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 Posted:   Jul 31, 2013 - 4:49 PM   
 By:   Timmer   (Member)

You do realize, Timmer, I was praising Scott just to make a point? Of course you do. Scott would be the first to admit his debt to Ravel. Daphnis et Chloe is one of my all time favorite works. There are not many scores I would rather listen to than the complete ballet.

But cribbing from the masters, really? I would call it honoring the tradition. smile


Okay, I'm happy with that! cool

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 1, 2013 - 1:48 AM   
 By:   Kari Tuhkanen   (Member)

cool

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 1, 2013 - 2:04 AM   
 By:   eggerty31   (Member)

Barry, Scott, or Howard. That's a tough one since they all are excellent and completely different.

Based entirely on the listening experience of the CD I would say it would have to be

1 Howard
2 Barry
= Scott

But they are all different and all brilliant in their own way.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 1, 2013 - 3:45 AM   
 By:   Kim Tong   (Member)

Steiner
Scott
Barry

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 1, 2013 - 4:05 AM   
 By:   Timmer   (Member)

You do realize, Timmer, I was praising Scott just to make a point? Of course you do. Scott would be the first to admit his debt to Ravel. Daphnis et Chloe is one of my all time favorite works. There are not many scores I would rather listen to than the complete ballet.

But cribbing from the masters, really? I would call it honoring the tradition. smile


Yea, "cribbing" this is not. He's using the same TECHNIQUE Ravel employed, a technique that was also used way previously in works like Strauss' ALPINE SYMPHONY...

Y'all gots ta learn to do ya homework!


No Bobby boy, you do your homework, Ravel's Daphnis Et Chloe pre-dates Strauss Alpine Symphony by a few years.

Now do pay attention eh old chap wink

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 1, 2013 - 5:48 AM   
 By:   bobbengan   (Member)

No Bobby boy, you do your homework, Ravel's Daphnis Et Chloe pre-dates Strauss Alpine Symphony by a few years.

Now do pay attention eh old chap wink


You win Timmer! For now...

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 1, 2013 - 6:00 AM   
 By:   Kari Tuhkanen   (Member)

They are from the same time period, my favorite in classical music. Daphnis et Chloe was completed in 1912, while An Alpine Symphony in 1915. The former belongs roughly to the impressionist movement in music, while the latter represents "the late flowering of German Romanticism", with touches of impressionism. Two great orchestrators at the top of their art. Scott couldn´t be in a better company!

It´s endlessly fascinating to compare the contemporary composers from the 1910´s and how they all approached the music so differently, but always with such magnificence. Sibelius for example, with his profoundly brilliant Fourth Symphony from 1911 (impressionism or expressionism, you can pick). And every film music buff should REALLY listen his Pohjola´s Daughter! It´s positively breathtaking, the adrenaline rush it causes, especially as performed by Paavo Berglund and the Bournemouth Symphony Orchestra; fierce! It compares with Strauss´ energetic Don Juan, but I like it even more with its infectious melodies and changes in tempo. And while you´re in the particular Sibelius mood (his early stuff is, with its vitality and imagination, uncomparable), give a spin to En Saga (irresistible drive), Lemminkäinen Legends and The Wood Nymph as well, you´ll be flabbergasted! Film music at its best! wink

Okay, I digressed from the topic, but anyways, Sibelius rocks! cool

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 1, 2013 - 8:59 AM   
 By:   Timmer   (Member)

No Bobby boy, you do your homework, Ravel's Daphnis Et Chloe pre-dates Strauss Alpine Symphony by a few years.

Now do pay attention eh old chap wink


You win Timmer! For now...


eek

Does that mean I'll have to double-check any "fact" I might post?

You'll get me, I can be a clumsy oaf and am bound to trip sooner or later wink


p.s. Kari, I believe we've had Sibelius threads on this board before, he's a very highly respected composer around these parts, at least by people who venture away from film scores and I agree with what you said 100%

I'm also a fan of two other Finnish musicians, multi-instrumentalist and composer Pekka Pohjola and contemporary classical composer Einojuhani Rautavaara whose works I find truly awesome.

 
 Posted:   Aug 1, 2013 - 9:09 AM   
 By:   OnlyGoodMusic   (Member)

I'll include the scores for Mighty Joe Young ... - and what about the Japanese giant apes?

1. Steiner
2. Webb
3. Howard
4. Scott
5. Horner
...
...
457. Barry

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 1, 2013 - 9:18 AM   
 By:   Timmer   (Member)

I'll include the scores for Mighty Joe Young ... - and what about the Japanese giant apes?

