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 Posted:   Aug 2, 2009 - 1:46 PM   
 By:   Suicide is imminent   (Member)

BUT my fellow soundtrackfan...Many people dont discuss, they form some kind of hatred for a composer and continue bashing this composer just for the hell of it, and it doesnt matter which soundtrack it is, only if the composers name are on it...
If there could be a soundtrack mob, I see many people joining it and that is sad...
If you do not like it, you are entitled to say so, but starting a hate campaign is ridiculous i.m.o
Thats what Im stating and Im sticking to it smile


Touché.

 
 Posted:   Aug 2, 2009 - 4:48 PM   
 By:   Hester_Prin   (Member)

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 Posted:   Aug 28, 2013 - 2:12 PM   
 By:   David (Giacchino-fan)   (Member)

Just listened to my first Tyler Bates score. The album definitely opened strongly with Rescue Mission and Don't Get Too Misty Eyed. I also really enjoyed the feel of the soundtrack and thought it had a strong finish with I Love You. Definitely an album I will revisit. If his Guardians of the Galaxy work is composed in a similar manner, I'll enjoy it.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 28, 2013 - 2:27 PM   
 By:   eggerty31   (Member)

Since this thread has been resurrected from the depths, I'll say that I really enjoy this album. It works really well with the film and as a standalone listen (which always gets bonus points in my books). I'm really not a big fan of Tyler Bates but this is one score where I feel he does deliver the goods.

The song album is also a great, eclectic mix as well and actually features songs from the film (so rare these days). Highly recommended as well.

Mind you I'm a big fan of the film.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 28, 2013 - 3:33 PM   
 By:   facehugger   (Member)

Just listened to my first Tyler Bates score. The album definitely opened strongly with Rescue Mission and Don't Get Too Misty Eyed. I also really enjoyed the feel of the soundtrack and thought it had a strong finish with I Love You. Definitely an album I will revisit. If his Guardians of the Galaxy work is composed in a similar manner, I'll enjoy it.

As a generic action score, this one is OK.

But as a Watchmen score, fail on so many levels, similarly to the failure of the film.

Lennie Moore's score to the Watchmen Motion Comic is a good Watchmen score, perfectly capturing the 80's noir feel.

 
 Posted:   Aug 28, 2013 - 4:08 PM   
 By:   Stefancos   (Member)

Watchmen is the single best comic book film adaptation ever. It makes great use of songs and existing orchestral music.

The original score by Bates is functional., but little more.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 28, 2013 - 4:34 PM   
 By:   ddddeeee   (Member)

Watchmen is, among many things, about how being a superhero is actually really hard and a terrible life. Zach Snyder's Watchmen has superheroes fighting in slow motion and posing for the cameras. When he takes the comic and literally translates it, as he does with Dr Manhattan's origin, the film works beautifully, but when he does his own thing he misses the mark completely.

 
 Posted:   Aug 28, 2013 - 5:10 PM   
 By:   random guy   (Member)

played the hell out of "We'll live longer" when the score first came out. such a lovely piece of music

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 28, 2013 - 5:13 PM   
 By:   facehugger   (Member)

... as he does with Dr Manhattan's origin, the film works beautifully.

Except it does not work at all.

He has cut out significant portions of Dr M's monologue, which is essential to the comic's central idea: thermal dynamic universe, morally blank world, watch without watchmaker, etc.

Hell this book is even called "Watch"-Men for Christ sake. Why do you think Alan Moore designed Dr M's daddy as a watchmaker? Unfortunately, this pun and its implicit message have been completely lost on Snyder, who reads this greatest story about existentialism as a shallow "what if superheroes have everyday worries?" story.

And he made an R-rated The Incredibles, featuring stupid gore and childish slow-mo.

As a result, he (not surprisingly) changed Veidt from the Nietzschism "ubermensch" into a garden-variety Hollywood villain, changed Rorschach from the self-righteous sociopath into Batman-lite, changed Dan the conformist boy-scout into another Batman. Pathetic.

Whoever says this film is a good adaptation of the comic only understands this great book at the most superficial level (aka "Wow this film uses the comic as a 1:1 storyboard therefore it must be GOOD!").

The score reflects this poorly-made film.

 
 Posted:   Aug 28, 2013 - 5:47 PM   
 By:   YOR The Hunter From The Future   (Member)

Bate's score is indeed pretty weak.

YOR likes the movie, but of course it is nothing near the original.

 
 Posted:   Aug 28, 2013 - 7:11 PM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

Watchmen is the single best comic book film adaptation ever.

I have a number of bridges you can buy. Real cheap!

 
 Posted:   Aug 28, 2013 - 9:57 PM   
 By:   Stefancos   (Member)

Typical FSM meanspiritedness.

Ooooohhhh...he likes a movie I think is rubbish, let me insult him.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 28, 2013 - 10:14 PM   
 By:   facehugger   (Member)

Typical FSM meanspiritedness.

Ooooohhhh...he likes a movie I think is rubbish, let me insult him.


Sorry you feel "insulted" by my comment. Nothing against you. I hate that movie with passion.

So instead of conclusorily say "I like it! It's good!" tell me why it's good?

This is a discussion board for Christ sake.

 
 Posted:   Aug 29, 2013 - 3:52 AM   
 By:   Stefancos   (Member)

First let me say that the comic, or graphic novel is completely unfamiliar to me. I have no idea in what way the film is faithful or not.

I however have seen my share of superhero and comic-based film. Usually they are pretty same. Fairly clear-cut, easily understandable characters. Emphasis on the origin story. A supervillian and his diabolical plot.

