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Dec 10, 2013 - 11:50 AM
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PFK
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Y'know, when I rewind 20 years and there was practically NOTHING coming out — and what did was often an unremastered LP reissue — it's weird to think that we'd be complaining about what's happening today.
Yeah okay, I'm not that moved by this batch myself and, yeah, why not a this and why not a that ... but folks these are golden, abundant times for soundtrackers, not sparse ones.
I'm more inclined to celebrate than mourn the current state of soundtrack releasing even if I have repetitively unfulfilled wants and not all batches are equally exciting.
I tell you, you'll miss it when it's all over.
I agree with your comments Stephen. I think we all agree that the labels have done an amazing job of saving all eras of film music, we all appreciate their great efforts. It will indeed all end, sooner or later, that's the point. If we don't get the golden age scores (and other scores ) in the next few years, then they will be lost forever. It looks like it is now too expensive to rerecord scores for the most part, so that is already gone now.
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Another reason for no Golden Age: they don't sell nearly as well as scores from the 80's.
It appears all releases of music by Alfred Newman have been slow.
Too bad, because he remains a giant in the field.
Producers aren't out there for the fun of it; they need to sell their product.
Much as I loved the 2-CD A CERTAIN SMILE, even I knew it wasn't going to the top of the charts.
I am grateful for all that has been released, things I never in a proverbial million years I thought I'd ever hear on CD. And there are composers whose reputations have been revived, simply because CD's of their work have appeared, like Bronislau Kaper and Leigh Harline, let alone other, less well-known composers.
But there is a ton of stuff still out there, which will now probably never come out, such as most of what's left in the MGM library, especially from the 30's. More of that exists, but it's unlikely there's much of a market for it. I'd love a complete GOOD EARTH, or MARIE ANTOINETTE. Fat chance.
Oh well.
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Dec 10, 2013 - 4:09 PM
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I've made no secret of the fact that my holy grail would be a complete OBSESSION. That score seems to exist in a no-man's land which falls somewhere between The Golden Age and the newer 80's/90's milieu.
I would think that OBSESSION might appeal to devotees of both of those eras.
You know, I'd never even heard of this movie until I just looked it up, and I only looked it up because I keep seeing references to it here. Only here, mind--I've never seen it mentioned anywhere else in any context. I'm pretty sure I've never see it, or if I did, don't remember. I see that the score is by Herrmann. I'm not a Herrmann fan, and I can't help wondering what he did with this score that he hasn't done with a half dozen others he's written for films of a similar type--I mean what he did that causes people to keep referring to this as a holy grail. I'm not saying you shouldn't think of it as such, though I never would; I'm just curious as to why the score to this obscure Hitchcock rip-off, by a composer at the end of his career working in very familiar territory, should be so revered.
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Dec 10, 2013 - 4:32 PM
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I've made no secret of the fact that my holy grail would be a complete OBSESSION. That score seems to exist in a no-man's land which falls somewhere between The Golden Age and the newer 80's/90's milieu.
I would think that OBSESSION might appeal to devotees of both of those eras.
You know, I'd never even heard of this movie until I just looked it up, and I only looked it up because I keep seeing references to it here. Only here, mind--I've never seen it mentioned anywhere else in any context. I'm pretty sure I've never see it, or if I did, don't remember. I see that the score is by Herrmann. I'm not a Herrmann fan, and I can't help wondering what he did with this score that he hasn't done with a half dozen others he's written for films of a similar type--I mean what he did that causes people to keep referring to this as a holy grail. I'm not saying you shouldn't think of it as such, though I never would; I'm just curious as to why the score to this obscure Hitchcock rip-off, by a composer at the end of his career working in very familiar territory, should be so revered.
I'm a Herrmann fan & have the CD of the album, but I can't warm to this score. To my ears it doesn't sound like Herrmann, it sounds like another composer trying to sound like Herrmann, but the complete score is a big grail to many.
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I get the feeling the new owners of Varese could care less about golden age scores.
Smart ownership - I like them! Thankfully they seem to know what sells best and that clearly isnt scores to movies that were released over half a century ago
The new titles are amazing and I bought the entire batch. Thank you Varese, you've done an outstanding job - please keep these goodies coming!!
"movies that were released over a half a century ago"
With all due respect, reading that just makes me want to vomit on the ground. I'm glad you're firmly ensconced in the decades in which you grew up. I'm equally as happy that when I grew up I had an open mind enough to discover the glories of other eras that were not mine own - and yes there were glories aplenty.
