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 Posted:   Oct 15, 2013 - 10:28 AM   
 By:   haineshisway   (Member)

How about genre.
Do the the Golden Age scores feature days of old, with knights, pirates or similar historical characters?


Nope.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 15, 2013 - 10:30 AM   
 By:   haineshisway   (Member)

Let's see what we've established now:

1- Two releases.....One Golden Age, One Silver Age

2- Four Scores Involved, None Ever Released Before.

3- 3 Composers Involved, One disc has 2 scores by one composer, the other disc has two scores by two different composers.

4- Total of 3 Composers, only one is new to Kritzerland.

5- The composers are not: AMFITHEATROF, ARNOLD, AURIC, BERNSTEIN, DUNING, FRIEDHOFER, GARVARENTZ, HOLLANDER, KAPLAN, LAI, LAVAGNINO, MOCKRIDGE, MURRAY, NEWMAN, RAKSIN, WAXMAN, YOUNG.....



Might one of the Silver Age scores be Kaper's A FLEA IN HER EAR?

Might one of the Silver Age scores be Riddle's WHAT A WAY TO GO?

Might one of the Silver Age scores be Previn's GOODBYE, CHARLIE?

Could other composer possibilities be Skinner, Salter, Buttolph, Harline, Deutsch, Van Cleave, Baxter, Lionel Newman, Sawtell, Michelet, Faith, Mandel.....

Could we be getting BAREFOOT IN THE PARK and/or THE ODD COUPLE?

Are the Golden Age scores earlier than 1950?


All no - BUT, sorry only one composer is new to Kritzerland -

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 15, 2013 - 10:31 AM   
 By:   haineshisway   (Member)

Is Grusin or Shire involved in the Silver Age release?

As an aside, the rest of the big studios need to open up their vaults to the Kritzerland label. There are so many lesser known Silver Age scores that I want to see released, but don't expect any other label to even consider.


Maybe.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 15, 2013 - 10:46 AM   
 By:   haineshisway   (Member)

How about some Maurice Jarre or Georges Delerue? It's been far too long since their last releases on Kritz.

I agree, and while we've got something coming from one of them it's not these two releases.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 15, 2013 - 11:15 AM   
 By:   manderley   (Member)

.....Ah Manderley, first you tried to confuse me on The Miracle topic Men in War/God's Little Acre LPs......

Now, #2 ..... Four scores never before released!

Then, you are guessing: A Flea in Her Ear, What a Way to Go, Goodbye Charlie, Barefoot in the Park and The Odd Couple! ALL were issued on LPs!.....



Yes, of course I know that PFK! smile

But I've discovered that the intricacies of this game are that you must often read between the lines and phrase your questions as precisely as possible, repeating things in different ways so as to completely eliminate them.

So.....while the LPs I mentioned were released previously they were NEVER on CD, and at least one is a re-recording and not the full original soundtrack recording, so that's never been released, although it has. smile

My questions were primarily aimed at eliminating those particular titles rather than guessing them (and perhaps eliciting an offhand composer reference by accident). smile

It DID positively eliminate those titles, and my new added list of composers was eliminated, too, which really, really narrows our Golden Age possibles quite a bit.

We haven't eliminated Herrmann, Rozsa, Steiner, or Tiomkin, among major Golden Age composers. Is there anything left unreleased of any of these which Bruce might have access to with the companies he works with at this moment. I wonder if he has possibly made inroads into Warners/Turner/MGM or Columbia or Universal---and the Golden Age titles might actually be from any of those studios rather than our usual suspects of Paramount, Fox, or MGM/UA. Or, could the Golden Age titles be from the Republic Pictures library at BYU by way of his deal with Paramount???

The mysterious scores are probably more obvious than I've put forward, but it's nice to ponder the possibilities of candidates for future releases in our search for the titles to the current ones.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 15, 2013 - 11:32 AM   
 By:   haineshisway   (Member)

.....Ah Manderley, first you tried to confuse me on The Miracle topic Men in War/God's Little Acre LPs......

