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 Posted:   Dec 9, 2014 - 11:22 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

I love reading how films are made, especially special effects before the CGI days. Today it's simply a software solution. BORING! Back then it was more an inventor mentality in how to accomplish an effect. Every tool and trade was at ones disposal.

It's amazing the film came out as good as it did considering how many ppl had their hands on it. And who would have thought the effects ppl would actually tighten up the story and script and make it better?! I usually see them as over indulging.

OT: @ Ado- What Stormtroppers had skirts? Do you mean the Snowtroppers from Empire? My reasoning was the skirts are used to keep the snow off the armor thus making them much easier to clean and maintain between missions.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 9, 2014 - 11:27 AM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

I love reading how films are made, especially special effects before the CGI days. Today it's simply a software solution. BORING! Back then it was more an inventor mentality in how to accomplish an effect. Every tool and trade was at ones disposal.

It's amazing the film came out as good as it did considering how many ppl had their hands on it. And who would have thought the effects ppl would actually tighten up the story and script and make it better?! I usually see them as over indulging.

OT: @ Ado- What Stormtroppers had skirts? Do you mean the Snowtroppers from Empire? My reasoning was the skirts are used to keep the snow off the armor thus making them much easier to clean and maintain between missions.


I agree on the practical effects, it is much more interesting.

Yeah, snow-skirts, although I think I saw them in Rebels too recently.
I would have been kicked out of the troopers because I would refuse to wear the snow-skirt.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 9, 2014 - 11:43 AM   
 By:   Midnight Mike   (Member)

I picked the book up on Saturday at Creature Features, I live near by so I thought "Hmm...I'll just go over and take a chance and see if the book has arrived." It had! And Preston was there too, and he graciously signed my copy.

I started by just flipping through it, it's very engaging, no matter what page I stopped on, I was completely engrossed immediately, like coming across a great movie on TV while flipping channels, you can't stop watching it. Well I couldn't stop reading, I wanted to know everything there was to know immediately!

I finally had to force myself to start from the beginning, and oh man, I can't believe the candor of the people being interviewed. You would never hear the people involved with a tent pole movie that was just about to be released today being so candid about the weakness and problems of the film.

I'm only up to page 80 so far, but I'm loving it, I can't put it down. I also can't wait to re-watch the theatrical version when I'm done. I never thought I would ever want to watch that version again after the directors cut came out.

Congratulations Preston! I'm sorry we all had to wait so long to read it, but it is worth it!

Mike

 
 Posted:   Dec 9, 2014 - 12:14 PM   
 By:   other tallguy   (Member)

When they are practical effects - perhaps less so, you might appreciate the hard and tangible work that went into it.

I love reading how films are made, especially special effects before the CGI days. Today it's simply a software solution. BORING! Back then it was more an inventor mentality in how to accomplish an effect. Every tool and trade was at ones disposal.

There's nothing boring about FX then or now. (Or everything is boring, because film making bores you.) It's still creative, it still requires invention, and it's still a s***-ton of very tangible work. It might not be as photogenic for behind the scenes books as Joe Johnston driving his pickup truck past an exploding model of the Death Star trench.

It's funny because back in 1979-ish there were people complaining about all the new-fangled tech that went into Star Wars and Star Trek: The Motion Picture.

Of course I say forget the FX, actually make the damned avalanche.

EDIT: A bit of a rant, and not entirely off topic. Sorry. Oh look, I have a button that's just been pushed!

 
 Posted:   Dec 9, 2014 - 12:32 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Oh look, I have a button that's just been pushed!

LOL, we all have our buttons.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 9, 2014 - 12:46 PM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

When they are practical effects - perhaps less so, you might appreciate the hard and tangible work that went into it.

I love reading how films are made, especially special effects before the CGI days. Today it's simply a software solution. BORING! Back then it was more an inventor mentality in how to accomplish an effect. Every tool and trade was at ones disposal.

There's nothing boring about FX then or now. (Or everything is boring, because film making bores you.) It's still creative, it still requires invention, and it's still a s***-ton of very tangible work. It might not be as photogenic for behind the scenes books as Joe Johnston driving his pickup truck past an exploding model of the Death Star trench.

It's funny because back in 1979-ish there were people complaining about all the new-fangled tech that went into Star Wars and Star Trek: The Motion Picture.

Of course I say forget the FX, actually make the damned avalanche.

EDIT: A bit of a rant, and not entirely off topic. Sorry. Oh look, I have a button that's just been pushed!


So let me get this straight, you are saying that I cannot find digital effects boring?
Since you have told me that this is against the law, I have now reconsidered, and I find all discussions of all effects absolutely thrilling.

Not















 
 Posted:   Dec 9, 2014 - 12:57 PM   
 By:   other tallguy   (Member)

So let me get this straight, you are saying that I cannot find digital effects boring?
Since you have told me that this is against the law, I have now reconsidered, and I find all discussions of all effects absolutely thrilling.

Not


Opinions are indeed opinions. I just find "digital" vs. "practical" are not very useful buckets to put things in. "Good" vs. "bad" FX or even "interesting" vs. "boring" are probably more useful.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 9, 2014 - 3:20 PM   
 By:   Preston Neal Jones   (Member)

As my sainted mother used to say to my brother and me:

"Now, now, now! Birdies in their little nest agree . . . "

smile

She also used to quote from Robert Louis Stevenson's "Child's Garden of Verses":

"The world is so full of a number of things
That I think we should all be happy as kings."

