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 Posted:   Jul 20, 2017 - 7:12 PM   
 By:   msmith   (Member)



Mainstream stats are about as relevant to soundtrack sales as they've ever been. That is, not very. Ask each soundtrack label for the truth about this niche market. EVERY SOUNDTRACK LABEL OUT THERE is figuring out how to keep the doors open and each one is going their own way. If you haven't seen deeply dramatic changes in all their release patterns and productivity then you are not paying attention. Stylotone is doing it their way and it isn't a model for anybody else. But if it works we should support it. We should support them all as long as they manage to keep delivering what we want. All this is finite.



So true. "Times are a changin'".

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 21, 2017 - 7:35 AM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

When Hitchcock's PSYCHO was released on blu-ray in 2010, it included a special feature showing how they created an optional 5.1 audio mix:
"Psycho Sound: A never-before-seen piece that looks at the re-mastering process required to create a 5.1 mix from the original mono elements using Audionamix technology."
It implies they had the music recording (original or stem). Or did they just use the movie audio since the music often played when dialog was absent?

 
 Posted:   Jul 21, 2017 - 9:02 AM   
 By:   Sean Nethery   (Member)

For the umpteenth time the CD market is shrinking. Every label out there are selling less and less CDs every year....

I made a thread about this report from BuzzAngle on music consumption so far in 2017. Here's the summary on sales.

In the first six months of 2017, album sales were down 14 percent compared to the same period in 2016 - 74 million in 2017, vs 86 million in 2016. But most of this is because of digital behavior moving from purchasing to streaming (which is way up): digital albums were down 24%, CDs down 2%, and vinyl albums up 20%.

CDs accounted for 53% of sales, digital albums 46% and vinyl 5%. Vinyl may be having some niche success, but it isn't much of a factor overall.

Here's the full report: http://www.buzzanglemusic.com/us-2017-ytd-report/


Mainstream stats are about as relevant to soundtrack sales as they've ever been. That is, not very. Ask each soundtrack label for the truth about this niche market. EVERY SOUNDTRACK LABEL OUT THERE is figuring out how to keep the doors open and each one is going their own way. If you haven't seen deeply dramatic changes in all their release patterns and productivity then you are not paying attention. Stylotone is doing it their way and it isn't a model for anybody else. But if it works we should support it. We should support them all as long as they manage to keep delivering what we want. All this is finite.


Here is what we know: vinyl is a tiny percentage of the overall sales market. And just based on the number of vinyl release this year from ANY soundtrack label (or any time in the last five years), it is also a tiny percentage of sales in our niche. Otherwise we would be seeing a growing number of vinyl releases overall. That is my point.

I have no issue at all with anything any label does, and wish them all well. And I have no opinion about this release on vinyl or CD or cassette or bubblegum cards. That's why I haven't posted till now. But what is true of the mainstream stats in terms of CDs vs. vinyl and their relative market share and penetration is clearly true of our niche as well.

 
 Posted:   Jul 21, 2017 - 9:15 AM   
 By:   Sean Nethery   (Member)

For the umpteenth time the CD market is shrinking. Every label out there are selling less and less CDs every year....

I made a thread about this report from BuzzAngle on music consumption so far in 2017. Here's the summary on sales.

In the first six months of 2017, album sales were down 14 percent compared to the same period in 2016 - 74 million in 2017, vs 86 million in 2016. But most of this is because of digital behavior moving from purchasing to streaming (which is way up): digital albums were down 24%, CDs down 2%, and vinyl albums up 20%.

CDs accounted for 53% of sales, digital albums 46% and vinyl 5%. Vinyl may be having some niche success, but it isn't much of a factor overall.

Here's the full report: http://www.buzzanglemusic.com/us-2017-ytd-report/


PS - I made a mistake in quoting the report (which is all infographics): I missed that vinyl is NOT 5% of album sales - it's 5% of PHYSICAL album sales (meaning along with CDs). So here are the actual quotes from the report:

"Digital album sales accounted for 46.6% of all album sales in 2017 YTD, down from 53.0% over 2016 YTD.

"Physical album sales accounted for 53.4% of all album sales in 2017 YTD, up from 46.9% over 2016 YTD.

