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Are there any feature films in which the overture is lost or missing?
Thanks to restoration work for DVD releases most Overtures can now be heard for the first time in decades, such as Rozsa's QUO VADIS. Off hand, the only one I can think of which isn't on the DVD or CD is Kaper's LORD JIM. I saw the film when it opened in 70mm at the Odeon Leicester Square and thought it had an Overture but maybe I'm misremembering. Did anyone else remember an Overture?
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Are there any feature films in which the overture is lost or missing?
Thanks to restoration work for DVD releases most Overtures can now be heard for the first time in decades, such as Rozsa's QUO VADIS. Off hand, the only one I can think of which isn't on the DVD or CD is Kaper's LORD JIM. I saw the film when it opened in 70mm at the Odeon Leicester Square and thought it had an Overture but maybe I'm misremembering. Did anyone else remember an Overture?
Doug, I didn't start at the Odeon Leicester Square until 1980 and the longest serving Projectionist currently still there started in 1973 so I don't really know anybody who would remember but given the period and the care that roadshow presentations were put together, I'd be very surprised if it didn't open with an Overture.
Good to meet you in October and a very Happy New Year to you.
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Are there any feature films in which the overture is lost or missing?
Thanks to restoration work for DVD releases most Overtures can now be heard for the first time in decades, such as Rozsa's QUO VADIS. Off hand, the only one I can think of which isn't on the DVD or CD is Kaper's LORD JIM. I saw the film when it opened in 70mm at the Odeon Leicester Square and thought it had an Overture but maybe I'm misremembering. Did anyone else remember an Overture?
Doug, I didn't start at the Odeon Leicester Square until 1980 and the longest serving Projectionist currently still there started in 1973 so I don't really know anybody who would remember but given the period and the care that roadshow presentations were put together, I'd be very surprised if it didn't open with an Overture.
Good to meet you in October and a very Happy New Year to you.
Thanks Dave. Happy New Year to you, and Julie, as well!
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Thanks Doug
Pop in & say hello next time your passing The Empire!
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Thanks to restoration work for DVD releases most Overtures can now be heard for the first time in decades, such as Rozsa's QUO VADIS. Off hand, the only one I can think of which isn't on the DVD or CD is Kaper's LORD JIM. I saw the film when it opened in 70mm at the Odeon Leicester Square and thought it had an Overture but maybe I'm misremembering. Did anyone else remember an Overture?
The book "Wide Screen Movies" by Carr and Hayes makes no mention of an overture for "Lord Jim." The book usually mentions the extra music if a roadshow film had some. However, both the book and the American Film Institute catalog note that there was a time difference between the roadshow prints (154 minutes, not counting intermission) and the general release prints (143 minutes, with no intermission). Often, the time reduction for a general release print is made by deleting the overture, entr'acte, and exit music from the roadshow version. Here, since the current DVD is listed as running the full roadshow length of 154 minutes, if the DVD does not contain an overture, it's likely that the roadshow prints did not have one either.
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Maybe I'm misunderstanding but overture means movie begins, music at same time and then titles? Or literally as curtains opening?
Usually, an overture (i.e., music) is played with the curtains closed. (There have been exceptions, such as "West Side Story" and "Dancer In the Dark" where the overture played to a slide or visible animation on the screen.) When the overture music is completed, the curtains begin to open as the film company logo appears on the screen. By the time the main title or opening sequence of the film begins, the curtains should be fully open.
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Thanks to restoration work for DVD releases most Overtures can now be heard for the first time in decades, such as Rozsa's QUO VADIS. Off hand, the only one I can think of which isn't on the DVD or CD is Kaper's LORD JIM. I saw the film when it opened in 70mm at the Odeon Leicester Square and thought it had an Overture but maybe I'm misremembering. Did anyone else remember an Overture?
The book "Wide Screen Movies" by Carr and Hayes makes no mention of an overture for "Lord Jim." The book usually mentions the extra music if a roadshow film had some. However, both the book and the American Film Institute catalog note that there was a time difference between the roadshow prints (154 minutes, not counting intermission) and the general release prints (143 minutes, with no intermission). Often, the time reduction for a general release print is made by deleting the overture, entr'acte, and exit music from the roadshow version. Here, since the current DVD is listed as running the full roadshow length of 154 minutes, if the DVD does not contain an overture, it's likely that the roadshow prints did not have one either.
LORD JIM as presented in its NYC Roadshow engagement at Loew's State Theatre did not have an overture. It did have an intermission and I 'believe' there was an Entr'acte.
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LORD JIM as presented in its NYC Roadshow engagement at Loew's State Theatre did not have an overture. It did have an intermission and I 'believe' there was an Entr'acte.
The "Lord Jim" soundtrack album has a 3 minute track on it called "Intermission" that may well be the Entr'acte.