1. Steiner
2. Webb
3. Howard
4. Scott
5. Horner
...
...
457. Barry


So, I'm guessing Barry is at the bottom of your list, Hmmmmmmm? So who are the 451 other composers of the 457 giant ape movies made? eh?, smart-ass. razz

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 1, 2013 - 12:33 PM   
 By:   Kari Tuhkanen   (Member)

I used to listen to Rautavaara quite a lot in the past, Timmer. A truly unique composer with a distinct voice. His Cantus Arcticus is mysteriously beautiful.

Väinö Raitio is one Finnish composer you really should get to know. I can´t recommend highly enough his early 1920´s great works Fantasia poetica, Fantasia estatica, Kuutamo Jupiterissa (A Moonlight at Jupiter; I swear I can here traces of Williams there, TESB to be exact) and Joutsenet (The Swans). Fascinating orchestral sounds with expressionistic and impressionistic overtones. Scriabin´s Le Poème de l'Extase would perhaps be the closest to describe this remarkable music. Hints of Debussy, Strauss perhaps. Raitio tried to take distance to the all-consuming influence of Sibelius in Finnish music life in the 20´s and he mostly succeeded. This composer is second only to me of all great Finnish composers (Rautavaara himself speaks highly of him).

Okay, I digressed again. Maybe I should start another thread. smile

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 1, 2013 - 12:55 PM   
 By:   Timmer   (Member)

Thanks for the recommendation Kari, I don't think I've ever heard that name but I will be seeking him out for a listen.

Much appreciated.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 1, 2013 - 2:18 PM   
 By:   Loverozsa   (Member)

Steiner, definitely. The Barry score, in comparison, is trashy at best.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 1, 2013 - 2:46 PM   
 By:   Charlie Chan   (Member)

Hello Folks

It would have to be between Steiner and Barry for me. Have not heard any of Scott's music in this regard. Looking forward to it if this thread is anything to go by.

Steiner's score has to rank as one of the finest ever in any genre. Barry's has to be one of the most sensuous/romantic ever. No comparison between the two. Who is the best between Gene Kelly and Fred Astaire?

Does anyone know anything about the Sherman Brothers - yes the Sherman Brothers of Mary Poppins/Jungle Book fame - score for an animated version of the big ape story?

Regards

CC

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 1, 2013 - 4:57 PM   
 By:   dan the man   (Member)

TO CHARLIE CHAN- Like your line of thinking, both are fine for different yet at times common reasons.Like so many times in life when 2 or more things are great.

 
 Posted:   Aug 1, 2013 - 5:22 PM   
 By:   Zoragoth   (Member)



Väinö Raitio is one Finnish composer you really should get to know.


Has nothing to do with Kong, but this (American) Finn thanks you too! Had not heard of Raitio.

Love Rautavaara's opera RASPUTIN, too....

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 1, 2013 - 5:52 PM   
 By:   Morricone   (Member)

Wow! When I left this thread I had no doubt Barry was going to win the day pulling way ahead of even my favorite Max Steiner. But now I see Max has slowly won the prize which is cool because the more I hear each rendition (including the original which I saw in a beautful restoration at the Academy a couple weeks ago) the more I discover in it. Few scores hit me that way.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 2, 2013 - 2:48 AM   
 By:   Kari Tuhkanen   (Member)



Väinö Raitio is one Finnish composer you really should get to know.


Has nothing to do with Kong, but this (American) Finn thanks you too! Had not heard of Raitio.

Love Rautavaara's opera RASPUTIN, too....


Thanks. Raitio has been recorded criminally little. Amazon UK has two CDs available and only one of them contains some of his major works.

Kuinka suomi sujuu? wink

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 2, 2013 - 3:19 AM   
 By:   Kari Tuhkanen   (Member)

Wow! When I left this thread I had no doubt Barry was going to win the day pulling way ahead of even my favorite Steiner. But now I see Max has slowly won the prize which is cool because the more I hear each rendition (including the original which I saw in a beautful restoration at the Academy a couple weeks ago) the more I discover in it. Few scores hit me that way.

I have the same kind of feelings. It has something really primal about it (both the film and the music) which is fascinating beyond measure. Has to do something about our ancient past in the jungles from where we evolved. wink It´s at times bone-chilling and eerie stuff and at the same time irresistibly compelling; you just have to come back to it again and again. 80 years now! I first saw the film from TV as eight year old rascal in the 70´s and I never forget that first viewing. My parents told me I fought with the Kong, but of that I don´t have any recollections. Ever since I´ve had nightmares about dinosaurs and giant apes!

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 2, 2013 - 3:52 AM   
 By:   Timmer   (Member)

I'm well aware of it's historical significance but Steiner's score does very little for me, it's not that I don't like it and there are a number of Steiner scores I love but this is not one of them, it's just never touched me in any way.

I guess I'm a philistine.

 
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