"Vinyl albums accounted for 4.9% of all physical album sales, up from 3.5% in 2016 YTD."

So vinyl accounts for less than 3% of total album sales (digital plus physical).

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 21, 2017 - 10:50 AM   
 By:   Morricone   (Member)

DP

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 21, 2017 - 10:53 AM   
 By:   Morricone   (Member)



Here is what we know: vinyl is a tiny percentage of the overall sales market. And just based on the number of vinyl release this year from ANY soundtrack label (or any time in the last five years), it is also a tiny percentage of sales in our niche. Otherwise we would be seeing a growing number of vinyl releases overall. That is my point.

I have no issue at all with anything any label does, and wish them all well. And I have no opinion about this release on vinyl or CD or cassette or bubblegum cards. That's why I haven't posted till now. But what is true of the mainstream stats in terms of CDs vs. vinyl and their relative market share and penetration is clearly true of our niche as well.


Not really. Before I throw in the towel let me put it one more way. The soundtrack CD market is so extremely tiny now, way tinier than those tiny vinyl stats you keep referring to, that it practically isn't a market anymore. You and I buying CDs are no longer enough, like in previous years, because there are WAY less of us now. I won't get into how each soundtrack label is doing this but they are all looking to alternative financing for their projects. You bringing these particular mainstream stats here "sounds" like you are disapproving the Stylotone approach. At this stage there is no wrong way. Part of the "boom" in vinyl in their niche has to do with them overcharging for it. I am not happy about it but it has been successful for quite a few years now. So Stylotone has found a way to finance their projects using a successful vinyl company. More power to them. And thanks to them for insisting a CD be included because vinyl companies would really rather not have them at all (at the same time insisting no one else use their expensive remaster in any other medium).

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 21, 2017 - 10:57 AM   
 By:   .   (Member)

I would rather buy a Stylophone and play my own rendition of Psycho, than buy a Stylotone vinyl version of it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTOSXc4su8c

 
 Posted:   Jul 21, 2017 - 12:37 PM   
 By:   Stefan Huber   (Member)

One wonders if the quick sell out of the 45 is part of Stylotone's marketing strategy: obviously "Twisted Nerve" didn't perform as fast and as good as expected. When "Marnie" and "Psycho" finally get their long overdue complete releases, people may act faster because they are in fear that they might lose out - irregardless of the prices being asked for them. This strategy at least worked well in the golden days of the Varese Club and with the early Intrada Special Collection releases...

 
 Posted:   Jul 21, 2017 - 12:43 PM   
 By:   Sean Nethery   (Member)

Morricone, you can take me at my word.

I absolutely do not disapprove of anything any label does, never have. I only want to provide some factual information when some people overestimate the importance of a format that is not going to be determinative of the future for music sales.

I am posting data here because there is a lot of talk generally about how vinyl seems to be growing. I think the data shows that whatever growth there is, vinyl remains a tiny part of the music business, and CD is the dominant form for physical releases.

I am NOT saying that you have said vinyl is taking over CDs, I'm not really arguing with your points at all. But I'm wearying of people thinking vinyl is bigger than it is, especially since it is becoming part of the boutique soundtrack market overall (which of course is already so tiny that adding in tiny vinyl might seem a threat to those who want CDs only). So in other words, I'm just taking an opportunity in this thread to make this point.

And by the way - a market can be small, even tiny, and still be a market. The internet has made that more possible than ever. How long it can last is another question. But there have been far too many releases this year (including this one) to claim there is no market.

 
 Posted:   Jul 21, 2017 - 2:33 PM   
 By:   Doug Raynes   (Member)

When Hitchcock's PSYCHO was released on blu-ray in 2010, it included a special feature showing how they created an optional 5.1 audio mix:
"Psycho Sound: A never-before-seen piece that looks at the re-mastering process required to create a 5.1 mix from the original mono elements using Audionamix technology."
It implies they had the music recording (original or stem). Or did they just use the movie audio since the music often played when dialog was absent?


