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 Posted:   Dec 8, 2012 - 6:50 AM   
 By:   KonstantinosZ   (Member)

I think I can get "Breakout", so at least I will confirm or not this episode..

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 8, 2012 - 9:59 AM   
 By:   CindyLover   (Member)

"Kraft Television Theatre" (which has the distinction of airing on two different networks [N.B.C. and A.B.C.]) which aired from 1948 to 1958, is NOT the same show as "Kraft Suspense Theatre", which was coproduced by Romcom Films (Perry Como's production company) and Universal Television. It ran for two seasons on N.B.C. from 1963 to 1965, and deserves a D.V.D. release (are you listening, Timeless?).

Isn't this Roncom, which makes more sense? I'm pretty sure Run For Your Life (which his company also did) was not a romantic comedy...

 
 Posted:   Dec 8, 2012 - 12:17 PM   
 By:   BornOfAJackal   (Member)

The next box set from La-La Land should be--no kidding--The Gilligan's Island Soundtrack Collection! There's some top-flight scoring in that show! John Williams, Gerald Fried, and I-don't-know-who-else. The swashbuckling "Lord Admiral Gilligan" theme is priceless. Anyone know who wrote it?

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 9, 2012 - 11:22 AM   
 By:   KonstantinosZ   (Member)

According to FSM volume 3, issue 4, page 40 about Kraft Mystery Theater:

The show mostly employed library music, but Williams wrote a title theme and three episode scores in 1963.

I have found the 3 episodes that have a credit in the end:
Music score
Johnny Williams


Maybe there are more, and the author in the FSM article, knew only these..

SEASON 3
Episode 4 CATCH FEAR BY THE THROAT aired 07/10/1963
Episode 5 THE FUGITIVE EYE aired 07/17/1963
Episode 10 THE HOUR OF THE BATH aired 08/21/1963


maybe you can update your first post Thor. wink

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 9, 2012 - 12:46 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

OK, done, thank you.

Who wrote the theme for MYSTERY, though? I'm guessing it's not Williams.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 9, 2012 - 1:32 PM   
 By:   KonstantinosZ   (Member)

OK, done, thank you.

Who wrote the theme for MYSTERY, though? I'm guessing it's not Williams.


well, when they say "he wrote a title theme", what do they mean?
He didn't write the Mystery theme?

edit: oh, now that i saw the TV guide in jwfan too, yes, maybe he wrote the 3rd season theme..
The episodes i saw had a specific theme which played in the opening and end credits of the 3rd season.
Other season episodes had something else which definitely didn't sound like Williams.
But that 3rd season theme did.
Its start reminded me a bit of Diamond Head.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 9, 2012 - 1:35 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Could be.

I just thought he was too 'unknown' to compose title themes in 1958. Episode scores, maybe, but title themes? I don't know.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 9, 2012 - 1:44 PM   
 By:   KonstantinosZ   (Member)

About Kraft Mystery:
Of course we don't know if only those 3 episodes have score by Williams.
Maybe the FSM guide has ommissions, as it did with some other series (eg. Alcoa Premiere)

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 9, 2012 - 1:52 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

I'm a bit confused now.

I thought KRAFT MYSTERY THEATER only lasted from April-1958 to September-1958 -- a sort of temporary show between KRAFT TELEVISION THEATER and KRAFT SUSPENSE THEATER. But now it seems like it's a show that went parallell to KRAFT SUSPENSE THEATER, over three whole seasons?!?

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 9, 2012 - 2:30 PM   
 By:   KonstantinosZ   (Member)

I'm a bit confused now.

I thought KRAFT MYSTERY THEATER only lasted from April-1958 to September-1958 -- a sort of temporary show between KRAFT TELEVISION THEATER and KRAFT SUSPENSE THEATER. But now it seems like it's a show that went parallell to KRAFT SUSPENSE THEATER, over three whole seasons?!?


http://ctva.biz/US/Anthology/KraftMysteryTheatre.htm
(Another series titled Kraft Mystery Theater aired on NBC from during the Summer of 1958)

well, I should spell it THEATRE.
THEATER is the spelling for the show you say..

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 9, 2012 - 2:51 PM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

I'm a bit confused now.

I thought KRAFT MYSTERY THEATER only lasted from April-1958 to September-1958 -- a sort of temporary show between KRAFT TELEVISION THEATER and KRAFT SUSPENSE THEATER. But now it seems like it's a show that went parallell to KRAFT SUSPENSE THEATER, over three whole seasons?!?



The IMDB shows Kraft Mystery Theater as running on NBC for the three summers (generally June - September) of 1961 to 1963. But Alex McNeil's book Total Television doesn't even list the series at all. A mystery indeed.

McNeil's book shows Kraft Suspense Theatre as running from 10 October 1963 to 9 September 1965 on NBC. The IMDB basically says the same, which would place the Suspense Theatre as beginning shortly after Mystery Theater ended.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 9, 2012 - 3:04 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

I'm a bit confused now.

