buy it.) But really, what's the crime here?

 
 Posted:   May 24, 2010 - 1:15 PM   
 By:   msmith   (Member)

Thanks! I just ordered it.
But including the second disc is a waste, and inconsistent with the ST 2 release.


Give the man the cigar..

The First Fanboy bitchng about this release within Three minutes of the first posting.

It's the best of both worlds, if you liked the album version, you get it.

If you want to the expanded score, you get that...


And you only have to pay an additional $5.00 for the 2nd CD...


Not a bad deal for those of us wanting this sort of release for the last 26 years....


Ford A. Thaxton


Well said!


What are fools talking about, I wasn't bitching I was just making a observation and stated a opinion. I'm very excited about this release in general. I like Star Trek 3 more than Star Trek 2 and I ordered my copy before the announcement was even posted here.



BEWARE!!! Beware of people who bitch about people who bitch.

 
 Posted:   May 24, 2010 - 1:18 PM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

Christmas has indeed come early! So ordered!

 
 
 Posted:   May 24, 2010 - 1:19 PM   
 By:   Ford A. Thaxton   (Member)

Yes I would have rather used that extra $5 for shipping.

But as you well know, had those album versions not appeared on this release, a different camp would be crying foul. A choice had to be made, and it necessarily would not please everyone. Soundtrack fans display infinite diversity in infinite combinations. A choice had to be made. That's life.


I disagree with that. When ST II was released no one said a thing about it not including an album CD. And I haven't seen a response from FSM saying that the decision HAD to be made to include a 2nd CD.



FYI, now I'm sure he will post some reply, but he really doesn't OWE YOU ONE.

The man put alot of time and $$$$ to get this out, I SUSPECT he had to include the original album as part of his license and this is what they came up with.

And it's worth mentioning that some of the album tracks are alternate versions of certain cues such as STEALING THE ENTERPRISE.

So it's a good deal as far as I'm concerned.


If you don't wish to buy it, that's your call.




Ford A. Thaxton

 
 Posted:   May 24, 2010 - 1:20 PM   
 By:   Trekfan   (Member)

The defiant rendition of Horner's Trek theme in the "Stealing the Enterprise" cue is one of my favorite film music moments ever. The "call and answer" screaming horns leading up to that moment send a chill up my spine every time.

Same here! "Kirk, you do this...you'll never sit in the Captain's chair again."

"Stealing the Enterprise" might be one of my favorite Horner cues ever - so much good stuff happening musically and dramatically (and it's a treat to hear the film version as well). I love the creativity and energy Horner clearly was bursting with around this time for a cue containing so much great stuff. And I love the way it builds to the brass that you mention.

Also, as heard in the last 20 seconds or so of the sample from the new release that's up ( http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/store/MP3/R129/2-03_Stealing_the_Enterprise.mp3 ), I've always loved that rhythmically staggered brass/string (mostly in double basses) figure leading to the string sustain and those small motivic ideas (in piano and pitched percussion) he puts over it - the sample fades out right after the "second" grouping of that musical idea.

Terrific release! And the audio quality sounds excellent. Thanks FSM!

 
 Posted:   May 24, 2010 - 1:24 PM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

Thanks! I just ordered it.
But including the second disc is a waste, and inconsistent with the ST 2 release.



Oh no! Whatever shall we do!!!! Inconsistent!!! Noooo!!!

 
 Posted:   May 24, 2010 - 1:29 PM   
 By:   Jeyl   (Member)

I take it the "Prologue and Main Title" on the "Film Score" disc will contain Spock's monologue just like the ending theme from the Wrath of Khan album? Since FSM has stated that the reason it was included was because it was on the original album, I fear they'll throw the monologue into this one anyways since they will be including the original album that didn't have Spock's monologue in it. That would be unfortunate because I can already tell from the one minute preview of the "Film Score" disc version that the track sounds different in certain ways when compared to the original album, so saying that you get the same tracks with and without the monologue would be disingenuous.

 
 Posted:   May 24, 2010 - 1:31 PM   
 By:   Sarge   (Member)

I can't believe people are complaining that this release is 2 CDs, and encompasses both the complete score and the original album presentation - which, might I add, will sound better than it ever has before.

