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 Posted:   Jun 26, 2013 - 1:35 AM   
 By:   spook   (Member)



I'm totally psyched for this movie, more so than MOS. yes, it appeals to the thirteen year old in me but what's the matter with that?

One thing it looks like they nailed that Michael Bay never was able to was the motion of large beings. They shouldn't move as fast as smaller beings especially when you see them from a distance which basically means all of the cameras. Just like a plan doesn't seem to b flying quickly who one views it from the ground, the robots and monsters should appear to us to be moving in slow motion which they appear to be doing in the trailer footage. Transformers had robots moving way too fast to be realistic in terms of the laws of physics. So yeah, I stoked to see this bad boy.


Great,David! Good to hear someone else with the optimism flag flying in the face of all these party poopers smile

 
 Posted:   Jun 26, 2013 - 8:02 AM   
 By:   Other Tallguy   (Member)

It's not The Empire Strikes Back or anything, but I'm digging it. I have a feeling this will join Person of Interest in regular rotation for a while at any rate.

 
 Posted:   Jun 26, 2013 - 8:19 AM   
 By:   DavidCoscina   (Member)



I'm totally psyched for this movie, more so than MOS. yes, it appeals to the thirteen year old in me but what's the matter with that?

One thing it looks like they nailed that Michael Bay never was able to was the motion of large beings. They shouldn't move as fast as smaller beings especially when you see them from a distance which basically means all of the cameras. Just like a plan doesn't seem to b flying quickly who one views it from the ground, the robots and monsters should appear to us to be moving in slow motion which they appear to be doing in the trailer footage. Transformers had robots moving way too fast to be realistic in terms of the laws of physics. So yeah, I stoked to see this bad boy.


Great,David! Good to hear someone else with the optimism flag flying in the face of all these party poopers smile


Darn straight! It's not high art but the genre almost by definition makes it so. I'm shocked at these posts from iO9 that state "Pacific Rim will be a flop!" when the movie hasn't even been released. I'm sure Del Toro and the studio are more than concerned about the negative buzz. Unless it's a clever reverse psychology tactic to get people interested...who knows?

I have enjoyed all of Del Toro's outings, even the pulpy Blade 2 which I think was the best of the franchise. It was playful, action packed, cogent, and just plain fun. It never took itself that seriously. I don't expect Pacific Rim to be anything more than a hellluva good kaiju romp like my childhood faves such as Destroy All Monsters.

Besides, it looks like Godzilla 2014 will be more serious and realistic (as realistic as a movie with a 300ft prehistoric radioactive spewing behemoth can be).

I couldn't wait for iTunes to sort out their album issues with Pacific Rim and downloaded a few tracks. I enjoy them all. They are FUN! And also, I come from an era when prog rock ruled and often you would get orchestra and rock married quite nicely (Alan Parsons Project, ELP). So guitar lines backed by full orchestra is cool with me. Probably why I also have no issue with MOS in this regard.


 
 Posted:   Jun 26, 2013 - 9:08 AM   
 By:   WillGoldNewtonBarryGrusin   (Member)

Kiddie pseudo-rock droning.

And MOS gets all the hate?

 
 Posted:   Jun 26, 2013 - 9:56 AM   
 By:   DavidCoscina   (Member)

Kiddie pseudo-rock droning.

And MOS gets all the hate?


Not all of it. The Russian track is quite good and so is Mako. I hear Djawadi going for different chords than usual.

 
 Posted:   Jun 26, 2013 - 10:56 AM   
 By:   Other Tallguy   (Member)

Kiddie pseudo-rock droning.

And MOS gets all the hate?


This doesn't drone. It lands somewhere between The Rock and Tron Legacy. So far I like it more than MoS. It has melodies. Not saying MoS has NONE, but this is much more tuneful.

David, you are the official ray of sunshine on FSM these days.

 
 Posted:   Jun 26, 2013 - 11:09 AM   
 By:   DavidCoscina   (Member)

Kiddie pseudo-rock droning.

And MOS gets all the hate?


This doesn't drone. It lands somewhere between The Rock and Tron Legacy. So far I like it more than MoS. It has melodies. Not saying MoS has NONE, but this is much more tuneful.