I thought KRAFT MYSTERY THEATER only lasted from April-1958 to September-1958 -- a sort of temporary show between KRAFT TELEVISION THEATER and KRAFT SUSPENSE THEATER. But now it seems like it's a show that went parallell to KRAFT SUSPENSE THEATER, over three whole seasons?!?


http://ctva.biz/US/Anthology/KraftMysteryTheatre.htm
(Another series titled Kraft Mystery Theater aired on NBC from during the Summer of 1958)

well, I should spell it THEATRE.
THEATER is the spelling for the show you say..


Really? You think there's one show called KRAFT MYSTERY THEATER and one called KRAFT MYSTERY THEATRE, and they're different shows?

If so, that's totally weird and just adds to the total confusion for all these Kraft shows. John Williams TV Jungle indeed! smile

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 9, 2012 - 3:48 PM   
 By:   KonstantinosZ   (Member)

I don't think, it says so in the link i provided. wink

 
 Posted:   Dec 9, 2012 - 6:08 PM   
 By:   Jeff Eldridge   (Member)

If you guys would read my NIGHTWATCH booklet notes, you might not be as confused about all this as you appear to be.

There were many different incarnations of KRAFT MYSTERY THEATRE. Williams' involvement was only in the version that aired during the summer of 1963. He wrote a theme for that summer season as well as a handful of original episode scores.

There was no episode called "Breakout" that season and it wasn't scored by Williams, no matter what IMDb says.

Roncom (not Romcom) was Perry Como's production company. Perry Como's KRAFT MUSIC HALL aired during off weeks for SUSPENSE THEATRE.

"The Fugitive Eye" and "The Hour of Bath" were repeats from ALCOA PREMIERE; they were originally scored by Williams, but not expressly for KRAFT MYSTERY. In fact, nine of the 1963 KRAFT MYSTERY episodes were ALCOA PREMIERE repeats (all but one originally scored by Williams).

"Catch Fear by the Throat" did originally air on KRAFT MYSTERY and was scored by Williams:



It was the third original episode aired and the second (of at least three but possibly more) scored by Williams.

The title of the show was spelled KRAFT MYSTERY THEATRE (not THEATER):

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 9, 2012 - 6:52 PM   
 By:   KonstantinosZ   (Member)

well, according to this here too, there is an episode called "Breakout" (season 1, episode 4), but we don't know if it was scored by Williams or not. (I read afterwards the guide that said that he scored only episodes from 1963 [season 3])

http://ctva.biz/US/Anthology/KraftMysteryTheatre.htm

So, if I got it right, the 3 episodes scored by Williams that are mentioned in FSM guide include "Catch Fear by the Throat" and 2 others, other than the Alcoa premiere repeats?

the 3rd season (1963) has 15 episodes.
so the john Williams ones are:
3 (incl. "Catch Fear by the throat") + 8 Alcoa premiere repeats (incl. "Fugitive Eye" & "Hour of Bath") =11? (with the possibility of more)

(Goldsmith scored the 1st episode so we have 3 more episodes possibly scored by Williams, so as to complete 15:
11 (Williams?) + 1 (Goldsmith) + 3 (?))

 
 Posted:   Dec 9, 2012 - 10:13 PM   
 By:   Jeff Eldridge   (Member)

well, according to this here too, there is an episode called "Breakout" (season 1, episode 4), but we don't know if it was scored by Williams or not. (I read afterwards the guide that said that he scored only episodes from 1963 [season 3])

http://ctva.biz/US/Anthology/KraftMysteryTheatre.htm



As I mentioned above, "Breakout" didn't air during the third season, which was the one season Williams worked on. And, as mentioned in the episode guide at the link you provided, the 1961 episodes were edited down from UK theatrical features, so they (including BREAKOUT, which was released in the UK in March 1959) weren't scored by Williams.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 10, 2012 - 2:49 AM   
 By:   KonstantinosZ   (Member)

Ok, thanks, I understood that..

What about the numbers I've given above?
We have 11 (out of 15) confirmed Williams scored episodes then? (including the Alcoa repeats)

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 10, 2012 - 3:47 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

This is extremely interesting, and just proves -- once and for all -- that there's so much to sort out (for the JW fans) here.

 
 Posted:   Dec 10, 2012 - 8:14 AM   
 By:   Jeff Eldridge   (Member)

What about the numbers I've given above?
We have 11 (out of 15) confirmed Williams scored episodes then? (including the Alcoa repeats)


There were six original episodes of KRAFT MYSTERY THEATRE in 1963. Jerry Goldsmith scored "Shadow of a Man" and Williams scored "Catch Fear by the Throat." I'm fairly confident Williams scored two other episodes, but haven't personally verified this. The final two I don't know about: Williams could have scored them, they could have been scored by other composers, or they could have been tracked.

Of the nine ALCOA PREMIERE repeats, eight have scores by Williams (but it's not fair to count these as KRAFT MYSTERY scores) and the ninth has a score by Pete Rugolo and Morton Stevens.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 10, 2012 - 8:19 AM   
 By:   KonstantinosZ   (Member)


Of the nine ALCOA PREMIERE repeats, eight have scores by Williams (but it's not fair to count these as KRAFT MYSTERY scores) and the ninth has a score by Pete Rugolo and Morton Stevens.


If I may ask, can you tell us please which episode is this?
By the way, in the above link, I counted 8 episodes of 1963 that say that they were original premiered in Alcoa Premiere..
(5-10, 12, 14)
I guess they missed one..

 
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