SchiffyM is correct. Had FSM only released the complete score, a different camp would be complaining that the original album was not included / remastered.

And I can't believe people are complaining that this release costs FIVE DOLLARS more for a second CD.

I've been mighty broke in my day, but this is patently ridiculous. Skip that Double-Down at KFC, make a can of soup at home and you'll break even for the week.

 
 Posted:   May 24, 2010 - 1:39 PM   
 By:   Jeyl   (Member)

Schiffy is correct. Had FSM only released the complete score, a different camp would be complaining that the original album was not included / remastered.

When looking at this soundtrack release, I can kind of see a missed opportunity here from The Wrath of Khan release. They could have had the entire score on one disc sans Spock's ending voice over and the Genesis Project (NOT from the soundtrack, just from the score disc), have a second disc which contains the original album remastered with not only Spock's voice over and the out of order track listings, but also the album version of "Battle in the Mutara Nebula" which was not included in the complete score collection. After that, the CD would also include the Genesis Project (Always saw it as more of a bonus track than a score track since it wasn't really 'score' music) and the Original Version of the Epilogue in as bonus tracks after the album. I can't think of any reason why anyone would complain over that.

 
 Posted:   May 24, 2010 - 1:45 PM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

What a shame. People have been crying out for this score for years and years around here. Now it's been announced and this thread has spiraled into the usual bitchfest. Why? Because we're not only getting the complete, original score but also the original album version with better than ever sound quality. For a measly $5 more. I wonder how much time, effort and money Lukas and Co. have put into this for who? YOU. The fans. And this is the response....

I just don't get this place sometimes....

 
 
 Posted:   May 24, 2010 - 1:46 PM   
 By:   tobid   (Member)

Schiffy is correct. Had FSM only released the complete score, a different camp would be complaining that the original album was not included / remastered.

Why? This isn't the original album, and it's not trying to be the original album. It would be like complaining how the Lord of the Rings: Complete Recordings didn't include the original single disc soundtrack.


All the LOTR scores are readilly available pretty cheap. If I want to get the original album for STAR TREK III I pay more that the new FSM CDs cost.

 
 
 Posted:   May 24, 2010 - 1:48 PM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

Fantastic!!!

Finally "Genesis Destroyed" on CD. I never thought I'd live to see the day!!! Thanks guys!!! :-)

The second disc makes perfect sense. There's 24 minutes worth of genuine, alternate album versions on there. Those tracks wouldn't have fit onto the end of disc 1, thus the second disc was essential. And once you establish that the second disc is essential, why not just recreate the whole album experience. I like it. In many ways I wish they'd done the same with Wrath Of Khan, I mean those original Trek albums are iconic.

Brilliant. Can't wait to get this!!!

And what a brilliant cover (the original Trek III cover was pooooooooooooo!!)

NB: For future reference, several of the tracks on Star Trek V differ from their film counterparts too!

 
 
 Posted:   May 24, 2010 - 1:48 PM   
 By:   BigMacGyver2000   (Member)

OMG, how people are even able to already find something to complain about here is beyond me. But to each his own. I have nothing to complain about this release.

What i wonder about is why SAE is charging considerably more shipping costs for a multi disc set when there is really not that much difference in weigh and packaging between a single disc and a 2-disc release... the mysteries of the world! But of course that did not stop me from ordering STIII!

 
 
 Posted:   May 24, 2010 - 1:49 PM   
 By:   El Aurence   (Member)

This is really GREAT!

As someone who enjoyed and still is enjoying scores for the past 30 years such a release is nothing but a treat: beautiful artwork, a 20 page booklet, the complete score AND the LP Version!

I really don't understand these "discussions" above. What is this all about? Why don't you discuss and talk about the music??? That would be much more interesting!

Why aren't you just grateful that there are people on this planet who share our passion for music and make it POSSIBLE FOR US to listen to such stunning music???

Dear Mr. Kendall and all the others from FSM: PLEASE go on with your marvellous work and THANK YOU for all the CD's in the past, present and future!

 
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