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 Posted:   Oct 23, 2012 - 8:10 PM   
 By:   Scott Atkins   (Member)

While the movie itself is merely a rehash of the first film (right down to the Christmas eve setting) it's always great to see John McClane back in action. And Kamen pulled off a miraculous feat. He composed a score that is just as good if not better than the first film. I'm really looking forward to experiencing the score in complete form. The original Varese release is missing a ton of great cues. (Add the obligatory yippie kay yay here!)

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 23, 2012 - 9:40 PM   
 By:   Nicholas_DW   (Member)

The first film was almost perfect, and among all the chaos had heart. The second film was needlessly violent and vulgar. Though arguably it had the better score.

My thoughts exactly. People always talk about RoboCop 2 being terribly violent and mean spirited. Well, it's got a counterpart in 1990: Die Hard 2. Though featuring a humorous subtitle, it also lacked the creative spark of the first film (the terrorists turning out to be thieving terrorists). In the second, there weren't any real curveballs thrown at the audience. The bit with the turncoat Army guys was as close as we got and it wasn't all that clever.

 
 Posted:   Oct 23, 2012 - 11:00 PM   
 By:   Gold Digger   (Member)

Magnificent release! Thank you very much indeed. Love the ejector seat sequence.

 
 Posted:   Oct 23, 2012 - 11:14 PM   
 By:   Neil S. Bulk   (Member)

In the second, there weren't any real curveballs thrown at the audience. The bit with the turncoat Army guys was as close as we got and it wasn't all that clever.

It was to this then 13 year old filmgoer. On that first viewing I didn't catch the difference between the blue and red taped clips. I've been a Die Hard 2 fan ever since.

 
 Posted:   Oct 23, 2012 - 11:40 PM   
 By:   MikeJ   (Member)

This movie had one of the best teaser trailers ever...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iH7S5NHSnI&feature=related

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 24, 2012 - 12:40 AM   
 By:   CindyLover   (Member)

Though featuring a humorous subtitle

Which doesn't actually appear on the film itself...

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 24, 2012 - 4:39 AM   
 By:   Kevin Costigan   (Member)

The first film was almost perfect, and among all the chaos had heart. The second film was needlessly violent and vulgar. Though arguably it had the better score.

My thoughts exactly. People always talk about RoboCop 2 being terribly violent and mean spirited. Well, it's got a counterpart in 1990: Die Hard 2. Though featuring a humorous subtitle, it also lacked the creative spark of the first film (the terrorists turning out to be thieving terrorists). In the second, there weren't any real curveballs thrown at the audience. The bit with the turncoat Army guys was as close as we got and it wasn't all that clever.


Robo 2 and DH2 can't touch the gratuitous violence of Total Recall. Come on, human shield on the escalator???

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 24, 2012 - 4:42 AM   
 By:   Kevin Costigan   (Member)

am i the only one who thinks this is a better film than DIE HARD?


Yup


Maybe not a better film, but a much better score than the first one. You can thank Don Davis's (and other names which escape me for now) orchestrations for that.

 
 Posted:   Oct 24, 2012 - 11:53 AM   
 By:   Death Incarnate   (Member)

Oh. My. God.
YES!!!

 
 Posted:   Oct 24, 2012 - 11:54 AM   
 By:   Mr Drive   (Member)

Not really low, but a quantity 'alert'... fewer than 1000 @ Varese.

 
 Posted:   Oct 24, 2012 - 12:36 PM   
 By:   Neil S. Bulk   (Member)

This movie had one of the best teaser trailers ever...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iH7S5NHSnI&feature=related


That teaser is fantastic! I remember seeing it in the theater. It never clicked with me, until I watched it again recently, that the footage of Bruce Willis was shot specifically for the teaser! Also, there seems to be a sense of humor about it. It's really well done.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 24, 2012 - 12:49 PM   
 By:   Smitty   (Member)

This movie had one of the best teaser trailers ever...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iH7S5NHSnI&feature=related


That teaser is fantastic! I remember seeing it in the theater. It never clicked with me, until I watched it again recently, that the footage of Bruce Willis was shot specifically for the teaser! Also, there seems to be a sense of humor about it. It's really well done.


You know, one of these album releases has got to eventually include that loveable music used for a number of late 80s/early 90s action film trailers.

 
 Posted:   Oct 24, 2012 - 12:56 PM   
 By:   Neil S. Bulk   (Member)

Robo 2 and DH2 can't touch the gratuitous violence of Total Recall. Come on, human shield on the escalator???