Now, #2 ..... Four scores never before released!

Then, you are guessing: A Flea in Her Ear, What a Way to Go, Goodbye Charlie, Barefoot in the Park and The Odd Couple! ALL were issued on LPs!.....



Yes, of course I know that PFK! smile

But I've discovered that the intricacies of this game are that you must often read between the lines and phrase your questions as precisely as possible, repeating things in different ways so as to completely eliminate them.

So.....while the LPs I mentioned were released previously they were NEVER on CD, and at least one is a re-recording and not the full original soundtrack recording, so that's never been released, although it has. smile

My questions were primarily aimed at eliminating those particular titles rather than guessing them (and perhaps eliciting an offhand composer reference by accident). smile

It DID positively eliminate those titles, and my new added list of composers was eliminated, too, which really, really narrows our Golden Age possibles quite a bit.

We haven't eliminated Herrmann, Rozsa, Steiner, or Tiomkin, among major Golden Age composers. Is there anything left unreleased of any of these which Bruce might have access to with the companies he works with at this moment. I wonder if he has possibly made inroads into Warners/Turner/MGM or Columbia or Universal---and the Golden Age titles might actually be from any of those studios rather than our usual suspects of Paramount, Fox, or MGM/UA. Or, could the Golden Age titles be from the Republic Pictures library at BYU by way of his deal with Paramount???

The mysterious scores are probably more obvious than I've put forward, but it's nice to ponder the possibilities of candidates for future releases in our search for the titles to the current ones.


These four scores have never been out in any form before.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 15, 2013 - 11:42 AM   
 By:   Smitty   (Member)

Is Grusin or Shire involved in the Silver Age release?


Maybe.


If it's Grusin and thinking within the purview of studios cooperating with Kritzerland, I would be overjoyed if The Nickel Ride, Halls of Anger, Heaven Can Wait or Mr. Billion is part of the Silver Age release.

However, any unreleased Grusin would probably make me very happy.

 
 Posted:   Oct 15, 2013 - 12:24 PM   
 By:   Maleficio   (Member)

How about some Maurice Jarre or Georges Delerue? It's been far too long since their last releases on Kritz.

I agree, and while we've got something coming from one of them it's not these two releases.


I hope it's the one I really like.

 
 Posted:   Oct 15, 2013 - 12:29 PM   
 By:   JB Fan   (Member)

How about some Maurice Jarre or Georges Delerue? It's been far too long since their last releases on Kritz.

I agree, and while we've got something coming from one of them it's not these two releases.


I hope it's the one I really like.


Don't wait too much - I'm looling for new Barry title from Kritzerland from Until September. And nothing happens from that time wink

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 15, 2013 - 1:20 PM   
 By:   PFK   (Member)

.....Ah Manderley, first you tried to confuse me on The Miracle topic Men in War/God's Little Acre LPs......

Now, #2 ..... Four scores never before released!

Then, you are guessing: A Flea in Her Ear, What a Way to Go, Goodbye Charlie, Barefoot in the Park and The Odd Couple! ALL were issued on LPs!.....



Yes, of course I know that PFK! smile

But I've discovered that the intricacies of this game are that you must often read between the lines and phrase your questions as precisely as possible, repeating things in different ways so as to completely eliminate them.

So.....while the LPs I mentioned were released previously they were NEVER on CD, and at least one is a re-recording and not the full original soundtrack recording, so that's never been released, although it has. smile

My questions were primarily aimed at eliminating those particular titles rather than guessing them (and perhaps eliciting an offhand composer reference by accident). smile

It DID positively eliminate those titles, and my new added list of composers was eliminated, too, which really, really narrows our Golden Age possibles quite a bit.

