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 Posted:   Apr 20, 2013 - 2:33 PM   
 By:   JohnnyG   (Member)

I do not hate Zimmer at all. I do believe he is a fantastic composer, able to do legendary work.

But I don´t like and despise his factory work, basically plastering the market for blockbuster action during the last two decades.

I also have the feeling that he is rarely trying hard enough these days, as if he´s content giving the sonic wallpaper that one expects from him.

That´s why I was so pleasantly surprised that the score snippet from the MAN OF STEEL trailer sounded different from his usual stuff. I´m looking forward to this score and (as always) hoping for Zimmer to get back to his earlier top form.

(REGARDING HENRY, PACIFIC HEIGHTS and BACKDRAFT are my favorite Zimmer scores, and I do like his DARK KNIGHT-trilogy (although there he seems to have been inspired by James Newton Howard to do something better than usual).)



Now, sir, that's a calm and composed view!

(Although I would certainly avoid the use of the words 'fantastic' and 'legendary' to describe his work and I sadly don't really believe we'll ever see him again reaching the quality that some of his scores had 20+ years ago...)


Whether you like the score or not, it's hard not to admit that Crimson Tide is a legendary score.



Yes, but it's legendary for its influence on modern film music - however effective it is in the movie, as a work of art you could never put this alongside true legendary scores by Goldsmith, Williams and so many other masters.

 
 Posted:   Apr 20, 2013 - 2:35 PM   
 By:   Peter Atterberg   (Member)

Whether you like the score or not, it's hard not to admit that Crimson Tide is a legendary score.

Crimson Tide, legendary???


Okay I understand YOR has saved the world on many occasions and knows more than the average hunter from the future, but can't YOR at least give credit to Crimson Tide?

In all seriousness, Crimson Tide is one of my all time favorite scores and whenever I see it brought up, I have to say it. As for Man of Steel, I'm really anxious to see what Zimmer comes up with!

 
 Posted:   Apr 20, 2013 - 2:38 PM   
 By:   Peter Atterberg   (Member)




Yes, but it's legendary for its influence on modern film music - however effective it is in the movie, as a work of art you could never put this alongside true legendary scores by Goldsmith, Williams and so many other masters.


I'm gonna have to disagree. I think you could put it along side legendary scores. It worked very well in the movie and still works as a separate listening experience. I think the movie helped push Zimmer's career along even further.

 
 Posted:   Apr 20, 2013 - 2:39 PM   
 By:   YOR The Hunter From The Future   (Member)

Sorry, strange looking logo, but all Hazimmer scores are ugly.

YOR cannot stand any of it.

But, well, YOR has superior intelect, so...

 
 Posted:   Apr 20, 2013 - 2:52 PM   
 By:   JohnnyG   (Member)




Yes, but it's legendary for its influence on modern film music - however effective it is in the movie, as a work of art you could never put this alongside true legendary scores by Goldsmith, Williams and so many other masters.


I'm gonna have to disagree. I think you could put it along side legendary scores. It worked very well in the movie and still works as a separate listening experience. I think the movie helped push Zimmer's career along even further.



Yes, it worked in the movie. Yes, it works as a listening experience. Yes, it helped push Zimmer's career along. But to put CT alongside, let's say, "Planet of the Apes" or "Jaws"??

But, OK, we're not here to agree on everything...

 
 Posted:   Apr 20, 2013 - 3:20 PM   
 By:   Khan   (Member)


Yes, but it's legendary for its influence on modern film music - however effective it is in the movie, as a work of art you could never put this alongside true legendary scores by Goldsmith, Williams and so many other masters.


Yeah, I was going with legendary due to its influence more than anything else with my comment.

 
 Posted:   Apr 20, 2013 - 4:54 PM   
 By:   YOR The Hunter From The Future   (Member)

YOR agrees with fake Kahn.

Almost all scores were influenced in a very bad way thanks to Zimmer's wall-of-sounds...

 
 Posted:   Apr 20, 2013 - 5:57 PM   
 By:   Khan   (Member)

YOR agrees with fake Kahn.

Almost all scores were influenced in a very bad way thanks to Zimmer's wall-of-sounds...