David, you are the official ray of sunshine on FSM these days.


Thanks. It's amazing with Prozac will do for you. Or lithium. wink

I think it's a fun score and honestly at times, pleasantly surprising where Djawadi takes the harmonies.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 26, 2013 - 1:26 PM   
 By:   facehugger   (Member)

Kiddie pseudo-rock droning.

And MOS gets all the hate?


One is EXTREMELY hyped and comes from the composer currently of the HIGHEST profile (not saying he's most talented but he is definitely the most expensive). People were expecting something at least as listenable as Transformers.

The other, well, anyone expecting anything else?

 
 Posted:   Jun 26, 2013 - 1:59 PM   
 By:   Sirusjr   (Member)

To me the main difference between Pacific Rim and Man of Steel score wise is the mix. Pacific Rim manages to use synth and orchestra tastefully without blasting you with a wall of sound. Man of Steel didn't sound right to me because it had a sort of reverb or ethereal feel to it that made it sound different than it should have. Everything in Pacific Rim sounds natural, and the synth is actually used as an instrument to complement the rest of the score as opposed to dominating.

 
 Posted:   Jun 27, 2013 - 5:42 PM   
 By:   David (Giacchino-fan)   (Member)

I couldn't wait for iTunes to sort out their album issues with Pacific Rim and downloaded a few tracks. I enjoy them all. They are FUN! And also, I come from an era when prog rock ruled and often you would get orchestra and rock married quite nicely (Alan Parsons Project, ELP). So guitar lines backed by full orchestra is cool with me. Probably why I also have no issue with MOS in this regard.

I listened to the main theme, and you're right: while I do notice shades of Iron Man, it's just fun to listen to. The orchestra/rock collaboration is interesting; while I prefer the orchestral sounds, the mix is an interesting change. I'd be open to hearing more, especially after you posted how Djawadi has used some interesting harmonic progressions.

 
 Posted:   Jun 27, 2013 - 8:25 PM   
 By:   DavidCoscina   (Member)

I couldn't wait for iTunes to sort out their album issues with Pacific Rim and downloaded a few tracks. I enjoy them all. They are FUN! And also, I come from an era when prog rock ruled and often you would get orchestra and rock married quite nicely (Alan Parsons Project, ELP). So guitar lines backed by full orchestra is cool with me. Probably why I also have no issue with MOS in this regard.

I listened to the main theme, and you're right: while I do notice shades of Iron Man, it's just fun to listen to. The orchestra/rock collaboration is interesting; while I prefer the orchestral sounds, the mix is an interesting change. I'd be open to hearing more, especially after you posted how Djawadi has used some interesting harmonic progressions.


Check out The Shatterdom. The latter part of it features a Russian hymn that is like Poledouris' Red October. Yes it's that good. Nice harmonies and excellent arrangement. Dwajadi also has a portentous monster figure scored for massive low brass but as mentioned its all orchestra and not synths.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 27, 2013 - 8:44 PM   
 By:   ScoreKeeper   (Member)

Djawadi has used some interesting harmonic progressions.

Like what? I hear the same i - III - VI that you hear from RC composers all the time. I hear the dominant minor that you hear RC composers use all the time. "Pacific Rim" is pretty much just power chords on i - III in the key of D minor. "Mako" is pretty much i - VI - with the minor v again. There are some passing tones he's throwing in there and he'll occasionally move into a different tonality which I guess could be considered interesting.

I've been through the album several times. I'm not hearing anything remotely resembling "interesting harmonic progressions". To me this is the equivalent of the high school kid pounding out power chords in the guitar shop for hours on end. Even that attracts an audience which is fine but I wouldn't classify it as interesting just because he throws in a minor vi every now and then.

What am I missing?

 
 Posted:   Jun 27, 2013 - 8:57 PM   
 By:   DavidCoscina   (Member)

Djawadi has used some interesting harmonic progressions.

Like what? I hear the same i - III - VI that you hear from RC composers all the time. I hear the dominant minor that you hear RC composers use all the time. "Pacific Rim" is pretty much just power chords on i - III in the key of D minor. "Mako" is pretty much i - VI - with the minor v again. There are some passing tones he's throwing in there and he'll occasionally move into a different tonality which I guess could be considered interesting.