We haven't eliminated Herrmann, Rozsa, Steiner, or Tiomkin, among major Golden Age composers. Is there anything left unreleased of any of these which Bruce might have access to with the companies he works with at this moment. I wonder if he has possibly made inroads into Warners/Turner/MGM or Columbia or Universal---and the Golden Age titles might actually be from any of those studios rather than our usual suspects of Paramount, Fox, or MGM/UA. Or, could the Golden Age titles be from the Republic Pictures library at BYU by way of his deal with Paramount???

The mysterious scores are probably more obvious than I've put forward, but it's nice to ponder the possibilities of candidates for future releases in our search for the titles to the current ones.




Manderley, I thought you were having another senior moment as you mentioned on The Miracle topic (God's Little Acre/Men in War.) smile

It seems your guesses are too complicated for an old guy like me! smile

In any event Bruce said that all four scores were never issued in any form before.

I sure wish Bruce could break through at WB and issue a few Steiner, Tiomkin, Waxman etc. But he certainly has given us some great Fox and Paramount golden age scores and more to come! smile

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 15, 2013 - 2:19 PM   
 By:   manderley   (Member)

.....In any event Bruce said that all four scores were never issued in any form before.....

Yes....he did JUST say that. But awhile back, before that clarification, he said.....

"None of the four scores involved have ever been released before".....


NOW he has said that all four scores were never issued in ANY FORM before. That should, of course, mean that none of these scores had ever been heard on the soundtrack that runs along the side of the 35mm print---another recorded FORM! smile smile smile smile

But it doesn't.

These record producers are devilishly clever at giving out clues. You have to read them very carefully and parse those words with equal care. It nearly always depends on what the meaning of IS is. smile smile



.....I sure wish Bruce could break through at WB and issue a few Steiner, Tiomkin, Waxman etc. But he certainly has given us some great Fox and Paramount golden age scores and more to come!.....

Yes, indeed he has. I kid Bruce a lot, but he has been absolutely wonderful in tracking down these older scores, investing his time and money in them, and then releasing them for us to enjoy.

Bruce is now a senior like many of us, and while he is no longer quite the hunky guest star stud smile of shows like The Partridge Family, Happy Days or Laverne and Shirley, he has made up for that by gaining even more wisdom and experience in this field of record producing over multi-decades now. His take on mixing or re-mixing the scores is impeccable, and the packaging of his releases is always very appealing.

While I, too, have often hoped he could expand around to the other companies for materials, there is still a lot of worthwhile and untapped material in the ones he does do business with at present. So I'm never worried about finding something to buy from him which interests me.

As the soundtrack business continues to shake out, we are very lucky to have Bruce doing what he does so well, and so thoughtfully.

I should probably drive the few blocks over to his house and leave roses on his doorstep, but my partner would probably find out and divorce me. smile So I'll just have to leave this bouquet of compliments and thanks on this thread for him instead.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 15, 2013 - 2:44 PM   
 By:   CinemaScope   (Member)

As for the golden age, how about Leigh Harline? There's still a handful of 50's Fox scores that have never seen the light of day. I'd love Friedhofer's White Feather one day, but it's nearly 60 years old, so I wouldn't be surprised if the tapes were no more.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 15, 2013 - 2:53 PM   
 By:   manderley   (Member)

As for the golden age, how about Leigh Harline? There's still a handful of 50's Fox scores that have never seen the light of day. I'd love Friedhofer's White Feather one day, but it's nearly 60 years old, so I wouldn't be surprised if the tapes were no more.


I asked about Harline in among the composers I listed in my earlier post this morning.......

....."Could other composer possibilities be Skinner, Salter, Buttolph, Harline, Deutsch, Van Cleave, Baxter, Lionel Newman, Sawtell, Michelet, Faith, Mandel".....



Bruce said NO (and no Friedhofer).

