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Well, I TRIED!!!
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Rory:
I think it's called " 2001 Alex North CD-R on Demand on Amazon" and I see that it's come back up near the top again on the General Discussions. Tell me your gripe there and I'll try to respond to it.
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I'm a fan of Ridley Scott and I love the Alien series....
However PROMETHEUS was utter shit. Plain and simple. I don't take ANYONE seriously who truely believes this to be the year's BEST...seriously?!?!
I loved every aspect of the film [it is GORGEOUS] but its the story which kills the film.
I personally had high expectations for the film but by no means was my beef with it in regards to it being in the alien universe, the hype, or any of that other non-sense.
I went in expecting a smart and well made movie but instead I got an technological masterpiece that has a D movie screen play.
None of the damn movie makes sense and none of the character's act with any logic. Every 15 mins someone was doing something INCREDIBLY stupid all for the sake of a weak story that needs to drive forward.
The “black ooze” which forms the primary threat of Prometheus doesn’t make any sense and doesn't seem to follow anything even vaguely resembling consistent rules: If you drink it, you get sick. If you get a face full of it, it turns you into a contortionist berserker. If some worms fall into it, they’ll turn into face-fuckers and kill you.
If you have sex with someone who has been contaminated, then you’ll have a mystical pregnancy. WHY?!?!?!?!
The result of that mystical pregnancy will also face-fuck and kill you, but this time it’ll work like a facehugger and spawn a proto-xenomorph and never mind ITS ALL THE SAME DNA!!! and yet some how Human DNA and Engenieer DNA [as shown to be exact] creates a first generation xenomorph from exactly what? We were shown in ALIEN and ALIENS they come from eggs right?
If you get infected and then you get decapitated, your head will explode.
I’ve tried my best, but I can’t come up with any explanation for why David chooses to deliberately infect the archaeologist with the “black death”. It accomplishes absolutely nothing and does nothing to advance any of the agendas that David is supposedly pursuing. I mean considering Wyland is in the ship what good is having someone infected?
And can anyone explain how David and Shaw both act so noncholant after she removed a damn alien from her stomach and he almost had her knocked out and kidnapped.
So the aliens want to build a bioweapon to wipe out Earth. Fair enough. They build a facility on an otherwise empty planet because they don’t want to risk the bioweapon contaminating them. Good idea. But then why are they telling primitive cultures on Earth where the bioweapon manufacturing plant is? What is that supposed to be accomplishing?
The film raised some interesting IDEAS I will give it that but unfortunately it creates the MASSIVE mistake of being about questions that have no answers especially since it all deals with creation.
These aren't even nitpicks so much as major parts of the story.
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A sequel... if it gets some serious writers I could certainly be counted to watch.
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To the REAL BJ:
And yet there are many of us here (and elsewhere) who WERE able to get into "Prometheus" and find, sometimes to our surprise, that our affection for it continues to grow. Most art, if you're a restorer or fraud investigator, often can't withstand being put under the microscope, especially by naysayers who never liked it in the first place. I think you need to accept that there are a lot of knowledgeable fans who may have adored Scott's "Alien" (and perhaps some of the sequels) but are still able to get pleasure out of the imperfect "Prometheus." Does it trouble you that not everyone shares your disdain and dismissal of it? Come to my house and see the Blu-ray on the 55-inch TV with the 7.1 surround; look at the nice picture book about the making of the film; listen to some of the music, especially those cues by Harry Gregson-Williams, and maybe, just maybe, you'll begin to accept that despite the disparagement by you and by others, the film wasn't quite the turkey you've convinced yourself that it is. (And I'm someone who hates about 75% of all new movies he sees!)
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Thor: You make my point, that, despite all those who are so passionately opposed to it, many of us still enjoyed it ... and look forward to a sequel or 2 to it!
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I'm a fan of Ridley Scott and I love the Alien series....
It often frustrates me when I read criticism of the type "the film was bad, but the visuals were fine" as if the latter was some secondary 'bonus' thing. When it comes to directors such as Scott, style is EVERYTHING.
well, the last good film Scott directed, AMERICAN GANGSTER, rebuts your thesis, Thor>
bruce
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I think PROMETHEUS is severely underrated and misunderstood as a PROJECT, and I think it will be appreciated more in the future, much like Spielberg's A.I.
wanna bet?
bruce
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Nov 2, 2013 - 2:36 PM
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well, the last good film Scott directed, AMERICAN GANGSTER, rebuts your thesis, Thor>
bruce
Does it? I don't think so. Sure, it has an interesting 'cat-and-mouse'-type story and some good performances by Washington and Crowe, but what sticks in my mind -- at least -- is the way he captures cityscapes. The colours, the saturated image, the 'chaos'. And then he does the same in a more rural setting in the Thailand(?) sequences. I can hardly remember anything from the plot, but the way he captured the gangsterisms through his visuals certainly sticks.
