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 Posted:   Aug 2, 2013 - 4:05 AM   
 By:   OnlyGoodMusic   (Member)

I'll include the scores for Mighty Joe Young ... - and what about the Japanese giant apes?

1. Steiner
2. Webb
3. Howard
4. Scott
5. Horner
...
...
457. Barry


So, I'm guessing Barry is at the bottom of your list, Hmmmmmmm? So who are the 451 other composers of the 457 giant ape movies made? eh?, smart-ass. razz


All the Japanese monster movies with stuntmen in ape costumes, plus all the porn movies featuring men in ape costumes.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 2, 2013 - 5:19 AM   
 By:   Kari Tuhkanen   (Member)

I'm well aware of it's historical significance but Steiner's score does very little for me, it's not that I don't like it and there are a number of Steiner scores I love but this is not one of them, it's just never touched me in any way.

I guess I'm a philistine.


Nah, we all just love different things and every now and then tastes converge, which is great. For me, much of the psychology of art has to do with early experiences and feelings, "that golden glow of childhood" as Philip Jose Farmer put it, and as adults we try to repeat those sensations through art.

Maybe you should try to immerse yourself to your inner ape man, Timmer, to shed the veneer of civilisation off as great Edgar Rice Burroughs once said. wink Kreegah, bundolo... kagoda!

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 2, 2013 - 5:44 AM   
 By:   Timmer   (Member)

big grin

My idea of "primitive" scoring is in the likes of Mario Nascimbene's brilliant ONE MILLION YEARS B.C. or Philippe Sarde's equally stupendous QUEST FOR FIRE, those are the scores that transport me to Dinosaurs and cavemen.

I should point out that I adore the 1933 KING KONG film and I have no problem with Steiner's score in context.

 
 Posted:   Aug 2, 2013 - 9:16 AM   
 By:   Peter Greenhill   (Member)

delete

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 2, 2013 - 9:39 AM   
 By:   follow me   (Member)


All the Japanese monster movies with stuntmen in ape costumes, plus all the porn movies featuring men in ape costumes.


You really must have seen a vast amount of porn movies!

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 2, 2013 - 10:12 AM   
 By:   Kari Tuhkanen   (Member)

I don´t think it´s so much the style of the music that makes Steiner´s score so primal to me, rather than how it works integrally together with the unforgettable images on the screen. It´s still one of the most perfect examples of the marriage of music and picture, an organic whole from the start. Having said that, I enjoy the music tremendously on its own as well. There´s something magical about it.

 
 Posted:   Aug 2, 2013 - 11:11 AM   
 By:   OnlyGoodMusic   (Member)

You really must have seen a vast amount of porn movies!

Sure.

"Joey: Hey, I am secure with my masculinity.
Phoebe: Oh, whatever!
Joey: You’ve seen my huge stack of porn, right?"

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 2, 2013 - 11:32 AM   
 By:   John Bender   (Member)

"Steiner, definitely. The Barry score, in comparison, is trashy at best." / response: Barry, definitely. The Steiner score, in comparison, is corny at best. / And when I saw Barry's music being referred to as "trash" by someone hiding behind "LoveRozsa" a simple phrase stood out in my mind - "Funny that!"

 
 Posted:   Aug 2, 2013 - 11:52 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

I'll include the scores for Mighty Joe Young ... - and what about the Japanese giant apes?

1. Steiner
2. Webb
3. Howard
4. Scott
5. Horner
...
...
457. Barry


So, I'm guessing Barry is at the bottom of your list, Hmmmmmmm? So who are the 451 other composers of the 457 giant ape movies made? eh?, smart-ass. razz


All the Japanese monster movies with stuntmen in ape costumes, plus all the porn movies featuring men in ape costumes.


Including this one?




 
 Posted:   Aug 2, 2013 - 11:53 AM   
 By:   OnlyGoodMusic   (Member)

"Steiner, definitely. The Barry score, in comparison, is trashy at best." / response: Barry, definitely. The Steiner score, in comparison, is corny at best. / And when I saw Barry's music being referred to as "trash" by someone hiding behind "LoveRozsa" a simple phrase stood out in my mind - "Funny that!"

Now, THAT was a stupid statement.

The remarkable thing about Steiner's KONG is that after 80 years, and being one of the defining scores in cinema history, it is stunningly NON-CORNY (UN-CORNY?) when compared to many much later scores (Kong or non-Kong).

