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People may not be aware, but the scoring of this film must have been a nightmare for Elfman with the amount of rewrites and rerecording he had to do. You might catch a hint of this just looking at the track list. A natural side effect is the elements were massive. Yet, we mixed everything we had, which was a ton when you consider all the early rehearsals, partial takes, etc. The cues in the album program that are in not in the unedited program were simply not on the unmixed reels. They were only to be found in the already assembled program. No idea where the unedited sessions for those went. You know have what we have. Perhaps there's a secret stash of other elements somewhere. But for now, we didn't hold anything back.
Wow awesome response Roger, thanks for chiming in! Explains a lot, for sure!
Out of curiosity, did you guys ever consider having Disc 1 be only the OST and Disc 2 be only the Unedited Cues program, instead of breaking up the Unedited Cues program into two chunks and spreading it over both discs?
Most likely the scope of the project originally planned for the unedited program to exceed the length of 2-CDs and to prevent it from spilling onto a third CD, the unedited program was mapped to encroach on the first disc. Probably the unedited program ended up shorter than expected, but the discs were not remapped. I'm actually surprised that this became such a big issue.
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Most likely the scope of the project originally planned for the unedited program to exceed the length of 2-CDs and to prevent it from spilling onto a third CD, the unedited program was mapped to encroach on the first disc. Probably the unedited program ended up shorter than expected, but the discs were not remapped. I'm actually surprised that this became such a big issue.
Makes perfect sense about how it happened, yes! Thank you once again sir!
I'm not sure why you are surprised about the response, though. I mean for one, film score fans will complain about anything  But for another, you posted a response when the same reaction occurred when the complete score to The Rocketeer was split over 2 discs when it would have fit on one. In the end, it is a trivial matter, of course.
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The cues in the album program that are in not in the unedited program were simply not on the unmixed reels. They were only to be found in the already assembled program. No idea where the unedited sessions for those went. You know have what we have. Perhaps there's a secret stash of other elements somewhere. But for now, we didn't hold anything back.
The notes say "We commissioned Dennis Sands, the veteran engineer who helmed those original scoring sessions, to completely remix the entire score... including unedited versions of the 1990 album selections"
That was the hope, but not everything was there as intended.
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Most likely the scope of the project originally planned for the unedited program to exceed the length of 2-CDs and to prevent it from spilling onto a third CD, the unedited program was mapped to encroach on the first disc. Probably the unedited program ended up shorter than expected, but the discs were not remapped. I'm actually surprised that this became such a big issue.
Makes perfect sense about how it happened, yes! Thank you once again sir!
I'm not sure why you are surprised about the response, though. I mean for one, film score fans will complain about anything But for another, you posted a response when the same reaction occured when the complete score to The Rocketeer was split over 2 discs when it would have fit on one.
That was an artistic case though in terms of rejiggering the program. I thought.
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Sure, you guys felt Horner's work was better represented by having the source music and love theme arrangement appear within the main program instead of afterward as bonus tracks. The majority of fans though - at least those that commented one way or another on the issue - would have preferred the songs be moved out of the program and placed as bonus tracks on Disc 2, so Disc 1 could contain Horner's complete score without interruption. In the end, its a trivial matter, of course - just like the Dick Tracy situation. We're all capable of making playlists in our digital listening device of choice and/or burning CDRs with just the scores on a single disc, etc.
Anyway, thanks again for posting here, it's always welcome and appreciated!
I can't wait to see what titles Intrada has left to end the year!!!
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Sure, you guys felt Horner's work was better represented by having the source music and love theme arrangement appear within the main program instead of afterward as bonus tracks. The majority of fans though - at least those that commented one way or another on the issue - would have preferred the songs be moved out of the program and placed as bonus tracks on Disc 2, so Disc 1 could contain Horner's complete score without interruption. In the end, its a trivial matter, of course - just like the Dick Tracy situation. We're all capable of making playlists in our digital listening device of choice and/or burning CDRs with just the scores on a single disc, etc.
Anyway, thanks again for posting here, it's always welcome and appreciated!
I can't wait to see what titles Intrada has left to end the year!!!
I don't believe we'd agree on the definition of "majority of fans." Mostly the vocal comments on this forum are outliers.
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I don't believe we'd agree on the definition of "majority of fans." Mostly the vocal comments on this forum are outliers.
Hmm, you really think so? I really think if you could poll every customer who purchased the Rocketeer set, the majority would have favored moving the songs to Disc 2 in order to to fit the complete score on one disc.
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Ugh, it's always so gross when someone comes on here from a label after all of the complaints, then those same people get all overly friendly. But yes, Roger's the best and we all love him the most.
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Well, what is there to complain about?
-The complete score wasn't found in the archives they had access to, which explains why some music is only in the album program and not the unedited cues program.
-The unedited cues program is spread over 2 discs because they thought those missing cues WOULD be found, in which case the unedited cues program would be over 80 minutes and therefore would of had to have started on Disc 1 had they been found. Rejiggering the discs breakdown after they learned the missing cues wouldn't turn up would have been nice, sure, but seems to be more of an oversight than a continuation of a new trend
-He made an artistic decision with The Rocketeer that he stands by to this day despite vocal opposition
Life is to short to be mad about film score catalog release minutia!
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Since getting The Rocketeer set, I've probably listened to the score 30 times, and those songs twice.
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I don't think Horner did a bad job with either song at all, not even close - they're lovely!
I simply don't want to hear them in the middle of the complete score presentation. Really breaks up the drive and flow of his brilliant score
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