For me, Scott has always been more about IDEAS than storytelling.
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Ahhhhhhhhhhhh ... Spielberg's "A.I." I have such mixed emotions about that film! I liked it enough to buy it on DVD and then Blu-ray, and even bought the soundtrack on CD and then ... hmmm ... forget if it's DVD-A or SACD. For me, it's the final 25 minutes that make the film, and I can watch that part again and again and again. (And yet there are people who like the movie but HATE those last 25 minutes! Go figure.) I get a bit antsy during some of the earlier going, but, overall, it's a better movie than many gave it credit for (just as Spielberg's "War of the Worlds" is also far better than some gave it credit for), and it has a gorgeous John Williams score. And I love the 2 vocal versions of "For Always" on the soundtrack that weren't included in the film itself.
But I like my point about art and how it often can't withstand being put under the microscope, as the fellow above (The REAL BJ) seems determined to do. I enjoy "Prometheus" and refuse to be embarrassed about liking it.
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To the REAL BJ:
And yet there are many of us here (and elsewhere) who WERE able to get into "Prometheus" and find, sometimes to our surprise, that our affection for it continues to grow. Most art, if you're a restorer or fraud investigator, often can't withstand being put under the microscope, especially by naysayers who never liked it in the first place. I think you need to accept that there are a lot of knowledgeable fans who may have adored Scott's "Alien" (and perhaps some of the sequels) but are still able to get pleasure out of the imperfect "Prometheus." Does it trouble you that not everyone shares your disdain and dismissal of it? Come to my house and see the Blu-ray on the 55-inch TV with the 7.1 surround; look at the nice picture book about the making of the film; listen to some of the music, especially those cues by Harry Gregson-Williams, and maybe, just maybe, you'll begin to accept that despite the disparagement by you and by others, the film wasn't quite the turkey you've convinced yourself that it is. (And I'm someone who hates about 75% of all new movies he sees!)
OK, let me clear something up.
I don't mind people who LOVE this film or like THOR who love it but admit the story is weak... I'm perfectly fine with those people and anyone else who can admit that this film is STYLE over SUBSTANCE but when people throw in the word BEST as in compared to other films of the year, I'm sorry but they are wrong.
I know the film has a rather high rating but even the most positive reviews address the story problems.
My problem is how this is seen as INTELLIGENT or A RETURN TO ADULT SCI-FI when it isn't any more intelligent than most horror films.
And no...I'm not putting things under a microscope...I'm talking about MASSIVE plot points. I can forgive those two guys stuck/lost or the crew taking off their helmets or some of the dumb things and honestly many other small details because I understand it is a movie and some things will simply be... but all the things I noted are not things that can be ignored by anyone wanting a well told story or who simply are questioning things based on what the film presents.
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The REAL BJ:
I think I see the problem. Re your "...but when people throw in the word BEST as in compared to other films of the year, I'm sorry but they are wrong." To my knowledge, I've never said that "Prometheus" was the best of anything, just that I grew to like it a lot (after pretty much dismissing it after seeing it the first time). I was taken to task just yesterday for blaming someone for writing things that were mostly posted by someone else. But I still feel that the bashing of "Prometheus" has become an end unto itself and that some of the armchair critics who rip it apart need to step back and allow the movie's fans to enjoy themselves -- I had to finally do that with Terrance Mallick's "Tree of Life" after accepting that however much I hated it, others apparently were entranced by it. And the same goes for you. But, again, I never, to my knowledge, used the word "best" when describing "Prometheus," because I recognize some of its imperfections, although I certainly wasn't unduly troubled by some of the ones you mentioned. (For me, it was screaming at Rapace and Theron to TURN RIGHT to avoid that ship that was about to come down on top of them at the end!) Best of luck to you.
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Nov 2, 2013 - 5:11 PM
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The “black ooze” which forms the primary threat of Prometheus doesn’t make any sense and doesn't seem to follow anything even vaguely resembling consistent rules: If you drink it, you get sick. If you get a face full of it, it turns you into a contortionist berserker. If some worms fall into it, they’ll turn into face-fuckers and kill you.