 
 Posted:   Aug 2, 2013 - 11:55 AM   
 By:   OnlyGoodMusic   (Member)

Including this one?



Exactly. It's a still from MOTHRA MEETS THE MEDIUM-BREASTED NIECE OF KONG'S GREAT-AUNT.

 
 Posted:   Aug 2, 2013 - 4:33 PM   
 By:   davel   (Member)

Steiner's is the classic, for sure. And utterly brilliant. I know team Stromberg wanted to make another, even more definitive recording — and I hope that will still happen.

But my favourite is the Barry. It's more subtle and sublime, IMO. It has gorgeous theme, it's got a wonderful 'mood' and mystery about it as well as some lucid, musical dramatic set pieces.


I concur.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 2, 2013 - 5:19 PM   
 By:   Timmer   (Member)

"Steiner, definitely. The Barry score, in comparison, is trashy at best." / response: Barry, definitely. The Steiner score, in comparison, is corny at best. / And when I saw Barry's music being referred to as "trash" by someone hiding behind "LoveRozsa" a simple phrase stood out in my mind - "Funny that!"

Well said John.

 
 Posted:   Aug 3, 2013 - 2:16 AM   
 By:   Stephen Woolston   (Member)

Y'know, I'm not precious about what everybody likes and doesn't. It's a diverse world and we all like different things.

But I do find some of the 'cheap shots' fired at popular scores puzzling, especially when those scores clearly got something going for them because they have so many fans.

It's like: it's not enough for you to have a preference, but to get your kicks you also have to tell people you think their opinions are worthless.

Unfortunately, the internet attracts that kind of person.

By the way, I know for a fact John doesn't really think the Steiner is corny, he's just making a point about cheap shots, belittlement and a bit of 'how do you like a taste of your own medicine'.

Cheers

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 3, 2013 - 3:32 AM   
 By:   Timmer   (Member)

I don't know if John's British but he should be. wink

 
 Posted:   Aug 3, 2013 - 6:06 AM   
 By:   Loren   (Member)

I own a big deal of Kong scores (Steiner, JNH, Scott, Barry) and my favourite remains Mighty Joe Young by Mighty Joe Horner.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 3, 2013 - 7:37 AM   
 By:   follow me   (Member)

You really must have seen a vast amount of porn movies!

Sure.



And ALL with better music than that of my favourite composer John Barry! I must have missed tons of excellent (film-) porn-music! But maybe you just got too ecstatic from watching those films and the screaming there...and misinterpreted this as good music? big grin

 
 Posted:   Aug 3, 2013 - 7:42 AM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

Y'know, I'm not precious about what everybody likes and doesn't. It's a diverse world and we all like different things.

But I do find some of the 'cheap shots' fired at popular scores puzzling, especially when those scores clearly got something going for them because they have so many fans.

It's like: it's not enough for you to have a preference, but to get your kicks you also have to tell people you think their opinions are worthless.

Unfortunately, the internet attracts that kind of person.

By the way, I know for a fact John doesn't really think the Steiner is corny, he's just making a point about cheap shots, belittlement and a bit of 'how do you like a taste of your own medicine'.

Cheers



Well said.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 4, 2013 - 1:30 PM   
 By:   John Bender   (Member)

"By the way, I know for a fact John doesn't really think Steiner is corny, he's just making a point about cheap shots, belittlement and a bit of 'how do you like a taste of your own medicine'." / PRECISELY - and thank you Stephen. I am not a Steiner fan - but that is my shameful problem, not The Maestro's. My quirks of taste aside - and aside is where such things belong - the fact remains that Steiner was a great genius and I am barely worthy to speak his name. Obviously there are some here who need to develop the same degree of respect for magnificent artists whose work they do not enjoy. Art is a privilege, not a right. If you are capable of connecting with, understanding and/or appreciating the works of a particular artist, then by all means express yourself with abandon. Otherwise tread softly and watch your mouth.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 4, 2013 - 1:50 PM   
 By:   John Bender   (Member)

I'll include the scores for Mighty Joe Young ... - and what about the Japanese giant apes?

1. Steiner
2. Webb
3. Howard
4. Scott
5. Horner
...
...
457. Barry


So, I'm guessing Barry is at the bottom of your list, Hmmmmmmm? So who are the 451 other composers of the 457 giant ape movies made? eh?, smart-ass. razz


All the Japanese monster movies with stuntmen in ape costumes, plus all the porn movies featuring men in ape costumes.


Including this one?



She is a pretty girl but her nipples are odd.

 
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