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I always skip them on dvd. it seems silly to sit there watching nothing. And let's face it - they were designed to sell popcorn
bruce
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I always skip them on dvd. it seems silly to sit there watching nothing. And let's face it - they were designed to sell popcorn
bruce
Well, Intermissions may have sold some popcorn, but I doubt that Overtures ever sold a single extra box of popcorn. The Overture signals patrons that it's time to enter the theater, not to lag around the concession stand.
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For informational purposes, here is a list of films in my DVD/laser disc collection that have overtures, intermissions, entractes and exit music.
THE ADVENTURERS (1970) (intermission)
AGONY AND THE ECSTASY (1965) (intermission, entr’acte, exit music)
THE ALAMO (1960) (overture, intermission, entr’acte, exit music)
AROUND THE WORLD IN 80 DAYS (1956) (intermission, entr’acte, exit music)
BARRY LYNDON (1975) (intermission)
BATTLE OF THE BULGE (1965) (overture, intermission, exit music)
BEN-HUR (1959) (overture, intermission, entr’acte, exit music)
BEST FOOT FORWARD (1943) (overture, exit music)
BIG TRAIL (1930) (exit music)
BILLY ROSE’S JUMBO (1962) (overture)
BLACK HOLE (1979) (overture)
BLUE MAX (1966) (intermission, entr’acte)
BOY FRIEND (1971) (intermission, entr’acte)
CAMELOT (1967) (overture, intermission, entr’acte, exit music)
CAN-CAN (1960) (overture, intermission, entr’acte, exit music)
THE CARDINAL (1963) (intermission, entr’acte)
CHEYENNE AUTUMN (1964) (overture, intermission, entr’acte)
CHITTY CHITTY BANG BANG (1968) (intermission, entr’acte)
CINDERELLA (1965) (overture)
CIRCUS WORLD (1964) (intermission, entr’acte, exit music)
CLEOPATRA (1963) (overture, intermission, entr’acte, exit music)
THE COWBOYS (1972) (overture, intermission, entr’acte, exit music)
DANCER IN THE DARK (2000) (overture)
DARLING LILI (1970) (overture, exit music)
DIAL M FOR MURDER (1954) (intermission)
DIARY OF ANNE FRANK (1959) (overture, intermission, exit music)
DOCTOR DOLITTLE (1967) (overture, intermission, entr’acte, exit music)
DOCTOR ZHIVAGO (1965) (overture, intermission, entr’acte)
DUEL IN THE SUN (1946) (overture, exit music)
EAST OF EDEN (1955) (overture)
EL CID (1961) (overture, intermission, entr’acte, exit music)
FALL OF THE ROMAN EMPIRE (1964) (overture, intermission, entr’acte, exit music)
FANTASIA (1940) (intermission)
FAR FROM THE MADDING CROWD (1967) (overture, intermission, entr’acte)
FIDDLER ON THE ROOF (1971) (intermission, entr’acte)
55 DAYS AT PEKING (1963) (overture, intermission, entr’acte, exit music)
FINIAN’S RAINBOW (1968) (overture, intermission, entr’acte, exit music)
FOR WHOM THE BELL TOLLS (1943) (overture, intermission, entr’acte)
FUNNY GIRL (1968) (overture, intermission, entr’acte, exit music)
GANDHI (1982) (intermission, entr’acte)
GODFATHER PART II (intermission)
GONE WITH THE WIND (1939) (overture, intermission, entr’acte, exit music)
GOODBYE MR. CHIPS (1969) (overture, intermission, entr’acte, exit music)
GRAND PRIX (1966) (overture, intermission, entr’acte)
GREAT RACE (1965) (overture, intermission, entr’acte, exit music)
GREAT ZIEGFELD (1936) (overture, intermission, entr’acte, exit music)
GREATEST STORY EVER TOLD (1965) (overture, intermission, entr’acte, exit music)
HALLELUJAH TRAIL (1965) (overture, intermission, entr’acte, exit music)
HAMLET (1996) (intermission)
HAPPIEST MILLIONAIRE (1967) (overture, intermission, entr’acte)
HAWAII (1966) (overture, intermission, entr’acte, exit music)
HEAVEN’S GATE (1980) (intermission, entr’acte)
HELEN OF TROY (1956) (overture)
HELLO DOLLY (1969) (intermission, entr’acte, exit music)
HELL’S ANGELS (1930) (intermission, entr’acte)
HIGH SOCIETY (1956) (overture)
HONDO (1953) (intermission)
HOUSE OF WAX (1953) (intermission)
HOW THE WEST WAS WON (1962) (overture, intermission, entr’acte, exit music)
HOW TO MARRY A MILLIONAIRE (1953) (overture)
ICE STATION ZEBRA (1968) (overture, intermission, entr’acte, exit music)