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Dec 10, 2013 - 5:34 PM
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Ray Worley
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I get the feeling the new owners of Varese could care less about golden age scores.
Smart ownership - I like them! Thankfully they seem to know what sells best and that clearly isnt scores to movies that were released over half a century ago
The new titles are amazing and I bought the entire batch. Thank you Varese, you've done an outstanding job - please keep these goodies coming!!
"movies that were released over a half a century ago"
With all due respect, reading that just makes me want to vomit on the ground. I'm glad you're firmly ensconced in the decades in which you grew up. I'm equally as happy that when I grew up I had an open mind enough to discover the glories of other eras that were not mine own - and yes there were glories aplenty.
Right....'cause nothing over 50 years old could possibly be any good. While we're at it...who wants to listen to any of that stuff from 1, 2, 3 centuries ago written by all those boring old guys like Beethoven, Mahler, Bach, etc.?
It makes me want to weep how some folks are so firmly entrenched in their little, blinkered comfort zone. Monteverdi wrote some exciting, marvelous music 4 centuries ago and Daft Punk is doing cool stuff in the 2010s. There's amazing music spread throughout that timeline...saying you only care about the 80s & 90s is stupidly self-limiting. 
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Yeah, a pretty obnoxious thing to say I agree.
However, I don't really care if Varese fails to release stuff, as long as they aren't tying it up with rights they hold. Between you, Intrada, LLL, Quartet, Music Box, and a few other labels, I think a lot of great stuff keeps getting put out that we don't need to depend on Varese for it.
I for one would prefer Varese to concentrate on releasing complete versions of all those (usually half-hour) titles they hold in perpetuity...which admittedly is skewed heavily towards 90s-onward but also includes many things they released in the 90s for past films, ie. Goldsmith's wonderful The Other (or the two Flint scores). I would probably buy a remastering of Newman's Song of Bernadette done with modern technology (and including anything they may have left off) -- THAT is the kind of Golden Age title I hope they put out. If they leave other stuff for you or Intrada or LLL...that's fine by me.
Like the other poster I DO worry about Golden Age stuff from the Warner Bros. or MGM vaults which since the demise of FSM doesn't seem to be coming out much any more, and most that do come out are high profile titles like North by Northwest. Will we ever get a Kaper Vol. 2 set, for example? I really hope all that stuff doesn't remain abandoned without FSM in the picture as a label.
Yavar
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Dec 10, 2013 - 5:42 PM
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I've made no secret of the fact that my holy grail would be a complete OBSESSION. That score seems to exist in a no-man's land which falls somewhere between The Golden Age and the newer 80's/90's milieu.
I would think that OBSESSION might appeal to devotees of both of those eras.
You know, I'd never even heard of this movie until I just looked it up, and I only looked it up because I keep seeing references to it here. Only here, mind--I've never seen it mentioned anywhere else in any context. I'm pretty sure I've never see it, or if I did, don't remember. I see that the score is by Herrmann. I'm not a Herrmann fan, and I can't help wondering what he did with this score that he hasn't done with a half dozen others he's written for films of a similar type--I mean what he did that causes people to keep referring to this as a holy grail. I'm not saying you shouldn't think of it as such, though I never would; I'm just curious as to why the score to this obscure Hitchcock rip-off, by a composer at the end of his career working in very familiar territory, should be so revered.
I'm a Herrmann fan & have the CD of the album, but I can't warm to this score. To my ears it doesn't sound like Herrmann, it sounds like another composer trying to sound like Herrmann, but the complete score is a big grail to many.
I think the ferry sequences in Obsession are as thrilling as any action music Herrmann ever composed. Brilliantly played too.
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In twenty years it will have been over half a century since "Conan the Barbarian". I guess that means we'll have to dismiss it. And after 2025 we can dismiss "Jaws", 'cause you know, that'll be over half a century.
So, anything from 1963 and lower, reaches the 50 year mark.
You know, in twenty or thirty years there will be some user on some kind of internet that dismisses every score a certain user liked, 'cause it will fall under some arbatrary half-century mark. If I am still alive, I will come online and laugh.
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In twenty years it will have been over half a century since "Conan the Barbarian". I guess that means we'll have to dismiss it. And after 2025 we can dismiss "Jaws", 'cause you know, that'll be over half a century.
So, anything from 1963 and lower, reaches the 50 year mark.
You know, in twenty or thirty years there will be some user on some kind of internet that dismisses every score a certain user liked, 'cause it will fall under some arbatrary half-century mark. If I am still alive, I will come online and laugh.
Bingo.
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