I'm not sure you can really compare them. While I'm the rare person who likes all three movies, Total Recall clearly stands above the rest as being made by an intelligent film maker who has more to say than just having gratuitous violence on screen. Total Recall, despite looking like a big, brawny Schwarzenegger vehicle on the surface, has more to say than the others. The violence in that is just cartoon, window dressing, much like his RoboCop film. RoboCop 2 seems to have missed that point.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 24, 2012 - 8:45 PM   
 By:   xG-MONEYx   (Member)

Not really low, but a quantity 'alert'... fewer than 1000 @ Varese.

NOW- Fewer than 900 copies remaining!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 
 Posted:   Oct 25, 2012 - 12:38 AM   
 By:   Mr Drive   (Member)

Hurry!!!!

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 25, 2012 - 1:38 AM   
 By:   Nicholas_DW   (Member)

Robo 2 and DH2 can't touch the gratuitous violence of Total Recall. Come on, human shield on the escalator???

I'm not sure you can really compare them. While I'm the rare person who likes all three movies, Total Recall clearly stands above the rest as being made by an intelligent film maker who has more to say than just having gratuitous violence on screen. Total Recall, despite looking like a big, brawny Schwarzenegger vehicle on the surface, has more to say than the others. The violence in that is just cartoon, window dressing, much like his RoboCop film. RoboCop 2 seems to have missed that point.


You beat me to it! I don't particularly enjoy Total Recall, but it's definitely not "about" the violence as much as Die Hard 2 and RoboCop 2 are. Perhaps because the latter two seem to glorify the violence, in a game of one-upsmanship, in an attempt to make the audience go: Wow! That was awesome! (The icicle scene in Die Hard 2, anyone?)

In the second, there weren't any real curveballs thrown at the audience. The bit with the turncoat Army guys was as close as we got and it wasn't all that clever.

It was to this then 13 year old filmgoer. On that first viewing I didn't catch the difference between the blue and red taped clips. I've been a Die Hard 2 fan ever since.

No offense, but 13 isn't the most discerning age. I was much more easily affected at 13 and now many of the things I loved at that point don't scratch the surface of interesting or even entertaining storytelling. The Die Hard 2 'twist' feels like a forced attempt to do what the first did, but it blows up on the launchpad.

Naturally, this is all relative. We're discussing art after all.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 25, 2012 - 4:59 AM   
 By:   Kevin Costigan   (Member)

[No offense, but 13 isn't the most discerning age. I was much more easily affected at 13 and now many of the things I loved at that point don't scratch the surface of interesting or even entertaining storytelling. The Die Hard 2 'twist' feels like a forced attempt to do what the first did, but it blows up on the launchpad.

Naturally, this is all relative. We're discussing art after all.


I connect with what you're saying. Just revisited Die Hard 2 after many years and I do find it mean spirited and a rather boring movie. The year this came out and the friend I bonded with over this movie still have potent memories behind it (not to mention the 22 years obsession/longing for unreleased music) still have meaning foe me, but after rewatching the movie again it's like a partner you have nothing to say or relate to anymore. I feel that way with many of the movies I grew up with. Used to love Cliffhanger. The violence never bothered me, but have found myself really turned off by the gratuitiveness of it, like with DH2. Cant watch many of the movies now that i once enjoyed. Goes to show that the undiscerning youth truly are living the most fun and care free years of their lives.

 
 Posted:   Oct 25, 2012 - 5:14 AM   
 By:   Scott M (Oldsmith)   (Member)


Maybe not a better film, but a much better score than the first one. You can thank Don Davis's (and other names which escape me for now) orchestrations for that.


Here's a funny thing for me: I find the score to the second film to be more interesting thanks to the increase of action material (the first film had more of a creeping around caper feel), but I find the performance to be more shrill and loud (not just because it has more action). It's like the Back to the Future II score: even the repeated material is more in your face and "sharp." Ugh, I'm so bad that describing music...

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 25, 2012 - 6:16 AM   
 By:   Marcato   (Member)


Maybe not a better film, but a much better score than the first one. You can thank Don Davis's (and other names which escape me for now) orchestrations for that.





orchestration has nothing to do with it and if ever all it has is to add cue notes to some instruments

 
 Posted:   Oct 25, 2012 - 6:47 AM   
 By:   Scott M (Oldsmith)   (Member)

Magnificent release! Thank you very much indeed. Love the ejector seat sequence.

I remember thinking "damn, those are some LONG fuses on the grenades." Even back then I knew the first should have gone off long before the last was even tossed into the cockpit. That's "movie time" for you. :-)

Love this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DuQP4d_r_Gs

Go to 3:33 and try not to laugh.

 
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