ICEMAN COMETH (1973) (intermission)
INTO THE WOODS (1990) (intermission)
IS PARIS BURNING (1966) (overture, intermission, entr’acte)
IT’S A MAD MAD MAD MAD WORLD (1963) (overture, intermission, entr’acte, exit music)
JEREMIAH JOHNSON (1972) (overture, intermission, entr’acte)
JUDGMENT AT NUREMBURG (1961) (overture, exit music)
KHARTOUM (1966) (overture, intermission, entr’acte, exit music)
KING AND I (1956) (overture, intermission, entr’acte, exit music)
KING KONG (1933) (overture)
KING OF KINGS (1961) (overture, intermission, entr’acte, exit music)
KINGDOM OF HEAVEN (2005) (overture, intermission, entr’acte)
LAGAAN: ONCE UPON A TIME IN INDIA (2001) (intermission)
LAWRENCE OF ARABIA (1962) (overture, intermission, entr’acte, exit music)
MAGIC FLUTE (1975) (overture, intermission)
MAN OF LA MANCHA (1972) (overture)
MARIE ANTOINETTE (1938) (overture, intermission, entr’acte, exit music)
MARY QUEEN OF SCOTS (1971) (overture, intermission, entr’acte)
MIDSUMMER NIGHT’S DREAM (1935) (overture, intermission, exit music)
THE MOONLIGHTER (1953) (intermission)
MUTINY ON THE BOUNTY (1962) (overture, intermission, entr’acte)
MY FAIR LADY (1964) (overture, intermission, entr’acte, exit music)
NAPOLEON (1927) (intermission)
NICHOLAS AND ALEXANDRA (1971) (intermission, entr’acte)
OKLAHOMA (1955) (overture, intermission, entr’acte, exit music)
OLIVER (1968) (overture, intermission, entr’acte, exit music)
ONCE UPON A TIME IN AMERICA (1984) (intermission)
OTHELLO (1965) (intermission)
PAINT YOUR WAGON (1969) (intermission, entr’acte, exit music)
PATTON (1970) (intermission, entr’acte)
PEARL HARBOR (2001) (intermission)
QUO VADIS (1951) (overture, exit music)
RAINTREE COUNTY (1957) (overture, intermission, entr’acte, exit music)
RED BEARD (1965) (intermission, entr’acte, exit music)
REDS (1981) (intermission)
RYAN’S DAUGHTER (1970) (overture, intermission, entr’acte, exit music)
SAMSON AND DELILAH (1949) (overture)
SAND PEBBLES (1966) (overture, intermission, entr’acte)
SCROOGE (1970) (overture)
SEVEN SAMURAI (1954) (intermission)
1776 (1972) (overture, intermission, entr’acte)
SHOES OF THE FISHERMAN (1968) (overture, intermission, entr’acte, exit music)
SINCE YOU WENT AWAY (1944) (overture, intermission, entr’acte)
SONG OF BERNADETTE (1943) (exit music)
SOUND OF MUSIC (1965) (intermission, entr’acte)
SOUTH PACIFIC (1958) (overture, intermission, entr’acte, exit music)
SPARTACUS (1960) (overture, intermission, entr’acte)
SPELLBOUND (1945) (overture, exit music)
STAR (1968) (overture, exit music)
STAR IS BORN (1954) (intermission)
SUNRISE AT CAMPOBELLO (1960) (intermission)
SWEET CHARITY (1969) (overture, intermission, entr’acte)
TEN COMMANDMENTS (1956) (overture, intermission, entr’acte, exit music)
THAT’S ENTERTAINMENT (1974) (overture)
THAT’S ENTERTAINMENT III (1994) (overture)
THIS IS THE ARMY (1943) (overture, exit music)
THOROUGHLY MODERN MILLIE (1967) (overture, intermission, entr’acte, exit music)
THOSE MAGNIFICENT MEN IN THEIR FLYING MACHINES (1965) (intermission, entr’acte)
TOM SAWYER (1973) (overture)
TORA TORA TORA (1970) (intermission, entr’acte)
2001 A SPACE ODYSSEY (1968) (overture, intermission, entr’acte, exit music)
UNSINKABLE MOLLY BROWN (1964) (overture, exit music)
WE THE LIVING (1942) (intermission)
WEST SIDE STORY (1961) (overture, intermission, entr’acte)
WHO’S AFRAID OF VIRGINIA WOOLF? (1966) (exit music)
WOODSTOCK (1970) (intermission)
ZIEGFELD FOLLIES (1946) (overture, exit music)
"Scrooge" also had Exit Music, and was on the original V.H.S. release (and the later D.V.D.).
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Ben-Hur does not have exit music. Never did.
Spartacus does have exit music.
No mention of Barabbas which did have an Overture and Entr'acte during its brief Roadshow run at the DeMille Theatre in NYC. The DVD does not have this additional music.
Becket had both an Overture and Entr'acte music during Intermission during it's Roadshow run in NYC. The restored DVD and Blu-ray do not include this music.
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