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 Posted:   Dec 18, 2012 - 3:56 PM   
 By:   danielchampion   (Member)

I adore this score. Only discovered it a few years ago when I was still reviewing for Music from the Movies. I wouldn't have discovered the film had it not been for that soundtrack album. Those opening shots of Hackman's journey are beautifully set against Goldsmith's music. My Intrada order should be arriving any day now....

Anyway, to remind myself as much as anybody, (and to convince everybody they NEED to own Intrada's new release) here's my "review" of the original album:

Good evening, folks! You join us on what could be an historical night of playing as Jerry Goldsmith leans into his faithful synths and orchestra for Hoosiers. It’s 1986 and Goldsmith still seems to be at the height of his career coming off some great successes with Joe Dante’s Gremlins and Explorers and the Salkind’s Supergirl picture and – Oh! We start with a free throw that is just spectacular. ‘Best Shot (Hoosiers Theme)’ is masterful. I hope you heard that play on the benches ‘cos I don’t know when we’ll hear something like that again. How do you create that kind of feeling with synths that far out in the court? This is Americana on mescaline in the best possible way, even though that orchestra is nowhere in sight those hyped synths still rebound with such melodic force to get your feet tapping and your head nodding!

This has got to be some of the finest sports playing I have ever heard. Goldsmith knows his play; he takes his strings and electronics through a series of in and out dribbles and oh, listen to that spin move into some beautiful strokes from his string players. Now another transition to restrained synths in the close-out of ‘You Did Good’, which takes us into the meat of these forty minutes; Folks, this is like nothing you’ve ever heard! Goldsmith’s inventiveness is constantly refreshing and the heart-pounding theme in ‘The Coach Stays’ is testament to his invigorating energy and – oh my, it doesn’t end here, listen to that ‘Pivot’. Elaborate spin moves are something of a trademark for the big G and he doesn’t disappoint here. Where are these themes coming from? The horns make their move not a second too late and the beat truly takes the offence to the next level in ‘Get The Ball’. There’s more energy here than can be packed into this commentary as Goldsmith drives melody and lyricism to dizzying heights. We need a respite folks and it comes with ‘Town Meeting’, this backwater Americana theme settles the soul and replenishes the energy with its simple tones and unyielding attractiveness to the ear. A moments silence guys and dolls…

The beat builds. And we’re ball-side! ‘The Finals’ is a tour de force of forward pivot, reverse pivot, V-cut and curl. The strings dance left to right then pass to the synth beat, and the melody takes the lead, rebounding from the weak side wing to the elbow into the 3 second area and… it’s in! Goldsmith takes it to the hoop! What a play, folks. What a play. This is gonna go down in history. Heck, Goldsmith’s gonna go down in history. The big G… gorgeous.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 10, 2013 - 10:12 AM   
 By:   counterpoint   (Member)

Just listening to the Intrada CD. I love the tender americana stuff Goldsmith wrote but - sorry - the dated 80s synth sounds and the dated drum machine IMHO ruin that score. And now I remember why I never listened to my old TER CD. But as an avid Goldsmith bottle cap completist I am still very happy about that release smile

 
 Posted:   Jan 10, 2013 - 10:27 AM   
 By:   MRAUDIO   (Member)

Just listening to the Intrada CD. I love the tender americana stuff Goldsmith wrote but - sorry - the dated 80s synth sounds and the dated drum machine IMHO ruin that score. And now I remember why I never listened to my old TER CD. But as an avid Goldsmith bottle cap completist I am still very happy about that release smile

It's funny how music effects people - I was listening to the new HOOSIERS just yesterday and I did not think that the drum machine/synth stuff sounded dated at all to me - it just blended so well with what Goldsmith did with the rest of the score, it is actually timeless.

Anyway, this is one of my favorite Goldsmith scores and it really did get the royal treatment from Intrada - I just love this CD.

Two BIG thumbs up for HOOSIERS!!!:-)

 
 Posted:   Jan 10, 2013 - 10:39 AM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

I enjoy "Hoosiers." This new CD is unusual for me, in that I don't think the expansion hurts it or helps it. It's pretty much the same for me -- the new cues don't add much, but they don't detract, either.

What I noticed again is just how sloppy the orchestra's performance is. The horns especially play quite terribly. I'm sure it drove Goldsmith batty.

 
 Posted:   Jan 10, 2013 - 10:49 AM   
 By:   TM   (Member)

I enjoy "Hoosiers." This new CD is unusual for me, in that I don't think the expansion hurts it or helps it. It's pretty much the same for me -- the new cues don't add much, but they don't detract, either.

What I noticed again is just how sloppy the orchestra's performance is. The horns especially play quite terribly. I'm sure it drove Goldsmith batty.


SchiffyM -- I've got the original CD and always wondered about the orchestra. I've heard conflicting accounts of where it was recorded. Does the Intrada booklet say where and/or who the soloists were...?

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 15, 2013 - 7:54 PM   
 By:   Taylor Fenno   (Member)

I enjoy "Hoosiers." This new CD is unusual for me, in that I don't think the expansion hurts it or helps it. It's pretty much the same for me -- the new cues don't add much, but they don't detract, either.

What I noticed again is just how sloppy the orchestra's performance is. The horns especially play quite terribly. I'm sure it drove Goldsmith batty.


