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 Posted:   Oct 12, 2018 - 5:03 PM   
 By:   spetragl   (Member)

Well it's here.
I received my copy of Craft's Recording of "It's The Great Pumpkin, Charlie Brown" and I'm not impressed.
So the big question first, does it contain Fx?
Yes it does; nothing's been removed. ARGHHHH
Is it any better than the Youtube recording?
Possibly, but hardly noticeable.
In fact, many tracks fade out abruptly.
So who's better?
One thing the Youtube version has that this doesn't:
the complete "Graveyard Theme (extended)"
and the complete "It's the Great Pumpkin Ending".

You be the judge!

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 12, 2018 - 5:46 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

Well it's here.
I received my copy of Craft's Recording of "It's The Great Pumpkin, Charlie Brown" and I'm not impressed.
So the big question first, does it contain Fx?
Yes it does; nothing's been removed. ARGHHHH
Is it any better than the Youtube recording?
Possibly, but hardly noticeable.
In fact, many tracks fade out abruptly.
So who's better?
One thing the Youtube version has that this doesn't:
the complete "Graveyard Theme (extended)"
and the complete "It's the Great Pumpkin Ending".

You be the judge!


Thanks. I'll stick with my existing Vince Guaraldi LPs and Great Pumpkin DVD.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 12, 2018 - 7:04 PM   
 By:   GoblinScore   (Member)

But two guys above this is all happy with it.....

????

FFS...

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 12, 2018 - 8:18 PM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

One thing the Youtube version has that this doesn't:
the complete "Graveyard Theme (extended)"
and the complete "It's the Great Pumpkin Ending".


The MFX was already disclosed in the thread, as well as outrage that it isn't mentioned in any retail description for it. An MFX track means it's going to be the same as heard in the show, including fades, etc. Just no dialog. Might have been used for dubbing foreign language video.
Are the extended tracks available on other albums? If so, too bad they weren't or couldn't have been included.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 15, 2018 - 2:41 PM   
 By:   spetragl   (Member)

Apparently they ripped this "Craft" soundtrack after the Coca-Cola and Dolly Madison ads were removed.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 15, 2018 - 3:35 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

Here's an idea:

If a label can raise $50K to re-record an orchestral score, why not hire a competent group of studio jazz players to recreate this soundtrack and record it well? I'm listening to it now on the inter webs, and this would be no trouble whatsoever to transcribe. I'm sure it could be done for a reasonable amount.

 
 Posted:   Oct 15, 2018 - 3:59 PM   
 By:   George Komar   (Member)

The "Great Pumpkin Waltz" on this new release is a full one-minute longer than the previous version on Concorde's "The Definitive Vince Guaraldi" (3:30 versus 2:29).

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 20, 2018 - 7:23 AM   
 By:   spetragl   (Member)

The "Great Pumpkin Waltz" on this new release is a full one-minute longer than the previous version on Concorde's "The Definitive Vince Guaraldi" (3:30 versus 2:29).

I listened to both side-by-side and what "Craft" did was, they just repeated the guitar chord verse (which appears at 01:29) and copied it to (02:29).
Then they continued with the original ending.

no biggie here!

 
 Posted:   Oct 20, 2018 - 9:59 AM   
 By:   George Komar   (Member)

I came to the same conclusion a couple of days ago by examining track 4 in a wave-editor. It's the section from 0:49 to 1:51 that is repeated bit-for-bit at 1:51. Stick with the earlier Concord version, as the new CD is slightly brick-walled.

As for "Trick or Treat," there is only one recording. The reprises are merely straight repeats. But the 2nd reprise (track 15) is free of sound effects and can be used to replace the opening of Track 10 (which does have sound effects). I edited it that way, and then replaced the sound effects in the second part of Track 10 by copying and pasting the equivalent section just ahead. So now I have a sound effects-free "Trick or Treats" cue.

There was no reason why the new CD couldn't have been mastered that way. (I realize that editing involves a little extra time and money, but a Guaraldiphile would have taken the initiative.)

I did a similar thing with track 12, by joining the entire cue (except for the last chord) to the rest of track 12 (at 0:12, after the sound effects). The result is an extended version of "Charlie Brown Theme" with an appropriate coda.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 20, 2018 - 10:54 AM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

Would a faithful re-recording be so difficult?

 
 Posted:   Oct 20, 2018 - 12:30 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

Would a faithful re-recording be so difficult?

Given the repeated cues, is there even fifteen minutes of original music in this special? (Some tracks are clearly cut from longer cues. The complete recordings are clearly lost to time, but does sheet music exist? Did it ever?)

So it would seem the only realistic option would be a compilation – Halloween, Thanksgiving, Valentine, etc. Of course, there have been approximations of this – the relatively faithful (but for piano only) George Winston album "Linus & Lucy," the more interpretive jazz album "Happy Anniversary, Charlie Brown" – but these were not soundtrack albums per se. Given the improvisational nature of jazz, I wonder if a "faithful" new performance would be anathema to many musicians.