I've been through the album several times. I'm not hearing anything remotely resembling "interesting harmonic progressions". To me this is the equivalent of the high school kid pounding out power chords in the guitar shop for hours on end. Even that attracts an audience which is fine but I wouldn't classify it as interesting just because he throws in a minor vi every now and then.

What am I missing?


Sorry I more meant his melodic lines and how they move around his chords. To me it doesn't sound like typical RC stuff. That Russian choral thing still sounds great and I've played it over again a few times. But hey, It admittedly isn't Shoenberg or Shostakovich.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 27, 2013 - 9:39 PM   
 By:   facehugger   (Member)


Check out The Shatterdom. The latter part of it features a Russian hymn that is like Poledouris' Red October. Yes it's that good.


What? Not every male choir is a Russian hymn.

Sorry to bust your bubble but I grew up in an ex-Commie country and I heard Russian style music all the time when I was young. This hymn is nothing like Russian stuff.

Red October, on the other hand, is in a complete different league.

 
 Posted:   Jun 28, 2013 - 6:43 AM   
 By:   DavidCoscina   (Member)


Check out The Shatterdom. The latter part of it features a Russian hymn that is like Poledouris' Red October. Yes it's that good.


What? Not every male choir is a Russian hymn.

Sorry to bust your bubble but I grew up in an ex-Commie country and I heard Russian style music all the time when I was young. This hymn is nothing like Russian stuff.

Red October, on the other hand, is in a complete different league.


Yes I know not every male choir is a Russian hymn. But it;s not like that cue screams Polynesian choir or Handel's Messiah now does it? There are some strong Russian flavors to that track.

Do you know what language they are speaking in?

 
 Posted:   Jun 28, 2013 - 6:50 AM   
 By:   YOR The Hunter From The Future   (Member)

This score is really awfull, but much better than Zimmer's "Man of Steel".

Amazing!

 
 Posted:   Jun 28, 2013 - 6:59 AM   
 By:   Other Tallguy   (Member)

What? Not every male choir is a Russian hymn.

Sorry to bust your bubble but I grew up in an ex-Commie country and I heard Russian style music all the time when I was young. This hymn is nothing like Russian stuff.


Fair enough. But this is pretty clearly supposed to sound Russian. I don't know if it does to a Russian. But it does to an American. Because we hear stuff like Hunt for Red October or the Russian stuff in Independence Day or the Soviet bits from The Right Stuff and say "Ah! Russian!"

 
 Posted:   Jun 28, 2013 - 7:13 AM   
 By:   David (Giacchino-fan)   (Member)

What? Not every male choir is a Russian hymn.

Sorry to bust your bubble but I grew up in an ex-Commie country and I heard Russian style music all the time when I was young. This hymn is nothing like Russian stuff.


Fair enough. But this is pretty clearly supposed to sound Russian. I don't know if it does to a Russian. But it does to an American. Because we hear stuff like Hunt for Red October or the Russian stuff in Independence Day or the Soviet bits from The Right Stuff and say "Ah! Russian!"


Yeah, it's similar to Kung Fu Panda, The Karate Kid, etc. where it may not be Asian-sounding music, but it's what Americans think Asian music sounds like.

 
 Posted:   Jun 28, 2013 - 7:23 AM   
 By:   spook   (Member)

This score is really awfull, but much better than Zimmer's "Man of Steel".

Amazing!


Right!!!... you don't like Hans Zimmer!! We Get it!!! Enough!!!!

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 28, 2013 - 7:26 AM   
 By:   facehugger   (Member)


Yes I know not every male choir is a Russian hymn. But it;s not like that cue screams Polynesian choir or Handel's Messiah now does it? There are some strong Russian flavors to that track.

Do you know what language they are speaking in?


Probably some generic a-i-u-e-o based on Zimmer's generic samples.

Even if they're singing in Russian, -- now I don't have a formal music background so I can't give the exact terms -- the chord progression of this track is nothing like typical Russian music.

Anyway, for Russian soundling music, nothing beats Red October and Horner's borderline plagarism stuff.

 
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