Which tracks specifically? I don't really have the ear you do, but I would like to know more.

 
 Posted:   Jan 15, 2013 - 8:06 PM   
 By:   Tom Servo   (Member)

I enjoy "Hoosiers." This new CD is unusual for me, in that I don't think the expansion hurts it or helps it. It's pretty much the same for me -- the new cues don't add much, but they don't detract, either.

What I noticed again is just how sloppy the orchestra's performance is. The horns especially play quite terribly. I'm sure it drove Goldsmith batty.


SchiffyM -- I've got the original CD and always wondered about the orchestra. I've heard conflicting accounts of where it was recorded. Does the Intrada booklet say where and/or who the soloists were...?


It was recorded in Hungary, this is indeed mentioned in the liner notes...

 
 Posted:   Jan 15, 2013 - 9:41 PM   
 By:   CindyLover   (Member)

It was recorded in Hungary, this is indeed mentioned in the liner notes...

This was in his Hungarian era? I did not know that.

 
 Posted:   Jan 16, 2013 - 12:20 AM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

Which tracks specifically? I don't really have the ear you do, but I would like to know more.

Off the top of my head (I just confirmed this, but I have not refreshed by listening to the entire score), listen to "The Pivot" around the two minute mark.

This is just one example, but it was the first one I thought of.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 16, 2013 - 4:32 AM   
 By:   Vermithrax Pejorative   (Member)

I think the strained playing adds to the charm somewhat, in the same way CONAN THE BARBARIAN and BATTLE BEYOND THE STARS sound quite unique, due to the effort being made by the players to perform such well written music, probably without much practice time.
I like it!

 
 Posted:   Jan 16, 2013 - 5:33 AM   
 By:   Mr Drive   (Member)

Good point. I think on Conan the Barbarian the raw performance of the orchestra & choir is spot on, fitting with the rest of that film's style (storytelling, photography, thespian performance...)

But I wonder. If Goldsmith was already dissatisfied in '86, why did he come back? Did he think the playing wouldn't be heard under Lionheart's heavy synths? Did he think Island's lyricism would be a better fit with the orchestras European sensibility? What about Rambo? Was it all just about the budget?

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 16, 2013 - 6:01 AM   
 By:   Vermithrax Pejorative   (Member)

>>>>>>Good point. I think on Conan the Barbarian the raw performance of the orchestra & choir is spot on, fitting with the rest of that film's style (storytelling, photography, thespian performance...)>>>>>>>

Haha! I've never thought about it that way, but that's an even better point! smile

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 16, 2013 - 8:36 AM   
 By:   Dan Hobgood   (Member)

I'm sure it was all about the budget. But pride may have come to play a part. Botnick has said that Jerry really believed he could "get it right" with some of these lesser orchestras he worked with in the 80's. Alas, it was a losing battle.

To be fair, I think the Hungary orchestra sounded its best on Hoosiers.

Dan

 
 Posted:   Jan 16, 2013 - 9:09 AM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

I'm sure Dan is right about the budget. Sometimes, you don't get everything you want.

As for sloppy playing being endearing sometimes, I do get that to a point. Sometimes, scores are so polished (especially with today's digital fixes) that they seem untouched by human hands. Still, some of the botched notes on "Hoosiers" make me cringe.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 16, 2013 - 12:35 PM   
 By:   Taylor Fenno   (Member)

Which tracks specifically? I don't really have the ear you do, but I would like to know more.

Off the top of my head (I just confirmed this, but I have not refreshed by listening to the entire score), listen to "The Pivot" around the two minute mark.

This is just one example, but it was the first one I thought of.


OMG!! You are so right. I hear it now. That's actually pretty bad. It sounds like a squeaky toy or something...lol

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 25, 2013 - 9:32 AM   
 By:   Marlene   (Member)

After listening very happily to Congo I´ve just started with Hoosiers. Boy, this is what I call 'remastered'! And many people know how critical I can be... the sound quality is stunning. Perhaps a bit too much on the aggressive side but still: spectacular! The metallic sound is almost gone. Very nice.

My original CD has been turned into a frisbee the minute I played this version by Intrada.

 
 Posted:   Jan 25, 2013 - 10:16 AM   
 By:   other tallguy   (Member)

After listening very happily to Congo I´ve just started with Hoosiers. Boy, this is what I call 'remastered'! And many people know how critical I can be... the sound quality is stunning. Perhaps a bit too much on the aggressive side but still: spectacular! The metallic sound is almost gone. Very nice.

My original CD has been turned into a frisbee the minute I played this version by Intrada.


So does this mean we're waiting for Rudy now?

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 20, 2013 - 10:07 AM   
 By:   dpsternan   (Member)

Finally had a chance to give a good, thorough listen to my Hoosiers CD. What a wonderful score! Just a few themes, but man are they strong.

Now - all I can hope for is a complete, remastered score to Rudy - one of Jerry's finest.

 
 Posted:   Mar 15, 2014 - 7:51 AM   
 By:   Juanki   (Member)

I own the original release, it is worthy the update?

 
 Posted:   Mar 15, 2014 - 8:15 AM   
 By:   Maleficio   (Member)

I own the original release, it is worthy the update?

Yes.

 
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