Most superhero films focus on the origin of their hero, because this is often the most interesting part. Watchmen feels more like an elegy to the Superhero days. Its not about their origin, it's about what happened after they stopped being superheroes. The start of the film seems familiar enough. A murder, an investigation. But after a while that takes a back seat and it becomes more about the characters. Superheroes who are all in their way interesting.

Jeffrey Dean Morgan as The Comedian. A Superhero though we see him gun down a pregnant lady and perform an act of rape. His behaviour in the film is unspeakable, yet the actor managed to make him...at times likeable and human.

Jackie Earle Haley as Rorschach. Probably the best performance in a film filled with outstanding acting. His character is chilling as a cynical, mean spirited vigilante who has his own ideas about justice and will not compromise them for anything. Jackie Earle Haley provides much of the films narration. deeply cynical lines about how he sees the world spoken in a soft, raspy voice that reminded me of Clint Eastwood, but 10 times more moody. (the unmasked Rorschach even resembled Eastwoods scowl a bit)

Billy Crudup. While Rorschach's voice carried a bitter, hateful, bile filled tone in every sentence. Dr Manhattan speaks with a detached, monotone voice. not emotionless, but slightly condescending and disinterested. Like one might talk to a child that's enthusiastically showing you his Lego collection for the 17th time. He can save humanity, but might not be bothered to do so. It's a fascinating performance.

Malin Akerman as Silk Spectre II. Leaves the universe most powerful being because he's not giving her his full attention. Malik switches effortlessly from needy bitch to true heroine.

Patrick Wilson as Nite Own II. A hero of the Batman mould. Though more idealistic. Wilson is excellent as the slightly boring, 40+ retired superhero wistfully reminiscing about the good old days. For both his character and Silk Spectre, putting an their superhero costumes seems to be more about fulfilling their own needs and desires then those of the society they are protecting. For Wilson's character his superhero persona returns to him a youthfullness and sexual vigour he had lacked.

The film has been directed well, very well. It's a long film, and the pacing is such the you feel it's a long film. But I was never bored, their was always at least some element, either story-wise or visual that kept me engaged. Lot's of slo-mo, but it does not feel forced. Snyder has often been compared to Michael Bay in that they seem more interested in how their film looks then what it is about. but Bay enforces his style on anything he does. drowning the subject matter in it. Snyder uses gives a film a certain style to elevate the subject matter. (300 shot as a conventional movie would be crap). The fightscenes are well done. I can actually see what is happening and who is fighting who. Liked the flash backs to the earlier day. Liked the unusual credit sequence.

The music. Loved some of the source cues. the score is not something I would listen to outside the film though. Lot of the action stuff was pretty standard fare. Like the odd organ/choir music for the Dr Manhattan scenes.

Watchmen is a film unlike any other superhero film. Meaning those awaiting The Avengers, the new Spider-man or Iron Man 3 will find it flawed.

It's a work of true conviction, and makes even The Dark Knight seem like it's aimed at slackjawed gawkers.

 
 Posted:   Aug 29, 2013 - 4:02 AM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

Watchmen was terrifically awful for a simple reason: Snyder didn't understand the source material at all. The hilarious part is that you acknowledge readily not reading the source material either. So, we're two for two here.

 
 Posted:   Aug 29, 2013 - 4:07 AM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

Double post

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 29, 2013 - 4:20 AM   
 By:   Tall Guy   (Member)

First let me say that the comic, or graphic novel is completely unfamiliar to me. I have no idea in what way the film is faithful or not.


I, on the other hand, have read the graphic novel, and greatly enjoyed both that and the film. Thank you, Stefancos, for your thoughts on the film, which I share. It and the source material are two different animals, and perhaps one day someone will essay a film that might be more faithful to the undercurrents of the book.

Until then, I'll continue to enjoy the Watchmen film - especially the Rorschach elements - on its own merits. If others don't enjoy it, I'm sure there's plenty that they do like to illuminate their lives.

TG

 
 Posted:   Aug 29, 2013 - 5:09 AM   
 By:   Stefancos   (Member)

Watchmen was terrifically awful for a simple reason: Snyder didn't understand the source material at all. The hilarious part is that you acknowledge readily not reading the source material either. So, we're two for two here.

I enjoy and appreciate the film on it's own terms.

Is it required for a viewer to have a deep knowledge of the source of a film? I don't think so.

 
 Posted:   Aug 29, 2013 - 5:21 AM   
 By:   jedizim   (Member)

Watchmen was terrifically awful for a simple reason: Snyder didn't understand the source material at all. The hilarious part is that you acknowledge readily not reading the source material either. So, we're two for two here.

I enjoy and appreciate the film on it's own terms.

Is it required for a viewer to have a deep knowledge of the source of a film? I don't think so.


No. In fact, I can almost guarantee that most of the haters of the film have a long history with the comic that inspired the film...and any deviation from the holy scripture that was put into comic form years before is considered blasphemy. No matter what...unless the movie was filmed frame per frame based on the comic...would they be happy. I saw the movie before I had read the comic...I loved the movie (and still enjoy it a lot), and thought the comic was a little dated but enjoyable.

 
 Posted:   Aug 29, 2013 - 5:27 AM   
 By:   Stefancos   (Member)

The problem is that Snyder can't seem to catch a break with Watchmen fans.

On the one hand I've heard them complain that the film is far too similar to the comic in story and structure, that it really is not it's own entity. (are these the same people who bashed V for Vendetta, League Of Extraordinary Gentlemen etc for not being faithful enough to the comics???) On the other hand people bash the few changes that Snyder apparently did make.

 
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