In which perspective, permit me please to suggest in all modesty that RETURN TO TOMORROW is a "something for everybody" book. If you don't happen to be particularly interested in special effects, (or make-up, or costumes, or set design or whatever), you can choose to skim or skip those portions of the book when they appear, and go on to the next page and resume reading about something you may be more interested in, with no loss of the overall narrative.

(Perhaps Mike can bear me out on this point. Thanks for the kind words, sir!)

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 10, 2014 - 8:59 PM   
 By:   Howard L   (Member)

I hope to finish reading a Jackie Gleason bio by the arrival of your book. I'm half-way through.

Recently, I re-watched the six ST movies (director's cut of ST:TMP, indeed, is a stunner with that big movie look) and then much of the special edition of TOS. The breadth of the entire franchise struck me to no end. It is humbling to recall TOS as a kid, see it now, and go back in the mind to appreciate the whole idea of a beloved but defunct relatively short-lived television series become something beyond belief in cinematic resurrection. Which somehow we all knew, deep-down, would happen. It was, as usual, all about the people. Oh, the chemistry! For some reason DeForest Kelley has proved the focal point for me. I think it has something to do with the alternate hot-headedness, humor and warmth of his McCoy.

I'll need more time to nail this all down. Am sure the book will be a tremendous help.

 
 Posted:   Dec 12, 2014 - 6:23 AM   
 By:   ST-321   (Member)

I got an email yesterday from CF saying that my 'recent' order has been completed. It looks like the book will be heading my way soon. I can't wait!

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 12, 2014 - 6:57 AM   
 By:   jpteacher568   (Member)

I got an email yesterday from CF saying that my 'recent' order has been completed. It looks like the book will be heading my way soon. I can't wait!


I got the same email, only five months from ordering. Glad I did not get evicted from my apartment, the book would have disappeared into the twilight.

 
 Posted:   Dec 12, 2014 - 9:34 AM   
 By:   Tom Servo   (Member)

I got an email yesterday from CF saying that my 'recent' order has been completed. It looks like the book will be heading my way soon. I can't wait!


I got the same email, only five months from ordering. Glad I did not get evicted from my apartment, the book would have disappeared into the twilight.


Is that really something of which you're at risk often?

 
 Posted:   Dec 12, 2014 - 10:51 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Thxs for the heads up on the emails. FYI- I found mine in the spam folder! So check that out if your awaiting confirmation.

 
 Posted:   Dec 12, 2014 - 2:15 PM   
 By:   Wedge   (Member)

My signed copy just arrived -- very well-packed, I might add! It looks fantastic, and I can't wait to dive in!

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 12, 2014 - 2:35 PM   
 By:   will9000   (Member)

No shipping e-mail, but the book itself arrived this morning!

One of the corners got pretty badly damaged during shipping, but that's alway the chance you take with mail order.

The book is as amazing as I'd expected. Every page has some fascinating new revelation, even for someone (like myself) who has devoured the megatons of books, articles and commentaries on this film since I saw it 9 am opening day in 1979.

I wish the book itself had arrived in less damaged condition, but I honestly can't recommend this volume highly enough.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 18, 2014 - 3:08 PM   
 By:   Filmmaker   (Member)

Should I be concerned that people have started receiving this book as of a week ago and I haven't, even though I ordered it only five days after the author announced its availability here? I'm sure I'll be delighted when I finally receive it, but I don't know that I'll ever be able to bring myself to order anything from Creature Features again. The complete dearth of even basic status updates from them throughout this entire order-and-wait process flies in the face of Consumer Satisfaction 101.

 
 Posted:   Dec 18, 2014 - 3:12 PM   
 By:   Adam.   (Member)

I just received my shipping notice two days ago so at least they are getting them in the mail. I agree about the poor customer service. I won't buy from them again.

 
 Posted:   Dec 18, 2014 - 3:55 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

I got confirmation that I gave them money and the way it will ship. But no info if or when it will ship, if its on its way, or what not. Thus far have not received my copy.

 
 Posted:   Dec 18, 2014 - 3:59 PM   
 By:   Col. Flagg   (Member)

I agree about the poor customer service. I won't buy from them again.

Please get over yourselves. Book publishing is not an exact science, and is even more prone to delays when you don't have big money to push things through. The good people behind this project include Lukas Kendall, who has likely enabled many of your most prized CDs to reach your shelf (with booklets that are themselves mini-books), let alone granted you the ability to complain at leisure on this very board.

The book is shipping. My copy is at the post office. Yours will be too. Happy holidays!

 
 Posted:   Dec 18, 2014 - 6:51 PM   
 By:   Dana Wilcox   (Member)

I agree about the poor customer service. I won't buy from them again.

Please get over yourselves. Book publishing is not an exact science, and is even more prone to delays when you don't have big money to push things through. The good people behind this project include Lukas Kendall, who has likely enabled many of your most prized CDs to reach your shelf (with booklets that are themselves mini-books), let alone granted you the ability to complain at leisure on this very board.

The book is shipping. My copy is at the post office. Yours will be too. Happy holidays!


What Saul said!

Got the notice today -- item has shipped. I've had plenty to read during the waiting time, so no issues about that from me! If PNJ did it, I know (from having read his book about NIGHT OF THE HUNTER) it'll be damn well worth the wait.

 
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