Give it a fucking rest already.

I really enjoy Crimson Tide, both in the film and on CD. I also recognize that it isn't the same level, on a compositional level or musically, as some of the greats by Goldsmith and Williams. But that doesn't make Crimson Tide bad. Not at all. It just means I'm able to appreciate all different types of film music, unlike you.

 
 Posted:   Apr 20, 2013 - 6:05 PM   
 By:   YOR The Hunter From The Future   (Member)

Give it a fucking rest already.

Kahn, I am laughing at your "superior intelect!"

 
 Posted:   Apr 20, 2013 - 6:12 PM   
 By:   Khan   (Member)

Ironic troll is ironic.

 
 Posted:   Apr 20, 2013 - 7:12 PM   
 By:   YOR The Hunter From The Future   (Member)

The only thing YOR remebers about Crimson Tide is that it sounded like Hunt For Red October if it was composed by a hack.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 20, 2013 - 10:35 PM   
 By:   Mikal   (Member)

Ironic troll is ironic.

Just block the git. I added him to my ignore list nearly a year ago, and though I still see some of the text from his posts via those who quote him, I haven't regretted the decision.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 20, 2013 - 10:57 PM   
 By:   BrendonKelly   (Member)

The only thing YOR remebers about Crimson Tide is that it sounded like Hunt For Red October if it was composed by a hack.

Nothing like each other. Oh yes, they both use an orchestra, choir and electronics.....and they both excellent scores.

I am not HZ's biggest fan but recognise he has done some great stuff. Very much looking forward to Man of Steel....even though JW's Superman is my fave score of all time!

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 20, 2013 - 11:23 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

I am not HZ's biggest fan but recognise he has done some great stuff. Very much looking forward to Man of Steel....even though JW's Superman is my fave score of all time!


It makes me wonder which of the two scores will be remembered 100 years from now. Or 1000. JW's or HZ's? (Personally, I doubt HZ himself will be remembered very much... sorry guys!)

Only one who know is YOR. He been there. big grin

 
 Posted:   Apr 21, 2013 - 12:58 AM   
 By:   Peter Atterberg   (Member)



Yes, it worked in the movie. Yes, it works as a listening experience. Yes, it helped push Zimmer's career along. But to put CT alongside, let's say, "Planet of the Apes" or "Jaws"??

But, OK, we're not here to agree on everything...


It's just my personal taste because I love scores like Crimson Tide, The Rock, Broken Arrow, etc. I write to them all the time and I've built a big connection with them.

Where as stuff like POTA or JAWS aren't real big on me.

 
 Posted:   Apr 21, 2013 - 5:04 AM   
 By:   First Breath   (Member)

Ironic troll is ironic.

Just block the git. I added him to my ignore list nearly a year ago, and though I still see some of the text from his posts via those who quote him, I haven't regretted the decision.


I just blocked him. What an incredible relief! He's actually the only one on my ignore list.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 21, 2013 - 7:10 AM   
 By:   Mike West   (Member)

First I was a bit diasppointed by the music in the trailer, then I tried to take it as given.
I like that chords in the last part, C major, Aflat major, F, with that motiv in the brass and the drum fill-ins and came to like the overall feel of the trailer.
After seeing the trailer with only the music in it (somewhere on youtube) I have to say those music in the first half after the piano theme is incredibly dull anx insubstantial, uninspired and uninspiring...

 
 Posted:   Apr 21, 2013 - 8:02 AM   
 By:   Khan   (Member)

Ironic troll is ironic.

Just block the git. I added him to my ignore list nearly a year ago, and though I still see some of the text from his posts via those who quote him, I haven't regretted the decision.


Yeah, I finally caved and did it. So very refreshing indeed.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 25, 2013 - 8:54 AM   
 By:   stay-puft   (Member)



this is a snippet from a mos app. Most likely from the official score

Attention: Horrible sound quality

 
 Posted:   Apr 25, 2013 - 9:03 AM   
 By:   Stephen Woolston   (Member)

At the risk of asking a dumb question ...

What's the difference between the two editions?

I'll want to see the film before I buy. Sometimes, I like Zimmer. A lot of the time, I don't.

 
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