They used the combined music, effects and dialogue audio track to create the 5.1 mix. As says here:

"For the 50th Anniversary collector’s edition on Blu-ray, Universal Home Entertainment was hoping to release a surround sound version of the iconic title. The only available elements at hand were mono dialogue, music and effects composites. BluWave Audio needed separate instrument stems for the music.

Using Stem Creation services, Audionamix provided BluWave Audio with individual instruments for Psycho’s complete music score. The BluWave/ADX collaboration merited its own bonus section on the Blu-ray release and the film was selected for a special screening at the Cannes Film Festival."

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 21, 2017 - 3:14 PM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

When Hitchcock's PSYCHO was released on blu-ray in 2010, it included a special feature showing how they created an optional 5.1 audio mix:
"Psycho Sound: A never-before-seen piece that looks at the re-mastering process required to create a 5.1 mix from the original mono elements using Audionamix technology."
It implies they had the music recording (original or stem). Or did they just use the movie audio since the music often played when dialog was absent?


They used the combined music, effects and dialogue audio track to create the 5.1 mix. As says here:

"For the 50th Anniversary collector’s edition on Blu-ray, Universal Home Entertainment was hoping to release a surround sound version of the iconic title. The only available elements at hand were mono dialogue, music and effects composites. BluWave Audio needed separate instrument stems for the music.

Using Stem Creation services, Audionamix provided BluWave Audio with individual instruments for Psycho’s complete music score. The BluWave/ADX collaboration merited its own bonus section on the Blu-ray release and the film was selected for a special screening at the Cannes Film Festival."


Thanks. One wonders if this "Stem Creation" software/equipment could make music-only stems from any movie audio.....

 
 Posted:   Jul 22, 2017 - 2:31 AM   
 By:   DeviantMan   (Member)

Stem Creation Research?

Will wonders never cease?

Now if only Stylotone would satisfy those who just want this great music on CD.

 
 Posted:   Jul 22, 2017 - 4:47 AM   
 By:   Stephen Woolston   (Member)

Stem creation has a long way to go. Have you actually heard the score extracted from the stem? There's a demo of it on the Blu-Ray. It sounds HORRIBLE. But probably good enough to create an unwelcome stereo mix when the dialogue and effects are added back in again.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 22, 2017 - 9:11 AM   
 By:   blue15   (Member)

The PSYCHO 7" single is available again from Stylotone:

https://store.stylotone.com/

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 22, 2017 - 10:54 AM   
 By:   PFK   (Member)

The PSYCHO 7" single is available again from Stylotone:

https://store.stylotone.com/




When will the CD be available? smile

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 22, 2017 - 11:16 AM   
 By:   blue15   (Member)

The PSYCHO 7" single is available again from Stylotone:

https://store.stylotone.com/




When will the CD be available? smile


Presumably included with the forthcoming lp package.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 5, 2020 - 8:32 PM   
 By:   Stephen Pickard   (Member)

I'm having this discussion about PSYCHO on facebook and I challenged someone with regard to the authenticity of the Stylotone release. I agreed that it was the original performance but expressed it was the slate that I thought was freshly recorded to give the impression that it was from the raw sessions which I disputed.
I also noted that on the single release at the tail of the main title that there are a several bars that I suspect that, for whatever reason, the main title had to be extended, by a music editor in 1960, because of a revision to the picture titles after the music sessions had been completed. All re-recordings that I've heard omit these final repeated bars, assuming that the conductor of the newer recordings is using the original manuscript. Would this not indicate that the re-recordings of the main title represent how the original recording was done and that the repeated bars were added from the end of the existing recording and tagged on the end?
The only way to know for sure is to examine the score to see how the end of the main title is written. If those extra bars are not there it might prove that the stylotone single is not the raw session master but taken from the three-track mono master.
Is there anybody here that can read music and has access to the main title 'manuscript' that might solve this mystery?

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 5, 2020 - 11:05 PM   
 By:   JB Fan   (Member)

I don't own Stylotone single.

But here's final bars from Prelude (I compare it with handwritten manuscript - it's completely identical)

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 6, 2020 - 3:47 AM   
 By:   Stephen Pickard   (Member)

Thanks.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 6, 2020 - 5:08 AM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

So what was the conclusion drawn in this question & answer?

 
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