But I would buy such an album in an instant.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 20, 2018 - 1:34 PM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

I watched the show on television a few days ago. That's all I need for my music fix from this show for the next year.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 20, 2018 - 6:52 PM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

Sheet music has been published over the years, the arrangement might vary.
http://www.fivecentsplease.org/dpb/vincemuz.html

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 20, 2018 - 7:04 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

[Given the improvisational nature of jazz, I wonder if a "faithful" new performance would be anathema to many musicians.

That stuff is highly arranged. And the nature of being a session musician is to play what you're paid to play. As I wrote a above, this would be a breeze to transcribe.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 20, 2018 - 7:33 PM   
 By:   spetragl   (Member)


"I did a similar thing with track 12, by joining the entire cue (except for the last chord) to the rest of track 12 (at 0:12, after the sound effects). The result is an extended version of "Charlie Brown Theme" with an appropriate coda."


I Just followed your edits and it worked great on those 2 tracks.
A pristene copy of "Trick or Treat"; I love it.
Thanks for the tips!

 
 Posted:   Oct 20, 2018 - 8:06 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

[Given the improvisational nature of jazz, I wonder if a "faithful" new performance would be anathema to many musicians.

That stuff is highly arranged. And the nature of being a session musician is to play what you're paid to play. As I wrote a above, this would be a breeze to transcribe.


I bow to your expertise on this.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 20, 2018 - 8:15 PM   
 By:   Pedestrian Wolf   (Member)

Would a faithful re-recording be so difficult?

Given the repeated cues, is there even fifteen minutes of original music in this special? (Some tracks are clearly cut from longer cues. The complete recordings are clearly lost to time, but does sheet music exist? Did it ever?)

So it would seem the only realistic option would be a compilation – Halloween, Thanksgiving, Valentine, etc. Of course, there have been approximations of this – the relatively faithful (but for piano only) George Winston album "Linus & Lucy," the more interpretive jazz album "Happy Anniversary, Charlie Brown" – but these were not soundtrack albums per se. Given the improvisational nature of jazz, I wonder if a "faithful" new performance would be anathema to many musicians.

But I would buy such an album in an instant.


I think the tricky thing would be that it seems to go both ways. Some of the cues are the Vince Guaraldi Trio, playing his arrangements but also improvising, and the real bummer is that it sounds like there were clearly longer takes of these pieces that we’ll never get to hear (one cue on this release fades out just as someone is starting a solo). But some of the other cues are John Trotter pieces that really do seem like straightforward compositions, and ironically, I think these non-Guaraldi cues are the ones people are really wishing we could have. It really does seem like you could recreate them with a halfway competent flautist and a hi-hat, but they likely only amount to a few minutes of music, and is anybody going to bother with a “all that Peanuts music that’s NOT by Vince Guaraldi, that’s right, you’re welcome everyone” compilation?

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 20, 2018 - 8:15 PM   
 By:   Pedestrian Wolf   (Member)

Would a faithful re-recording be so difficult?

Given the repeated cues, is there even fifteen minutes of original music in this special? (Some tracks are clearly cut from longer cues. The complete recordings are clearly lost to time, but does sheet music exist? Did it ever?)

So it would seem the only realistic option would be a compilation – Halloween, Thanksgiving, Valentine, etc. Of course, there have been approximations of this – the relatively faithful (but for piano only) George Winston album "Linus & Lucy," the more interpretive jazz album "Happy Anniversary, Charlie Brown" – but these were not soundtrack albums per se. Given the improvisational nature of jazz, I wonder if a "faithful" new performance would be anathema to many musicians.

But I would buy such an album in an instant.


I think the tricky thing would be that it seems to go both ways. Some of the cues are the Vince Guaraldi Trio, playing his arrangements but also improvising, and the real bummer is that it sounds like there were clearly longer takes of these pieces that we’ll never get to hear (one cue on this release fades out just as someone is starting a solo). But some of the other cues are John Trotter pieces that really do seem like straightforward compositions, and ironically, I think these non-Guaraldi cues are the ones people are really wishing we could have. It really does seem like you could recreate them with a halfway competent flautist and a hi-hat, but they likely only amount to a few minutes of music, and is anybody going to bother with a “all that Peanuts music that’s NOT by Vince Guaraldi, that’s right, you’re welcome everyone” compilation?

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 21, 2018 - 6:18 AM   
 By:   jigawatts   (Member)

Anyone know why track 3 has "Frieda (With the Naturally Curly Hair)" in the title, when it's clearly the part where Linus jumps into the pile of leaves?

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 21, 2018 - 7:02 AM   
 By:   spetragl   (Member)

"Anyone know why track 3 has "Frieda (With the Naturally Curly Hair)" in the title, when it's clearly the part where Linus jumps into the pile of leaves?"

It starts out with "Snoopy And The Leaf" 00:00-00:21
Guaraldi plays a first few notes of "Frieda" 00:21-00:25
Then resumes with "Leaf Pile" 00:25-00:35

Guaraldi was known for taking bit and pieces of cues, sometimes just changing the tempo.
In other cases he might change the key and viola, another cue!
If you listen to the album "Peanuts Portraits", you'll recognize "Frieda" as being stikingly similar to 00:21-00:25 of this track.

 
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