The black ooze is the 'weapon' that was being created on that site by the engineers and it is the reason why they fled because I believe it got out of control. Because once in contact, it transforms living matter, making it evolve to a killer being; Charlie only had one drop of it, hence his slow transformation as opposed to the worms which were swimming in it and the guy who got it in his face. The black ooze is chemical warfare.
If you have sex with someone who has been contaminated, then you’ll have a mystical pregnancy. WHY?!?!?!?!
Charlie's sperm was infected, so it is feasible to think that his infected sperm would survive whereas before Shaw couldn't become pregnant. The black ooze evolves from sperm into killer squid. I liked that concept as I've always wondered what sex with an infected person would result in.
The result of that mystical pregnancy will also face-fuck and kill you, but this time it’ll work like a facehugger and spawn a proto-xenomorph and never mind ITS ALL THE SAME DNA!!! and yet some how Human DNA and Engenieer DNA [as shown to be exact] creates a first generation xenomorph from exactly what? We were shown in ALIEN and ALIENS they come from eggs right?
The black goo doesn't create one prototype, it creates depending on what it comes in contact with and by doing so creating new species and hybrids, which is what makes it so dangerous in the first place. You saw what one drop could do. The creature in Alien and Aliens is not that proto-xenomorph, though it suggest towards it and the eggs and facehuggers are obviously a later fase in their evolution. And judging by the creatures in Prometheus it's only one option. Don't forget it takes place before the events of Alien. Also don't forget the opening scene, where an engineer's DNA breaks down and basically does the same thing the black goo does, create life! However the black goo is a weapon and creates hostile species that are set on killing life. The Weyland corporation in the later alien movies considers the aliens as 'the perfect weapon' and want to research them for their weapons and arms potential.
I’ve tried my best, but I can’t come up with any explanation for why David chooses to deliberately infect the archaeologist with the “black death”. It accomplishes absolutely nothing and does nothing to advance any of the agendas that David is supposedly pursuing. I mean considering Wyland is in the ship what good is having someone infected?
The android David has little regard for human life (much like Ash in Alien and David predates Ash). I knew when i saw him for the first time he was not to be trusted as before the Bishop android, these androids didn't have a moral or ethics; Which is why I find it odd that all you 'Alien' lovers don't understand David's behavior and actions, when you know what Ash was capable of! David taunts his 'makers', David is fascinated by the black goo and uses Charlie to satisfy his own curiosity. David is at the center of the movie and the theme of Prometheus is rebelling against your creator; David seems more interested in the engineers than he does in the humans, don't forget they treat him like an android and Charlie even says 'we created you because we could', leaving David with little purpose to his existence (other than 'the butler as Scott called him) and he seems to look down on his creators.
So the aliens want to build a bioweapon to wipe out Earth. Fair enough. They build a facility on an otherwise empty planet because they don’t want to risk the bioweapon contaminating them. Good idea. But then why are they telling primitive cultures on Earth where the bioweapon manufacturing plant is? What is that supposed to be accomplishing?
That is the question Shaw poses at the end of the movie, she wants to know why the engineers created them only to want to kill them off. Hopefully the sequel will provide answers!
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The REAL BJ:
I think I see the problem. Re your "...but when people throw in the word BEST as in compared to other films of the year, I'm sorry but they are wrong." To my knowledge, I've never said that "Prometheus" was the best of anything, just that I grew to like it a lot (after pretty much dismissing it after seeing it the first time). I was taken to task just yesterday for blaming someone for writing things that were mostly posted by someone else. But I still feel that the bashing of "Prometheus" has become an end unto itself and that some of the armchair critics who rip it apart need to step back and allow the movie's fans to enjoy themselves -- I had to finally do that with Terrance Mallick's "Tree of Life" after accepting that however much I hated it, others apparently were entranced by it. And the same goes for you. But, again, I never, to my knowledge, used the word "best" when describing "Prometheus," because I recognize some of its imperfections, although I certainly wasn't unduly troubled by some of the ones you mentioned. (For me, it was screaming at Rapace and Theron to TURN RIGHT to avoid that ship that was about to come down on top of them at the end!) Best of luck to you.
That was down right silly LOL!
I don't think you said BEST either and I wasn't saying you were, I just meant the masses in general.
I'm glad it has grown on you...it won't for me especially since I've seen it 4 times and absolutely loved the 3 hour making of.
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