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 15, 2013 - 2:55 PM   
 By:   cody1949   (Member)

Tiomkin did a score at Paramount in 1951 for the film PEKING EXPRESS.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 15, 2013 - 2:56 PM   
 By:   cody1949   (Member)

Tiomkin did a score at Paramount in 1951 for the film PEKING EXPRESS.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 15, 2013 - 3:00 PM   
 By:   cody1949   (Member)

He also did WILD IS THE WIND in 1957.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 15, 2013 - 3:07 PM   
 By:   haineshisway   (Member)

Is Grusin or Shire involved in the Silver Age release?


Maybe.


If it's Grusin and thinking within the purview of studios cooperating with Kritzerland, I would be overjoyed if The Nickel Ride, Halls of Anger, Heaven Can Wait or Mr. Billion is part of the Silver Age release.

However, any unreleased Grusin would probably make me very happy.


Well, Grusin would, of course, be right up Kritzerland's alley and would have me dancing a jig - especially if one of the titles was one in your list. But your list only includes ONE of the titles.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 15, 2013 - 3:08 PM   
 By:   haineshisway   (Member)

As for the golden age, how about Leigh Harline? There's still a handful of 50's Fox scores that have never seen the light of day. I'd love Friedhofer's White Feather one day, but it's nearly 60 years old, so I wouldn't be surprised if the tapes were no more.


I asked about Harline in among the composers I listed in my earlier post this morning.......

....."Could other composer possibilities be Skinner, Salter, Buttolph, Harline, Deutsch, Van Cleave, Baxter, Lionel Newman, Sawtell, Michelet, Faith, Mandel".....



Bruce said NO (and no Friedhofer).


Actually, I didn't notice Harline in the list, so Bruce rescinds his no. smile

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 15, 2013 - 3:37 PM   
 By:   CinemaScope   (Member)

Bruce said NO (and no Friedhofer).

Ha, I might have got it, but I admit it was an accident, as I didn't read the other posts properly.

So that's Grusin, Harline, & one other. When I think of Grusin I always think of, Murder By Death.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 15, 2013 - 3:43 PM   
 By:   PFK   (Member)

.....In any event Bruce said that all four scores were never issued in any form before.....

Yes....he did JUST say that. But awhile back, before that clarification, he said.....

"None of the four scores involved have ever been released before".....


NOW he has said that all four scores were never issued in ANY FORM before. That should, of course, mean that none of these scores had ever been heard on the soundtrack that runs along the side of the 35mm print---another recorded FORM! smile smile smile smile

But it doesn't.

These record producers are devilishly clever at giving out clues. You have to read them very carefully and parse those words with equal care. It nearly always depends on what the meaning of IS is. smile smile



.....I sure wish Bruce could break through at WB and issue a few Steiner, Tiomkin, Waxman etc. But he certainly has given us some great Fox and Paramount golden age scores and more to come!.....

Yes, indeed he has. I kid Bruce a lot, but he has been absolutely wonderful in tracking down these older scores, investing his time and money in them, and then releasing them for us to enjoy.

Bruce is now a senior like many of us, and while he is no longer quite the hunky guest star stud smile of shows like The Partridge Family, Happy Days or Laverne and Shirley, he has made up for that by gaining even more wisdom and experience in this field of record producing over multi-decades now. His take on mixing or re-mixing the scores is impeccable, and the packaging of his releases is always very appealing.

While I, too, have often hoped he could expand around to the other companies for materials, there is still a lot of worthwhile and untapped material in the ones he does do business with at present. So I'm never worried about finding something to buy from him which interests me.

As the soundtrack business continues to shake out, we are very lucky to have Bruce doing what he does so well, and so thoughtfully.

I should probably drive the few blocks over to his house and leave roses on his doorstep, but my partner would probably find out and divorce me. smile So I'll just have to leave this bouquet of compliments and thanks on this thread for him instead.




I THINK WE SHOULD SEND BRUCE TO WASHINGTON DC TO CLEAN UP THAT MESS! smile

 
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